This is exactly why I ask. One review says Butcher's are squirrelly and wear fast and another says the opposite. The Clutch has faired a little better with consistent reviews, but I can't figure if it's better as a front or a rear. Lean toward Butcher SX front and Clutch SX rear, but would like to know if anyone running this.I must admit, it's hard to determine which tires are designed for which conditions among the Butcher, Clutch, and Chunder. Add to that which rolls the fastest. The more reviews you read, the more confusing it becomes...
i'm running a butcher control fr and clutch control rr on my trail bike. i definitely like the butcher over the clutch as a fr tire - better cornering, more predictable. the clutch on the rr works great, but i haven't run the butcher in the rr so i can't compare.This is exactly why I ask. One review says Butcher's are squirrelly and wear fast and another says the opposite. The Clutch has faired a little better with consistent reviews, but I can't figure if it's better as a front or a rear. Lean toward Butcher SX front and Clutch SX rear, but would like to know if anyone running this.
Well the Chunder is discontinued, so that should reduce the confusion somewhat. Otherwise, keep in mind that the Butcher, Clutch, and Chunder were not developed to cover different conditions. They were designed as successions of each other, not compliments to each other.I must admit, it's hard to determine which tires are designed for which conditions among the Butcher, Clutch, and Chunder. Add to that which rolls the fastest. The more reviews you read, the more confusing it becomes...
Neither tire is designed as front or rear. I can't think of any good reason to mix and match. If you prefer one tire due to your riding style, I'd rock it front and rear.This is exactly why I ask. One review says Butcher's are squirrelly and wear fast and another says the opposite. The Clutch has faired a little better with consistent reviews, but I can't figure if it's better as a front or a rear. Lean toward Butcher SX front and Clutch SX rear, but would like to know if anyone running this.
what he said.Well the Chunder is discontinued, so that should reduce the confusion somewhat. Otherwise, keep in mind that the Butcher, Clutch, and Chunder were not developed to cover different conditions. They were designed as successions of each other, not compliments to each other.
The Clutch was designed as a true do-it-all DH tire. It has some features of a faster race oriented tire, and some features from trail tires. It tends to do well in a variety of conditions, while sacrificing some performance compared to a dedicated condition tire.
The Butcher was developed to be a race tire first and foremost. It's meant to be ridden fast. We didn't put in the same features that make the Clutch a little better at slow/techy stuff.
So I consider them to be less about the conditions, and more about your riding style...
Neither tire is designed as front or rear. I can't think of any good reason to mix and match. If you prefer one tire due to your riding style, I'd rock it front and rear.
I enjoy riding in loose conditions, and prefer going out after a over night rain shower. That is one reason I loved the Rubber Queen on the AM bike. All my riding will not take place at a resort with well maintained berms, so some off camber stuff is a concern. One of my riding destinations this summer is very rocky and technical.what he said.
The clutch rolls slower then the butcher, and its got a slightly mushier edge then the butcher. Grips pretty damn well though, and the sidewalls are great. I'd go with the butcher if you're confident about corners, and the clutch if you have a harder time trusting your tires grips, like if you're in lose conditions.
I have very little mud experience with them though.
Where's the 60d burly (IE sx) tubeless butcher?Well the Chunder is discontinued, so that should reduce the confusion somewhat. Otherwise, keep in mind that the Butcher, Clutch, and Chunder were not developed to cover different conditions. They were designed as successions of each other, not compliments to each other.
The Clutch was designed as a true do-it-all DH tire. It has some features of a faster race oriented tire, and some features from trail tires. It tends to do well in a variety of conditions, while sacrificing some performance compared to a dedicated condition tire.
The Butcher was developed to be a race tire first and foremost. It's meant to be ridden fast. We didn't put in the same features that make the Clutch a little better at slow/techy stuff.
So I consider them to be less about the conditions, and more about your riding style...
Neither tire is designed as front or rear. I can't think of any good reason to mix and match. If you prefer one tire due to your riding style, I'd rock it front and rear.
So this is pretty cool. A new-to-me international magazine about downhilling. Free to download! I can forgive the somewhat strained translated English because the Germans do such great testing. Here's the RR chart:Not the SX versions, but a real rolling resistance test here:
http://mag41.com/issues/issue-one-int/
I agree, other than the part about conditions. The Clutch has some pretty thick sideknobs, which tend to give a ton of support on harder pack terrain but don't dig in quite as well in loose dusty conditions. The Butcher has slightly thinner and longer sideknobs which dig in very well in loose stuff but can feel squirmy if you are railing hardpack berms all day.what he said.
The clutch rolls slower then the butcher, and its got a slightly mushier edge then the butcher. Grips pretty damn well though, and the sidewalls are great. I'd go with the butcher if you're confident about corners, and the clutch if you have a harder time trusting your tires grips, like if you're in lose conditions.
I have very little mud experience with them though.
seconded. I'm sure you Specialized guys are getting tired of my emails asking for them...Where's the 60d burly (IE sx) tubeless butcher?
I agree.I agree, other than the part about conditions. The Clutch has some pretty thick sideknobs, which tend to give a ton of support on harder pack terrain but don't dig in quite as well in loose dusty conditions. The Butcher has slightly thinner and longer sideknobs which dig in very well in loose stuff but can feel squirmy if you are railing hardpack berms all day.
The differences are HUGE. Dh version is far better, rolls much faster and lasts much longer.Keep in mind that the DH and SX versions have applied different rubber compounds, so they will probably feel pretty different.
DH version, yes. SX version, NO.The clutch rolls slower then the butcher,
I read your thread about the issues. I'm not ready to commit to a full DH tire quite yet even though I probably should at my weight. We'll have to see what transpiresI agree.
I have had both Butcher and Clutch SX tires. I'd NEVER use the Butcher SX on the rear, the sideknobs are way too soft, they fold over and wear super fast. In fact, I started a thread asking of there was something wrong with the Butcher SX's rubber compound. The Clutch SX makes for a much better rear tire than the Butcher, although I'd try the Butcher on the front.
IMO the DH version of the Butcher is FAR superior to the SX version because it is supported by a 70a baselayer, I run the Butcher DH front and back on my dh bike and they are the best overall dh tire I have ever used.
Better version here - click for big!So this is pretty cool. A new-to-me international magazine about downhilling. Free to download! I can forgive the somewhat strained translated English because the Germans do such great testing. Here's the RR chart:
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PS - Would have been better if they called it Mag 21!