The 2005 specializeds are on the specialized site here ya go and they look sweet, i hope this isnt a repeat though
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3300 for the demo 9 frame, 2800 for the demo 8? Yeah, good luck with that.
If anyone from specialized is reading this........ I would have liked to own another one of your bikes next season but apparently they only fit inside of hummers.
If anyone from specialized is reading this........ I would have liked to own another one of your bikes next season but apparently they only fit inside of hummers.
ya, the bikes look great, but i hate that they seem to be cgetting rid of middle of the price range frreride/downhill bikes, the cheapest real bike like that is the $2200 big hit, then it goes down to the bighit spec.....what happened to a the big hit comp? the freeride enduro are pretty nice but i dont think ill ever be able to afford that
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Well...ironhorse for me. Thats just ridiculous. I hope they never completely dump the bighit fsr lineup. If theydo I doubt I would consider a specialized again in those price ranges.
Yes the MSRP is $3,300, but you most likely won't see these bikes for more than 90% of that even initially, which is in this case about $2,999. After a few months the prices will come down even more to maybe 80-85% of MSRP. This is nothing new it happens every year. Companies advertise inflated MSRP's so that when customers go to the local dealer and see a better price they think it's a better deal when in reality the dealer is still making a full margin.Langer said:
Specialized '05 are some of the nicest bikes available as far as construction, spec and the end result (performance), I think the prices will be fair considering that.
here's a nice desktop for you non-haters...
It show more detail than the speccy webpage.
Well the prices for SX, D8, D9 frames are just ridicullus. At least the Demo8 is for once cheaper in Europe.... 2350$ in comparison to 2800$ in the US. Yet the SX is 600$ more expensive than it used to be...
Tell me the headset on the SX trail isn't as cheap as it sounds
Sorry, thats too much $ for a Specialized frame IMO.kidwoo said:
I think the prices are fair. The Demo 8 is only 3800 bucks.
I've been trying to build my SX now for a while now and it's running up to the same price! I love my SX frame but sh!t I could love on a demo8 a lot more!
What do you guys think about the P.3 in all white!
Put some white Halo's on that mug
I agree about the new SX models. Overpriced / Under spec'd and FUGLY
I've been trying to build my SX now for a while now and it's running up to the same price! I love my SX frame but sh!t I could love on a demo8 a lot more!
What do you guys think about the P.3 in all white!
Put some white Halo's on that mug
I agree about the new SX models. Overpriced / Under spec'd and FUGLY
but it would look so nice in your future Hummer!!Brian HCM#1 said:
Same with a 2005 ArmageddonAcadian said:but it would look so nice in your future Hummer!!
kidwoo said:
That's good comedy
2200 for a IH Sunday with rear hub, Thomson seatpost and headset or 3300 for a demo 9 - some many difficult decisions for next year.
I will say that their frame quality/construction does warrent a higher price tag than before.
Specialized is going through a change in image. Highest quality possible seems to be their new game.
Worrying about where a frame is made is SO 1990.
Specialized is going through a change in image. Highest quality possible seems to be their new game.
Worrying about where a frame is made is SO 1990.
The demo also comes with the rear hub (Ringle) and a post and a BB.CBJ said:That's good comedy
2200 for a IH Sunday with rear hub, Thomson seatpost and headset or 3300 for a demo 9 - some many difficult decisions for next year.
That's like saying a 2005 ford model T.Brian HCM#1 said:
I don't see mention of it on their site?Zark said:
Specialized deserves to go under in profit and sales for 2005. I love my 04 SX, but those 05 prices are redicilus at least.
I know that it is my option to buy or not. I am just critisizing stuff...
I dont see any good reason to get a speccy now with these prices....
Can someone explain to me this? How much better is the demo8 to the bighit DH frame in order to justify 100% price increase?
I know that it is my option to buy or not. I am just critisizing stuff...
I dont see any good reason to get a speccy now with these prices....
Can someone explain to me this? How much better is the demo8 to the bighit DH frame in order to justify 100% price increase?
I'll take a stab at it, 24" wheels suck balls for DH(I'll don the flame suit now, the 24" wheel mafia already has a price on my head!). The new design is stiffer, more linear rate, better pedaling. These prices are tough to swallow, but quality costs, regardless of where it was made.math2014 said:
would it make you feel better if the words "Foes" were painted on it?math2014 said:
Zark i agree that where something is made is totally insignificant.
But, Speccy can afford the quality of intense at a much lower price... however she doesnt do it for marketing reasons...and this sucks imho.
But, Speccy can afford the quality of intense at a much lower price... however she doesnt do it for marketing reasons...and this sucks imho.
Speccy quality is MUCH better than Intense in every way. I have two Intense bike, and from welds, fit and finish, warranty, dealer network, the works I say that the price being higher for a Demo than, say an M3, is justified.
That was kind my point.kidwoo said:
I stand corrected bro, i ve only seen a couple of M1s, V10s, Blurs so i cannot comment a lot.Zark said:
From a business point of view, i hate big companies that charge prices that small companies do, they can afford lower costs, it is like microsoft charging 300$ for office XP.
Anyhow, next time i ll see a Tazer FS rider i am gona flame him about my SX.
Thank you for saying what I as a non-intense owner would like to have said. With the way specialized handles its warranty issues these days, coupled with much better designs than they had 4 years ago, I hate to say it, but you're probably right. Specialized knows it too I guess.Zark said:
Just being honest man! They have taken an interesting direction for a big manufacturer by going up against the niche companies, but with better infrastructure and quality and warranty. If it works out or not we will see.kidwoo said:
All I know is I want one of each! :love:
It did actually say the hub was included on their website last year. Go look, they have the 2004 links up. I also called a friend who works at a dealer and he said the new catalog didnt have any mention of the hub either. Another difference is you get a 4way swinger now rather than the 6way of last year. So 600 more for less??? If the demo8 came out first, and then the bigger badder D9 was next then there wouldnt be alot of issue to me other than its still too much $$, but offering less for more $$ dumb.Zark said:
About the actual cost....how much does a worker at the TW factory make copared to US builder? I know location doesnt matter, but the reason they make bike over there is to save $$, and the biggest savings is usually in the difference in wages?? (correct me if im wrong). That usually makes its way down to the end consumer, but it seems in their case they arent passing on any savings.
Personally myself i wont pay that price...even if the Dumbo is the best bike in the world...... I think they are being greedy.
Haha...the dumbo...haha...
IMO your model of SX is very much like a Tazer but w/ less hype and more substance. In the case of companies like Spec. mass producing often means better quality than boutique.math2014 said:
I really think people should wait and see what the bikes are really selling for before freaking out and shunning the big S...
I've always thought specialized bikes delivered less bang for the buck than other companies. Look at the bottom of the line rock hopper compared to a giant iguana or whatever the comparable bike is, on the giant you'll find an upgraded rear derailur, better fork and and a more expensive wheelset for $20 less than the specialized. I can see that their high end bikes may have quality built in but don't try and convince me that their budget models have better quality than any other budget bike from any other company.punkassean said:
Now before I get flamed, I didn't actually look up the specs on the two bikes I mentioned, I may be off and I don't really care. I do know that of the last 3 bikes I bought I compared specialized to other brands at a similar price point and found specialized to be less of a value in the end.
Well, when we're talking about paying a highly skilled CNC machinist vs. some guy with 20 hours of training and a welding torch, there's going to be a big difference in wages. Taiwan workers are getting paid more and more as the years go by, and we're not talking about a doller a day anymore.oly said:
It could very well be that Specialized is having their high end bikes made in Taiwan simply because everything else they're making is being built over there. Frankly, there are a lot of very nice factories over there that they may have access to instead of finding a place to build 'em in the US.
As Sean said, we should wait and see what the bikes actually sell for before damning the big "S".
1st. Spec went with a Swinger 4-way this year because they have proven more reliable (than 6-way) and many people seem to think they feel better. They also spec a Ti spring which adds a few $$$. I agree though that it is hard to justify a "substantial" price increase from last year for basically the same thing (no more/no less).oly said:
2nd. There is a lot more to the big picture than just base level employee wages. A percentage of $ saved by moving production overseas gets absorbed in shipping back to the states etc. Still, I would wager that most of the money is spent on R&D. Engineers don't make $1hr.! Specialized put a ton of thought and research into making one of (if not) the most advanced DH bike available to the public. Of course it cost's a bit more than some other bikes...
If you want a Big Hit, buy the complete bike for $2,200, that's a killer price!If you want a Demo9 buy the complete bike for $4,400. That's only $1,100 more than just the frame and you get an 8" 888, 8" Hayes hydro's, Holzfeller's, Blackspire Dewlie, Mavic/Stout sealed bearing wheels and the rest of a worthy DH build. If the frame prices sound a little inflated, remember they probably don't want to sell you a frame when they could sell you a whole bike.
Bottom line, Spec. '05 is a bad ass line and like other's have said, that comes with a price!
Don't buy it if you don't want to, simple as that
Better to pay that kind of money to a strong stable company, with great customer service, reliable delivery, and killer heat treating.........like Karpiel?Brian HCM#1 said:
All the above points are well put, especially Oly's point.
However, i know the real FINAL euro prices... and you wont be able to get a single euro chopped off these prices... unlike US msrp.
Demo8 is 2360$
SX is 2000$
Frame only i am talking about.
For this money you can get frames with swinger 6way, 5th elys or RC propedal.
And to put it through a different perpective.
Toyota for example makes awesome commercial cars. Suppose they make a supercar like the Enzo or Modena, and they price it up just like a Ferrari... then i would definately choose a Ferrari vs the Toyota.
However, i know the real FINAL euro prices... and you wont be able to get a single euro chopped off these prices... unlike US msrp.
Demo8 is 2360$
SX is 2000$
Frame only i am talking about.
For this money you can get frames with swinger 6way, 5th elys or RC propedal.
And to put it through a different perpective.
Toyota for example makes awesome commercial cars. Suppose they make a supercar like the Enzo or Modena, and they price it up just like a Ferrari... then i would definately choose a Ferrari vs the Toyota.
I am a Toyota guy till the day I die because they make the best all-around vehicles on the market. If Toyota were to make a commercial supercar it would undoubtedly be better (more reliable, better mannered) than a Ferrari. Who has more engineers and $ to do research? I think your example is a good one but I think it proves my point better than yours.
Specialized is like Burton for snowboards, they make the goods and some people just can't bring themselves to own a name brand product. I am not a fan of boutique anything, you pay more for less and typically deal with more warranty issues and worse CS etc, be it Intense, Karpiel, Ellsworth or Ferrari, Lambo, Lotus it's typically the same.
Don't you want quality products from a reputable company???
Specialized is like Burton for snowboards, they make the goods and some people just can't bring themselves to own a name brand product. I am not a fan of boutique anything, you pay more for less and typically deal with more warranty issues and worse CS etc, be it Intense, Karpiel, Ellsworth or Ferrari, Lambo, Lotus it's typically the same.
Don't you want quality products from a reputable company???