[bonky]

Terribly sorry if this has been discussed before but what's the consensus on the Specialized Butcher/Slaughter? I'm looking at a Minion-ish tyre at the front with a semi slick at the back but I can't find the Minion SS in a dual ply version and I'm not a big fan of Schwalbe tyres so this basically leaves only the Spesh offerings.

Point is that I've had a Butcher Control before that I couldn't get on with because of the side knobs folding over on hardpack but I can imagine the DH version being more stable because of the harder inner layer of rubber that the Control lacks (70a base with a 42a top layer vs a single 50a compound) and stiffer sidewalls.

Then again a Minion ST is 42a and I've never had them rolling on me.

Does anyone have experience with both the DH and Control versions? Or the DH one and a Minion?

 

[kidwoo]

You just sliding out on them or actually tearing knobs?

Or more to the point: how do you know they're folding over? They're pretty short on the control ones.

The grids are an option too btw......

 

[landcruiser]

You should definitely look at the Grid versions if you're considering the Butcher/Slaughter combo. The Butcher Grid shares the same rubber as the DH version (though still the shorter knobs). I think you'll find them a lot more stable all around than the Control versions.

Fun fact: The Slaughter shoulder knobs are actually just a little more supported than the Butcher knobs due to a typo gone right.

 

[kidwoo]

Fun fact: The Slaughter shoulder knobs are actually just a little more supported than the Butcher knobs due to a typo gone right.

Yeah speaking of which, you guys need to make some more spelling errors on whatever you do with the butcher next.

Find something that looks like a misspelling of "child cocker too"

 

[iRider]

And while we are at making a wish list: 26" Hillbilly Grid.

 

[StiHacka]

The GRID Slaughter is money. I did not have much luck with the Control casing, GRID rocks in rocks.

 

[landcruiser]

you guys need to

Alas, you'll need to direct your suggestions elsewhere at this point. I can only speak of my designs in the past tense.

 

[kidwoo]

WTF?

You get canned?

 

[dump]

WTF?

You get canned?

Remember what we were saying about the return to marketing, art and legal?

 

[landcruiser]

I like to think of it as an indefinite vacation with infinite new career possibilities. Plus I'm getting more trail rides now.

 

[slyfink]

Alas, you'll need to direct your suggestions elsewhere at this point. I can only speak of my designs in the past tense.

damn dude. that's too bad.

 

[kidwoo]

Fuck man. Sorry to hear it.


I'll cover a plane ticket if you want to walk into schwalbe headquarters, grab everyone by the neck and scream "listen up fuckers, here's what's up!"

Seriously this is why we can't have nice things. Got someone who knows what they're doing? Fuck'em! We need to hire some 'new ideas™'

I hope this is temporary.

If not I've got a ton of leftover oxycodone from surgery if you want to get a good down time habit going.

 

[slyfink]

I like to think of it as an indefinite vacation with infinite new career possibilities. Plus I'm getting more trail rides now.

I hear a Swiss company is looking to improve their rubber offerings....

 

[HAB]

Find something that looks like a misspelling of "child cocker too"

You know of anywhere that has the softer rubber version for a not-stupid price? 26" obviously. I can only find deals on the harder rubber.

 

[Kevin]

Everyone is this tread is saying too much...

 

[kidwoo]

You know of anywhere that has the softer rubber version for a not-stupid price? 26" obviously. I can only find deals on the harder rubber.

Okay, I just spent 15 minutes looking at the innernetz for you.........

I don't. It's because wholesale is still kind of a stupid price.

Seems like you should be able to find some stock for those outdated wheels though.

 

[Jeremy R]

Everyone is this tread is saying too much...

^ Best typo ever.

 

[Kevin]

 

[mykel]

http://www.probikeshop.com/en/ca/michelin-wildrock-r-2-advanced-reinforced-tyre-26x2-35-tubeless-ready-magic-x-flexible-794908/96273.html

Go German. 38.90 Euro.

Check the other German sites as well - I only checked probikeshop...
Shipping is usually about 20 Euro for 2 tyres ( well to Kanukistan)
Delivery is 2-3 days - they don't fvck around.

 

[HAB]

Aww

Okay, I just spent 15 minutes looking at the innernetz for you.........

I don't. It's because wholesale is still kind of a stupid price.

Seems like you should be able to find some stock for those outdated wheels though.

Awwwwww thanks.

But yeah, them fuckers is expensive. Worth it though.

 

[bonky]

You just sliding out on them or actually tearing knobs?

Or more to the point: how do you know they're folding over? They're pretty short on the control ones.

The grids are an option too btw......

Fair enough, they felt like they were folding over, lean the bike over on bermless hardpacked turns and at a certain angle the bike felt like rolling sideways but not drifting, which caused some heart stopping moments at speed..

No knob tearing issues, actually I was pretty impressed with their durability.

As for the casing, I used to run Maxxis dual plies and had plenty of rim pings on rockier tracks so I'm a bit relunctant to try a lighter casing TBH.

 

[kidwoo]

Grids are heavier casings than control


Usually when you're truly folding knobs over you'll definitely be tearing knobs about halfway through. I've never felt like that was happening on the smaller butchers like the controls which is why I asked. I think you just need a beefier tire. The grids are that a little bit but the absolute mother of all cornering treads is the Michelin wildrockr2. They're not light though.

 

[wood booger]

I like to think of it as an indefinite vacation with infinite new career possibilities. Plus I'm getting more trail rides now.

Bummer buddy!
I hope you didn't give any bikes back....

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

To the OP, i would suggest getting some plus sized tires, it should solve your issues.

 

[kidwoo]

To the OP, i would suggest getting some plus sized tires, it should solve your issues.

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

Bait.

 

[kidwoo]

taken

 

[jstuhlman]

classic monkey

 

[kidwoo]

You be nice to DW!!!!!



NOW it's classic monkey.

 

[HAB]

Okay, I just spent 15 minutes looking at the innernetz for you.........

I don't. It's because wholesale is still kind of a stupid price.

Seems like you should be able to find some stock for those outdated wheels though.

http://www.bikeinn.com/bike/michelin-wildrock-r2-advanced-magi-x-reflective-ts-26x2.35/624055/p?q=michelin wi

FYI. Shipping isn't too bad if you buy a couple.

 

[Sandwich]

Have controls on my evil, would do grids next time for more support.

 

[jackalope]

but the absolute mother of all cornering treads is the Michelin wildrockr2. They're not light though.

All of this. Wish they were lighter, but they're the best tire I've ever used.

 

['size]

thanks for the links to the michelin at an acceptable price. been wanting to try that tire forever and completely forgot about it until this thread.

 

[jstuhlman]

link didn't work for me but they're no more than hr2/dhf/etc on chain reaction... (the ones I'd order were $48 each) didn't seem super weighty at 900-ish grams for a normal wheelsize either

 

[bonky]

@Above - those Michelins look really good, it's a shame they don't seem to be offering them with a proper DH casing (or I'm missing something).

 

[HAB]

@Above - those Michelins look really good, it's a shame they don't seem to be offering them with a proper DH casing (or I'm missing something).

They are, and they don't. I'd love a smaller trail bike casing one too, to run on the rear. They're nominally a 2.35, but run pretty big.

 

[bonky]

One more question, assuming I'm entitled to go slightly off topic in my own thread - what effect does tyre height have on cornering? I know a low bb will rail corners better but is this because of the bb's position relative to the axles or to the ground?