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Dec 3, 2007
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Pulled the trigger on the Spitfire through Dirt Merchant, only to have Ethan email me 30 minutes later saying the last large gunmetal frame was sold a couple hours earlier. Luckily, he has a few more en route and is discounting a Cane Creek headset for the delay.
Hopefully have the frame in my possession and built up in a couple weeks. Moving most everything over from my Bottlerocket including the unrideabru 26" wheels and nine speed drivetrain.
I appreciate all the feedback, informative and entertaining as usual.
Thanks.
 

jackalope

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I think that's called crashing.
Nah, it's how you turn lemons in chicken shit water...or something along those lines. Anyway, you're supposed to come charging into a shitty hairpin switchback and initiate the earthbound kickout procedure to puff up some dirt on the downhill side of the trail. Then you awkwardly skid around the 180° turn and ride through your still airborne dirt shart. Pretty sure the Germans invented this move.
 

AngryMetalsmith

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Nah, it's how you turn lemons in chicken shit water...or something along those lines. Anyway, you're supposed to come charging into a shitty hairpin switchback and initiate the earthbound kickout procedure to puff up some dirt on the downhill side of the trail. Then you awkwardly skid around the 180° turn and ride through your still airborne dirt shart. Pretty sure the Germans invented this move.
This

Also quite easy to achieve unintentionally during record drought and leaves.
 

jonKranked

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Pulled the trigger on the Spitfire through Dirt Merchant, only to have Ethan email me 30 minutes later saying the last large gunmetal frame was sold a couple hours earlier. Luckily, he has a few more en route and is discounting a Cane Creek headset for the delay.
Hopefully have the frame in my possession and built up in a couple weeks. Moving most everything over from my Bottlerocket including the unrideabru 26" wheels and nine speed drivetrain.
I appreciate all the feedback, informative and entertaining as usual.
Thanks.
good choice. you won't be disappointed
 

saruti

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Oct 29, 2006
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try to demo a Mondraker Foxy.
I rode the aluminium for a month. fox rear, Pike front. its a great bike. if I was looking for a 140mm bike. I would buy one.
 

djjohnr

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what color is that ? and what travel fork did you use ?

, they suggest 140/160 which is a nice range option

, I was gonna pull the trigger on a 2017 frame but week 6 of off for medical issues so have to wait till tax season :)
It's a 2016 gun metal frame and the fork is currently set at 150mm.
 
Dec 3, 2007
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The Troy replacement has arrived

Looks good. Wasn't sure about the red graphics, but they're starting to grow on me. Any idea on weight?
Hoping to see mine show up within the next couple weeks before the weather turns to complete shit here.
 

djjohnr

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Looks good. Wasn't sure about the red graphics, but they're starting to grow on me. Any idea on weight?
Hoping to see mine show up within the next couple weeks before the weather turns to complete shit here.
Didn't weigh it. In hand it felt similar/slightly lighter then my medium '16 Troy frame.
 

djjohnr

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I'll be interested in hearing what you think, the Troy is a helluva good bike.
Initial comparison points

- Stiffness is similar, I was expecting the Troy to be stiffer. I'm 185 lbs out of the shower right now.
- There's more pedal feedback
- It gets a little less hung up on square edge bumps
- There's more visual shock movement during standing pedaling, but it feels like it's putting power down a little better
- Like most mini-link bikes I've tried/owned it has a rearward initial feel to the travel where the rear wheel feels slighty disconnected
- Overall progressiveness with the stock shock (Monarch - standard can, not a Debonair) feels similar with a little less mid-stroke wallow

Since I'm going from a medium to a large I won't comment on geometry/handling other then I'm re-adjusting to longer chainstays. I have both the 650 and 26 dropouts and will be experimenting.
 

AngryMetalsmith

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It's only been noticeable pedaling over bumps. It's not bad (I've owned bikes with a lot more kickback) but it's there.
You might not have enough preload. Try adding air. Mine did that at first until I got the shock dialed.

Congrats on the Spitty. Now go try to stick your bar in the dirt through a berm.
 
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slyfink

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Sep 16, 2008
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I assume that you mean that the BB height doesn't change if you go from 26" wheels and 26" dropouts to 650b wheels with 650b dropouts?
if it's length only, wouldn't that imply that the bb would actually rise with the 650b dropouts? (even if it's marginal)
 

bengxe

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BB height is no different with the 26" or 27.5" dropouts. If you look at their geo charts the BB height is about half an inch higher across the board with 650b wheels/ dropouts. This is why my rune still has 26" wheels.
 

amishmatt

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if it's length only, wouldn't that imply that the bb would actually rise with the 650b dropouts? (even if it's marginal)
Correct. Which is why a 150mm fork makes sense on the older frames with 650b wheels. In the low setting with a 150 fork I'm still at a 13.5" BB height with 650b wheels. I definitely wouldn't want that any higher. The 2017 frames have geo optimized for 650b instead of 26. The way it should be :D.