Whew, you almost got nailed me, but thankfully my rebound works great and I don't wear skate shoes (while riding anyway).
my point is that the drivetrain components already have an ultra premium price attached to them. then you've gotta pony up ANOTHER nearly $100USD if your freehub driver is not compatible. SRAM has become experts at bilking people out of money.
precisely what their shareholders want to see I would imagine. (is SRAM publicly traded? even if not, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's what companies are in business to do)
I can see two or three potential reasons:
there'd be enough room in there for 9 cogs, all with same 2-step difference of the 7-sp system. for freeriders, ya know?!?!
they planned on offering an IPO, however i do not believe that has actually happened yet.
that's not speculation.
indeed. I meant the speculation was that they could potentially introduce a hub with wider flanges down the road...
gotcha. from a business perspective its smart. i guess. release the hub shell a year or two after everyone's already paid for a new freehub.
It's probably steel. Much like my STX Cranks from 1996 that we're 7 years old with the original rings and over 4,000miles on them. This "cheap" stuff last longer. Trust me. My XTR stuff had nothing but issues back in the day. The XTR replaced the STX on my hard tail. Fwiw, the HT was a Trek 930 Cro-mo frame that was made in the USA and lasted me 15years.
Again nerd tax. I assume other companies will make cheaper version as it is with the narrow/wide chainring. Yes it will still be expensive but just buy it when you need new wheels and at that time I think the price will be similar to normal hub.
Actually, things are the other way around (which might surprise many of the armchair engineers in RM). A narrow chain is stronger/ more durable than a widely spaced one. When you think of the actual torque the side plates put over each end of the pins, the shorter the pin, the lower the torque. This leads to much stronger (yet flexible) chains.
there was a thread on here not too long ago that i was asking about hub spacing and the strength ratio... IIRC, what i got from it was that wider hubs are not stiffer/stronger (although i still dont necessarily agree)..
Its not the extra flange width, its making the dish of the wheel more symmetrical that makes it strongerthere was a thread on here not too long ago that i was asking about hub spacing and the strength ratio... IIRC, what i got from it was that wider hubs are not stiffer/stronger (although i still dont necessarily agree)..
andddd now im back to square one, and even more confused than before. as usual.
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oooooooh, gotcha.. thank you for that info!
I get the same type of reaction when I bring up XX1
Jeez dude, you realize they're in the business of selling stuff for money, right?
They're not forcing you to buy their parts. As you can see in this thread and others there are all kinds of options for DH drivetrains with fewer gears if you want to opt out for whatever reason. Honestly you just sound bitter that you can't have the latest and greatest for the same price as a hack job using 4-year old, low-grade parts.
I've had a love/hate relationship with SRAM's products over the years but they get mega-props from me for being a legitimate competitor/threat to Shimano. One reason for that is that IMO, they are better (lately anyway) at listening to riders and giving them the products they think they want. I don't love all their stuff (still prefer shimano brakes, for example), but personally I hope SRAM keeps doing what they're doing. It only makes for better products and better choices across the board for everyone.
I said it was stupid when urn gwern started losing on it, and you all told me it was a one off proto. Now here it is being sold to whomever can afford it, and it's still stupid, it's just condensed stupid.
i can make 7 speed cassettes with a sawz-all. i may just start a business.
well DUH
Jeez dude, you realize they're in the business of selling stuff for money, right?
you clearly have me confused with sandy andy.
Make'em Trenduro-specific and you might be able to retire earlier
Pffft 4 years old. I had a 96 lx derailleur on my morewood last year.
i will have region specific cassettes. teeth are ramped specifically for conditions in different mountain ranges.Make'em Trenduro-specific and you might be able to retire earlier
i have some mid 90's xtr cranks in the parts bin. completely thrashed, but i can't bring myself to deep 6 them.
I have several 9-speed ones highly customized by me and the local muddy trails sitting in a shelf... PM me, we might be able to put together a highly specialized* custom-made/localized/totally blingernerd cassette shop!!!
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tl;dr - did they account for the fact that maybe, just maybe, the people who aren't buying bikes are not in the market because sh*t is just getting too goddamn expensive?
and also, that there's large segment of middle-aged, middle-income, bike-loving, bike-part-buying public who are resentful that all the time, energy and money they've invested in making their 26" bike the bike they want is essentially wasted because we can't carry over the key components of our dream build onto a new frame?
My take on it is: Bike companies core business isn't the "26 4 Life!" I'll trade my Xbox for your fork 17 year old Pinkbike crowd. It's the guys that have been riding for 15-20 years that now have disposable income that want the latest and greatest technology and are willing to walk into a shop and drop close to MSRP on it. So just because there are 100 comments on a PB article about how everyone will never buy XO1 DH and will continue to use their 8 year old LX cassette doesn't mean SRAM isn't going to sell a ton of them.
It is really? The gap between top of the line and entry level is getting bigger but it's not more expensive to have a great bike. Come on. Direct order offer amazing deals, some companies like Mondraker have great value on their complete builds. You also have greater choice, it's not only xc vs dh like 10 years ago. Now I can buy a capable dartmoor park bike for 2000$ and they have a regular distribution model.
i'm in pretty much the same boat. with the exception of my DH bike, if i want a new fork i'll need a new frame. which means new wheels, probably cranks, etc.
this is the problem. MTB, well, cycling in general, is turning into golf. products are being targeted to people with more money than common sense or ability.
