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state of the union 1.3.09
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All I heard there was the truth (well all except for that one point where he misspoke and said the war with Iran, instead of Iraq).
oster_oops:- Do you really think that the new administration is going to do anything significantly different than the last one?
- Do you really think that we should continue to fund Israel at taxpayer expense? It makes America culpable for the deaths of Palestinian children.
- Do you really think that the way to solve an economic crisis caused by overspending is to spend even more?
It sounded like common funking sense to me.
I was talking about his isolationist approach to the problem, when I think we should be much more proactive
No, No, and there isn't a problem with spending in a recession to kick-start the economy, especially with our crumbling infrastructure
edit: I'm pretty anti-Israel, so that isn't what I was referring to
No, No, and there isn't a problem with spending in a recession to kick-start the economy, especially with our crumbling infrastructure
edit: I'm pretty anti-Israel, so that isn't what I was referring to
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Opinions? what you are really seeing is a politician speak the truth without someones oppressive cock stuffed in his mouth, sounds nice and clear to me.
Ron isnt affiliated and does not support the Zionist regime, he also opposes reckless government funded bail-outs and therefore, does not have to tell lies and half truths about them.
Its politics without deception, a make up artist, and a glam rock star status. Its something most Americans arent used to and dont want to understand.
I think its a good point about the isolationist mentality. You will see it in Ralph sometimes as well, but there is a place for it in certain situations and it can work very well youll probably agree.
Spending is fine, if thats what you want to do with your savings borrowing money from a second party (foreign country) can work out great too (stimulates foreign investment) but borrowing money from yourself and then essentially spending it in on yourself in rough times that where created by doing just that, is a bad idea.
I believe that there are multiple causes of our current mess, but one of them is the overspending permitted by a fiat currency which has caused the dollar's value to be weakened which caused prices to rise which caused people to be less able to pay their bills, ladadadada...
As the former head of the issuing organization of the fiat currency we pretend is actual money, I suspect he may have an interest in being less than truthful about issues related to finance.
So was he lying while he was chairman or after he was chairman? Because if he's lying about disagreeing with his past self, then he really agrees with his past self, but if his past self was lying then he's actually disagreeing with his past self. But if he's telling the truth that he's disagreeing with his past self and his past self was lying then he's actually agreeing with himself by lying about disagreeing.
Wow. That all makes my head hurt. I need something simple I can understand. Maybe something with pictures and a nice easy explanation.
Here, check out this video. It explains how the banks create money out of thin funking air.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
Yes, most of us here are familiar with monetary policy in the US, but it is a bit like McCain saying "Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today. And that's a disgrace. It's an absolute disgrace, and it's got to be fixed" in a speech about Social Security.
Ah yes, seniors. Another group of "special" people to be capitulated to in the land where all men are created equal.
OLD PEOPLE TAKING MY HARD EARNED MONEY
yeah, hate to help out those that worked to provide what we have today..
that'd suck.
sheesh
Yes, I'm familiar with the concept. Do you propose we return to the gold standard? Good luck with that.
My point was more that you so universally assume anyone in power is lying with every single word they say that you're contradicting YOURSELF. If you had bothered to read what Samirol wrote or understood what he was referring to, you would have understood that your statement makes no sense, by definition. Instead, you saw the words Greenspan and had some Pavlovian "LIAR!" reaction.
Doesn't add much to your credibility.
Bush: I was wrong and I made mistakes [ohio: I wish]
Rick: LIAR!
we should just cull them while were at itOLD PEOPLE TAKING MY HARD EARNED MONEY
^^^ Two words: Soylent Green
After being lied to (or should I say misled?) for so long, it becomes an expectation.
I did google up "randian policies" before posting, but it wasn't very helpful to me in helping understand what Samirol was talking about, but what I do know is that the Federal Reserve is misrepresented to the people by the government and therefore I am suspicious of what ANYONE involved might say. You may note I used carefully selected weasel words in my response and never actually accused Greenspan of anything but rather only stated my suspicions.
I am flattered that you thought I had any credibility to begin with.
Were such a statement ever to be made it would be in the form of a limited hangout or maybe in pleading for leniency from a judge [RR: I wish].
So this is all way, way, way offtopic now, getting back on track:
Samirol believes loosened regulations caused the financial mess and I believe that overspending, brought about by the war and made possible by our monetary system, weakened the value of the dollar which caused prices to rise, which made people less able to meet their debt obligations which brought about this financial mess (and maybe loosened regulations played a part too in setting up the scenario needed for this mess to occur).
My bottom line is this:
Had this pointless war not occurred, the bubble would still be inflating today. We would still be following an upward spiral.
Let me 'splain. No, there's no time. Let me summarize.
Rand says that capitalism, selfishness and drive for success will cure all economic and social ills, while the belief that someone else will take care of us or be responsible for us is the root of all social ills and the ultimate downfall of society.
Oh, and she's into somewhat violent (anal?) sex.
Admittedly I have not read Atlas Shrugged and yes, I knew that is what it was referring to.
Thank you for the summary Ohio. I am in general agreement with the philosophies you summarized. I believe capitalism to be a good thing, but what we really have in America is not capitalism but rather socialized corporatism. What else could you call all the subsidies, bailouts and such going on today?
I am especially interested in the violent anal sex you mention, but only as a bottom.
Thank you for the summary Ohio. I am in general agreement with the philosophies you summarized. I believe capitalism to be a good thing, but what we really have in America is not capitalism but rather socialized corporatism. What else could you call all the subsidies, bailouts and such going on today?
I am especially interested in the violent anal sex you mention, but only as a bottom.
Greenspan, although he didn't strictly follow Ayn Rand's ideas, was a disciple of hers. Her economic philosophy is basically summarized up as that regulations hold back the strongest in society, so we need to remove all restrictions to let the best succeed as much as they possibly can.
I should have been more clear in my earlier post.
I should have been more clear in my earlier post.
Oh I don't like where this is going at all.