[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by jdcamb
Whatever dude......

His boozing and womanizing is common knowledge. Also he come from a family where people are bred to be "politicians" .....personally, I wouldn't let him sell me a car.

The family evenhas a murder cover up and what was that about a rape on their grounds one summer.... Yeah quality family. Ladies and gentleman our countrys royalty, the Kennedy's

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
His boozing and womanizing is common knowledge. Also he come from a family where people are bred to be "politicians" .....personally, I wouldn't let him sell me a car.

The family evenhas a murder cover up and what was that about a rape on their grounds one summer.... Yeah quality family. Ladies and gentleman our countrys royalty, the Kennedy's

As opposed to the Bush family...

Drinking, cocaine, prescription drugs, savings and loan scandals, CIA head and Vice President during some "interesting" times...

Pick your poison...

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by Silver
As opposed to the Bush family...

Drinking, cocaine, prescription drugs, savings and loan scandals, CIA head and Vice President during some "interesting" times...

Pick your poison...

Didn't say one was better........just letting jdcamb in on his illustrious Ted "next round is on me" Kennedy

I hazard a guess that the Kennedy is just as crooked as the Bush family. Bring on a Kennedy for president.....wouldn't mind seeing their laundry hung out to dry.

If power corrupts the Kennedy's have a BIG head start.

 

[biggins]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
For one group to have 100% control would be terribly efficient and down right scary. It also wouldn't be a democracy......

one group is in control right now all majorities are republican.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by biggins
one group is in control right now all majorities are republican.

damn voters!

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by biggins
one group is in control right now all majorities are republican.

Majority, yes.

Sole control, no.

 

[jdcamb]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Didn't say one was better........just letting jdcamb in on his illustrious Ted "next round is on me" Kennedy

I hazard a guess that the Kennedy is just as crooked as the Bush family. Bring on a Kennedy for president.....wouldn't mind seeing their laundry hung out to dry.

If power corrupts the Kennedy's have a BIG head start.

Rhino I didn't say he was a saint. I know his history. I did the research before I met him. I was ready to attack him during the meeting I had with him. But I have to say he disarmed me. He had direct and honest answers to about every question I asked him. He has done a lot of good for the poor in the state of Massachusetts. I hold no allusions about his personal life, he has made some serious mistakes. But he gets re-elected based on the job he does. More politicians should get elected based on that. His constituents love him. As far as his family is concerned, when I asked him he stated that it wasn't any of my business. It wasn't as I am not one of his constituents. Fair enough for me.

Next time your in Washington go to a bar and I think you would be surprised at some of the conversation you hear, who is having those conversations, and the amount of alcohol is being consumed. Alcoholism is a integral aspect of how some aspects of how our goverment works. Lets just put it this way Politics and Alcohol go hand in hand buddy.

I think that a lot of folks that would make great politicians and that are highly qualified to run the country, are scared away at the thought of having a few mistakes they made used against the during a campaign. So we get the bottom feeders who have nothing to hide or are more adept at hiding those ugly little secrets which we all have, dare I say including you and I? Yet I didn't vote for Clinton because I thought he smoked pot so who am I to say? ....jdcamb

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by jdcamb
Rhino I didn't say he was a saint. I know his history. I did the research before I met him. I was ready to attack him during the meeting I had with him. But I have to say he disarmed me. He had direct and honest answers to about every question I asked him. He has done a lot of good for the poor in the state of Massachusetts. I hold no allusions about his personal life, he has made some serious mistakes. But he gets re-elected based on the job he does. More politicians should get elected based on that. His constituents love him. As far as his family is concerned, when I asked him he stated that it wasn't any of my business. It wasn't as I am not one of his constituents. Fair enough for me.
....jdcamb

So if Bush could be as slick as Ted K then his history would be OK too? He is a bred politician and it is no wonder he seemed honest and sincere...at least Bush isn't that smooth LOL!

Booze is booze. Many meeting in the business world happen after you leave the office. Deals are finalized over a drink. Politics is no different.

Avoiding your question is a dual edged sword. He says it is none of your business....possibly. It is also a way of saying we sound like monsters if I talked about it....and that reflects even more so on me. People on this board bring up Bush's father being president yada yada, and what the bush family does or might have done independant and conjointly with the presidency. Do you think Ted and the rest of the clan haven't used their political power to their advagtage?

I can say I don't trust politicians. I doubt I will ever trust one fully anytime soon or in the future.

Point blank, Ted is not a "great man" by any stretch of the imagination.

"...and that his record for his constituents is speaks for itself. Nobody in our Goverment cares more for you then him."

I just think this is a step away from kneelling before him and polishing his knob. Sorry, knee jerk, jerky thing to say, that was in fun...fun for me at least.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by biggins
how about all of the coal burning power companies emmissions getting reduced and causing seriously unhealthy amounts of mercury in the water sources of most states? how about when he appointed Ken Lay to a commitee that helped seat the board for the energy concervation council? How about the fact that they never have found weapons of mass destruction and never will. where the hell is osama bin laden? What about the tax cut for which i got nothing? How about his plan to let ILLEGAL aliens work here for three years and take the money to other countries while our own CITIZENS are jobless and starving he sure needs the spanish peoples votes to secure his election this year since buying it would seem a little suspicious 2 elections in a row.

no i dont feel sorry for saddam either. i think he needed to be taken out of power but the years of bush and his administration and their lies and scare tactics need to come to an end.

give me a little while to get back to this post and i will show you way more than this.

__________________

Hahahaha!

Man, and I thought you'd at least have something with substance....oh wait, I no I didnt.

To start with illegals first: What would you have done? At least now they can be taxed to benefit the country rather than working under the table. I dont know about you, but not too many unemployed people i know are itching to go out and pick oranges all day. It just aint going to happen. Immigrants are needed here for work, like it or not, it's just a matter of exploiting them properly to benefit us.

Where is Osama Bin Laden? Well thats a great one Biggins. Im sure the president is totally the guy responsible for not finding him. Or, well, it could be clintons fault for downsizing our intel community, but i wont go there. How can you blame bush for this? Its retarded. There are many many people looking for the guy, and frankly, i cant even begin to understand why you think its George W. Bush's fault he hasnt been found.

WMD?: Yes, where are they? That has been the question for some time and it still is. What's scary is that even though EVERYONE IN THE WORLD widely acknowledges that Saddam had such things, no one can locate them now. Could they be in the hands of terrorists? Could they be in the desert? Who knows but Saddam Hussein?

Ken Lay? Dude, show me a president who doesnt appoint his own people to key positions.

You Factory Connection: Ive yet to see reports of massive fish kills or Bush's bank account growing enourmasly since this change. You probably got your news from greenpeace, because from what ive read, these standards were largely unnecessary and caused these companies to incur massive costs for no apparent reason. Who put these standards in place? What research have you done yourself or read to show that Bush's impact will be negative?


Again Biggins, all i see here is more jargon, rhetoric....whatever. It doesnt mean anything. You HATE bush, so anything he does you'll find a problem with. I have my problems with him, but Im not so blinded as to not understand the good that has come of his service thus far. The economy IS doing better. Saddam is Gone. Al Queda is largely dismantled. Gas aint $2.00 a gallon (here anyway). Someone has taken on the issue of illegal aliens.

I think It will pay off to see what another four years will give us.

 

[biggins]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Hahahaha!



Where is Osama Bin Laden? Well thats a great one Biggins. Im sure the president is totally the guy responsible for not finding him. Or, well, it could be clintons fault for downsizing our intel community, but i wont go there. How can you blame bush for this? Its retarded. There are many many people looking for the guy, and frankly, i cant even begin to understand why you think its George W. Bush's fault he hasnt been found.

WMD?: Yes, where are they? That has been the question for some time and it still is. What's scary is that even though EVERYONE IN THE WORLD widely acknowledges that Saddam had such things, no one can locate them now. Could they be in the hands of terrorists? Could they be in the desert? Who knows but Saddam Hussein?

Ken Lay? Dude, show me a president who doesnt appoint his own people to key positions.

You Factory Connection: Ive yet to see reports of massive fish kills or Bush's bank account growing enourmasly since this change. You probably got your news from greenpeace, because from what ive read, these standards were largely unnecessary and caused these companies to incur massive costs for no apparent reason. Who put these standards in place? What research have you done yourself or read to show that Bush's impact will be negative?


Again Biggins, all i see here is more jargon, rhetoric....whatever. It doesnt mean anything. You HATE bush, so anything he does you'll find a problem with. I have my problems with him, but Im not so blinded as to not understand the good that has come of his service thus far. The economy IS doing better. Saddam is Gone. Al Queda is largely dismantled. Gas aint $2.00 a gallon (here anyway). Someone has taken on the issue of illegal aliens.

I think It will pay off to see what another four years will give us.

well when they caught saddam it was suddenly Bush that was the man responsible for getting him so yes is bush is supposed to find Osama as well.

as for weapons of mass destruction well
there were several inspectors that said that they beleive he didnt have.

as for the mercury and the lessening of pollution control for major powerplants talk to me about that after you go get the levels checked in the bloodstream of your kids.

and for someone that was demanding facts a little while you sure have not produced a single one yourself. oh but you did manage to use the word jargon and say that me blaming bush for not finding weapons of mass destruction is " retarded"

 

[biggins]

and by the way i do not suppart greenpeace nor am i democratic or republican. As a friendly reminder i might add that the only reason that Bush has such a strong army is cause he is riding on the army that was created by Bill Clinton while he managed to form a surplus in the budget that Bush has drilled a 300 and some odd billion dollar hole into.

 

[jdcamb]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Point blank, Ted is not a "great man" by any stretch of the imagination.


I just think this is a step away from kneelling before him and polishing his knob. Sorry, knee jerk, jerky thing to say, that was in fun...fun for me at least.

I am sure that all the Tradesmen employed by the Big Dig including my Brother would disagree. He was instrumental in making one of the biggest Public Works projects the country has ever seen happen. Improving the lives of thousands not only during construction but when it is ultimately completed too.

Unfortunately the Bureaucrats who actually managed the project on the state level tried to rape the project (hmmm those pesky Mass Republicans trying to make some more $$ for their pals again...). But still when it is done it will continue to improve the lives of millions for years to come. Including my families and for that he is pretty cool in my books. The polishing his knob comment was rather funny but in a childish kind of way.....jdcamb

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by biggins


and for someone that was demanding facts a little while you sure have not produced a single one yourself. oh but you did manage to use the word jargon and say that me blaming bush for not finding weapons of mass destruction is " retarded"

Im not the one throwing forth claims here. Its up to you to prove the things youre accusing.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by biggins
and by the way i do not suppart greenpeace nor am i democratic or republican. As a friendly reminder i might add that the only reason that Bush has such a strong army is cause he is riding on the army that was created by Bill Clinton while he managed to form a surplus in the budget that Bush has drilled a 300 and some odd billion dollar hole into.

If you know anyone in the military, try asking them what life was like under clinton...who was a big fan of the word "downsize". Life has been on the up and up since bush took over.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
If you know anyone in the military, try asking them what life was like under clinton...who was a big fan of the word "downsize". Life has been on the up and up since bush took over.

well, i was an E-4 for too many years under clinton. Promotions in my field were few & far between, and reinlistment bonuses were scarce (these are supposed to be incentives to retain the force i thought). Now, my same testing scores on Bush's watch for promotion are more than adequate.

I amassed crazy debts - which assuredly were by my own choices - but i was enabled by...by......damn, i was hoping to link this to clinton somehow. I'll just suck it up & not be a victim (but just this once).

On balance, i'm glad i got out a few years back, and am not sure if i would have cut the cord if i had made a couple more stripes.

 

[ummbikes]

"Ken Lay? Dude, show me a president who doesnt appoint his own people to key positions." As said by Burly Surly.


Burly, for jesus jehovahs sake. Is this your arguement?

I only ask because me and the dolphins care.

 

[$tinkle]

CHICAGO (Wireless Flash)
President George W. Bush has come a long way as a public speaker, but a professional speaker who studied his recent State of the Union address says there's still room for improvement.

Eliot Shapiro, who consults with business executives, says Bush's podium persona could be friendlier and more expressive.

He says Bush needs to stop leaning on the lectern and start using his hands to emphasize his points. Shapiro also recommends Bush plant both feet firmly on the ground instead of leaning to one side.

He says Bush oozed charm when he made his way to the podium but ruined things during his speech by not using any facial expressions to emphasize how he felt.

Furthermore, he caught Bush using the word "nucular" instead of nuclear on four occasions.

Shapiro's company surveyed TV viewers at ratethepresident.com and, overall, folks gave Bush a 3.39 on a five-point scale.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by jdcamb
The polishing his knob comment was rather funny but in a childish kind of way.....jdcamb

As it was meant to be

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by jdcamb
I am sure that all the Tradesmen employed by the Big Dig including my Brother would disagree. He was instrumental in making one of the biggest Public Works projects the country has ever seen happen. Improving the lives of thousands not only during construction but when it is ultimately completed too.

Unfortunately the Bureaucrats who actually managed the project on the state level tried to rape the project (hmmm those pesky Mass Republicans trying to make some more $$ for their pals again...). But still when it is done it will continue to improve the lives of millions for years to come. Including my families and for that he is pretty cool in my books.

Well I typed "big dig Ted kennedy" in MSN.com search engine and come up with this

Link to article

85¢ out of every dollar … is 85% of the responsibility for the Big Dig," said Ms. Howell. "For years, Boston Insiders, Fat Cats, and the Political Establishment have praised Ted Kennedy's influence, clout and ability to deliver the Pork. We've seen the Pork. It's called the Big Dig. There's Ted Kennedy's Federal Pork."

In the early 1980's, the politicians promised us a Big Dig that would cost only $2.5 Billion. Today, almost 20 years later, they swear 'it'll only be $12.2 Billion … Honest.'

A Billion Bucks a mile. 85% of it delivered by 38 year Incumbent Ted Kennedy.

And this link to another article

WASHINGTON -- For turning a highway project into a costly opportunity for Boston, Massachusetts' utilities to upgrade their infrastructures at no charge to them, the managers of Boston's Central Artery project have won Rep. Tom Petri's latest Porker Award.

Petri explained that Federal taxpayers are paying 85 percent of the cost of the project, also known as "The Big Dig." At a projected cost of $11.6 billion to build two highway tunnels, the Big Dig is the most expensive highway project in the nation's history.

"I fought the Big Dig when it was approved in the early 1980s, but I was only a junior congressman at the time, and the Big Dig had the strong support of Senator Ted Kennedy and House Speaker Tip O'Neill, who was from Boston," Petri said.

"The Big Dig requires major disruptions during construction. So, to keep everybody happy and quiet, the administrators of the project have been spreading money around to all sorts of local government agencies, businesses, and educational institutions," Petri said.

I left out the article from Freerepublic.com....yikes!

Another good project gone bad by the government....yes everyone but Ted Kennedy is at fault...them damn republicans...considering that the project has been going on for quite some time now........

I am glad your brother and others found work....but it the deal is probably like WA gave Boeing.....cutting us off at the knees.

 

[$tinkle]

just one of the many reasons why his state is called "Taxachussetts"

 

[jdcamb]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Well I typed "big dig Ted kennedy" in MSN.com search engine and come up with this

Link to article


And this link to another article


I left out the article from Freerepublic.com....yikes!

Another good project gone bad by the government....yes everyone but Ted Kennedy is at fault...them damn republicans...considering that the project has been going on for quite some time now........

I am glad your brother and others found work....but it the deal is probably like WA gave Boeing.....cutting us off at the knees.

If you understood the traffic situation in Boston during the 80's then you would understand why the Big Dig is such a good thing. Even considering the costs IMO. Shortly after the project was announced Gov. Weld took office and the whole project was revamped to accomodate his interests. I am not familar with the situation Boeing had/has in Washington state so I don't understand your reference. But if you look at the appointees that were responsible for the project and the direction it took when they took over the project. I am sure could figure out what happened there......jdcamb

 

[Jorvik]

Originally posted by $tinkle
just one of the many reasons why his state is called "Taxachussetts"

You have no idea.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by Jorvik
You have no idea.

But the gas here is ten cents cheaper than in Connecticut. Still, I paid $1.75 for the premium schit this morning. When are we going to start drilling in Alaska, anyway. Gas prices are too high. :devil:

 

[biggins]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
But the gas here is ten cents cheaper than in Connecticut. Still, I paid $1.75 for the premium schit this morning. When are we going to start drilling in Alaska, anyway. Gas prices are too high. :devil:

why drill in alaska when we now own iraq? although ido appreciate you antagonistic ideas.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by biggins
why drill in alaska when we now own iraq? although ido appreciate you antagonistic ideas.

Yeah but if we drill in Alaska, we can pipe all the oil into the States by building a huge pipeline though Canada. Canadians won't mind. Not like anyone's using Canada anyway.

 

[DRB]

Okay I have finally finished reading the transcript of the whole thing (no way I was going to watch it).

Ommissions:
1. AIDS/HIV. No mention at all in regards to the money that was pledged last year nor any of the efforts. Especially with all the mentions of other healthcare initiatives. He made such a big deal about it last year.

2. Space Initiative. Eventhough it was splashed all over last week it seems strange to me that it was not mentioned at all.

3. No mention of Israel or Palestine. Just a generic mention of the Middle East.

Inclusions:
1. The whole same sex marriage thing. I am still overwhelmed that this is an issue that the President needs to weigh in on. There is simply so much more that needs addressing by our government that it is a colossal waste of time and probably money.

Other Thoughts:
1. The whole Lybian thing was funny. 12 years of diplomacy did nothing but then 9 months of negotiations did.

2. The term Patriot Act still makes my blood boil.

3. His whole fiscal policy, tax cuts and budgets are just plain junk. It is completely obvious that he has no intention of instituting any sort of responsibility when it comes to government spending. Without looking to hard I think I saw another 100 million in new spending initiatives for the next year specifically listed with amounts. The others did not mention specific amounts.

 

[golgiaparatus]

I love the way GW wants to put lots of money into lots of various things.

When I'm 60 remind me why I dont have any social security left where does GW think all this $$ is going to come from?

 

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by $tinkle
pararescue during gulf war I, reclassified to software engineer for a total of 9 years active duty.

I have a friend that did that EXACT same thing. He was pararescue duting Desert Storm... jezus does he have some stories, there was one in particular where he had to hide under some dead bodies... but thats a whole other thread.

Did all the pararescue dudes hang out? If so maybe you guys have met, especially since you both went on to do software engeneering.

His name was John... really tall dude, fast talker, from Springfield MO.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
jezus does he have some stories, there was one in particular where he had to hide under some dead bodies... but thats a whole other thread.

Did all the pararescue dudes hang out? If so maybe you guys have met, especially since you both went on to do software engeneering.

His name was John... really tall dude, fast talker, from Springfield MO.

i had a boring & short stint. Saw a dude drown, but no serious carnage. Lotsa funny stories on par with frat-life. Yeah, i try to sidle up to everyone who has done any special forces just for the war stories. It's sick, i know.

the only contact i've had is seeing a few buddies on the discovery channel doing a PJ (pararescue-jumper) expose`. R Lee Earmy has also covered them a little on Mailcall.

PM w/ john's last name & i'll reply in kind.

 

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Yeah but if we drill in Alaska, we can pipe all the oil into the States by building a huge pipeline though Canada. Canadians won't mind. Not like anyone's using Canada anyway.

LOL

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Yeah but if we drill in Alaska, we can pipe all the oil into the States by building a huge pipeline though Canada. Canadians won't mind. Not like anyone's using Canada anyway.

is gale norton your sock puppet or something?

WASHINGTON — Interior Secretary Gale Norton signed off on a plan Thursday for opening most of an 8.8 million-acre swath of Alaska's North Slope to oil and gas development. Some of the drilling could occur in areas important for migratory birds, whales and wildlife.

you think it, she says it.

 

[CRUM]

Originally posted by ohio
They're too busy slapping each other limp-wristedly for "success" in the NH primary.

Uh, Don't mean to nit pick, but don't you mean Iowa, not New Hampshire? New Hampshire is coming up on the 27th.

All in all I was underwhelmed by his speech. Seems he is going to force the government to attempt to make more moral choices into law. And while he is crowing about the economy, I still have a wait and see attitude. The cycle is too new to be overly optimistic yet.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by $tinkle
is gale norton your sock puppet or something?you think it, she says it.

I don't know...is she hot?

 

[DRB]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
I don't know...is she hot?

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by DRB

IAB'd hit it.

 

[ohio]

Originally posted by CRUM
Uh, Don't mean to nit pick, but don't you mean Iowa, not New Hampshire? New Hampshire is coming up on the 27th.

No I meant NH. I didn't mean high-fiving. I mean slapping each other like cranky school girls as they vie for position in NH.

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And I'd drill for oil in Gale Norton.:devil: Lay some pipeline of my own, eh, eh, know what I mean?

 

[Westy]