lol wut?i heard from multiple sources that you should take the Ti spring a bit harder as the steel spring
Modulus is also independent of material in a way (it varies between materials but is measured with the same method). So take two same thickness springs and ti will be softer so your spring rating will also go down. Ti springs have a different geometry to make up for the different material properties so the static stiffness is the same.Riding a steel spring, I was wondering if there's also another advantage to ride a Ti spring.
Talked to a guy at the LBS and he said, his bike felt much smoother after throwing a Ti on his bike. Since I'm not the person that beliefs everything, I told me some questions. Is that only a placebo effect, or is there something magic on Ti springs?
Has it something to do with the different elasticity modulus than steel?
The modulus of elasticity is just a measurement of how much force it takes to strain a material. 2 springs of equal load rating will not react very differently in dynamic loading. Ti may have a longer service life, but I believe any tangible performance difference would probably be due to some shock work he had done while it was off the bike.Talked to a guy at the LBS and he said, his bike felt much smoother after throwing a Ti on his bike.
Has it something to do with the different elasticity modulus than steel?
this is way more likely than any actual effect of spring material.dont forget to factor in.. most people ride on cheap stock steel springs, which can vary up to 10% in actual rating..
so your 450 spring on a cheap steel spring can easily be a 405 or a 495 lbs one.
i just slappe a 450 ti on the sx and the bike is on par with the 400steel as far as sag and its more suple (smooth).I've heard of this before, having a 450 ti spring "feel" softer than a 450 steel spring on the same shock. Alwasy been curious as to why. I felt it as well, rode the bike with both springs. It does feel WAY softer, but it just feels like you've opened up the LSC and soaks HSC better...
That was also my thought. Obviously the damper itself makes the difference. Seems like those guys want to justify the extra money for the ti spring. "It's not only the weight, it's the ride quality." To me Ti springs definitely have the right to exist. If someone wants to lighten his ride up, why not? The "ride quality" point is just silly in my eyes.placebo usually, but a good quality spring vs a crap one, will make a difference.
That sounds like you got a quality spring with the right spring rate for you.i just slappe a 450 ti on the sx and the bike is on par with the 400steel as far as sag and its more suple (smooth).
not palcebo either, its a side by side comparison. fox steel 400# vs rcs ti 450# and without a doubt the ti feels more linear.
yes but along with the weight savings on the bike from ti your wallet is also significantly lighter. This adds up to an even more impressive weight saving due to your ability to buy less beer.And steel springs can save you significant amount of money
lmao.
titanium springs has a lower spring ratio allmoast half as the steel springs! so if you have a 400 lbs spring in a steeel and a 400 ti spring if you compress both 1" then the steel spring will be much stiffer then the titanium one.... so this is why you need a bit harder for the titanium springs!
I guess You meant Young's module not "spring ratio"... and 400lbs/in ti spring has exactly the same rate as a steel 400lbs/in springtitanium springs has a lower spring ratio allmoast half as the steel springs! so if you have a 400 lbs spring in a steeel and a 400 ti spring if you compress both 1" then the steel spring will be much stiffer then the titanium one.... so this is why you need a bit harder for the titanium springs!
Very cool link, the springs are more accurate than I expected.
It matches the bike, which will make it faster obviously.I had a 400 steel,now on a 350 ti with bit more preload,it is exacly wat I wanted......
:insert favorite facepalm:I had a 400 steel,now on a 350 ti with bit more preload,it is exacly wat I wanted......
p.s unless you got your damper with lots of rebound,you eill feel the diff.
steel is way more springy,ti is soft.
clearlyIt matches the bike, which will make it faster obviously.
dude. think about what you said. you swapped a 400lb spring for a 350. doesn't matter if its Ti, steel, or unobfvckintanium, of course its going to feel "softer". I'm the last person to trot their credentials onto an internet forum but I have a PhD in titanium metallurgical engineering. if you have two springs of identical spring-rate there will be NO DIFFERENCE in their progressive or linear behavior.clearly
rice,sry for my experienceS of life.Your always right
but those are his life experiencesI'm the last person to trot their credentials onto an internet forum but I have a PhD in titanium metallurgical engineering. if you have two springs of identical spring-rate there will be NO DIFFERENCE in their progressive or linear behavior.
Ya, I know. I get that alot. But for anyone who is interested I can PM links to some of the stuff I have done. One of the reasons I love RM is there is alot of people on here who really know their stuff and have really cool backgrounds and experience. I mean there is a member of an F1 crew on here for cryin out loud... thats frikin sweet.Titanium metalerdergicabal (sp) engineering ?....Really?.....C'mon ,I dont even think that's a real thing.
and a doctor at that.....You overshot that one.You be more believable if you said you read a blacksmithing book once.
to bad you assumed and never knew I've owned plural bikes and know a 400 steel vs a 400 ti ti is softer and steelbut those are his life experiences