Stikman's Livigno update @ stiksandstones.com
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read on velonews he's also been working on his neighbour's farm....
preppie said:
then they might just have to bring DH to the Olympics if they want to see any kind of cycling event!Transcend said:
Be it as it is, i would prefer we weren't represented by sauced up nobodies. If you can't compete clean, get the F outta town. I love how NO cyclists as far as I know got busted in Greece. Such a farce as 90% of them are juicing.Acadian said:then they might just have to bring DH to the Olympics if they want to see any kind of cycling event!
It is pretty damn cool that the DHers told the little juice monkey to get lost.
you no lika da juice
Fraser,
Get off the "only xc riders" are doping high-horse. Meirhage was (is) a rad bike rider who made a lot of bad decisions, like a lot of pro bike riders out there that can remain nameless. There are plenty of "thereapeutic products" out there that can make dh riders go faster, and I refuse to believe that many aren't taking advantage of them.
Doping and ANY high-level sport goes hand-in-hand.
The comibnation of financial and societal pressures place on Meirhage as Belgiums off-road Mercxx are likely enough to drive anyone to do something stupid.
Get off the "only xc riders" are doping high-horse. Meirhage was (is) a rad bike rider who made a lot of bad decisions, like a lot of pro bike riders out there that can remain nameless. There are plenty of "thereapeutic products" out there that can make dh riders go faster, and I refuse to believe that many aren't taking advantage of them.
Doping and ANY high-level sport goes hand-in-hand.
The comibnation of financial and societal pressures place on Meirhage as Belgiums off-road Mercxx are likely enough to drive anyone to do something stupid.
I was reading a great article about that a while back in a magazine....I just can't recall which one tho! it was last year I think.SuspectDevice said:
drugs (or any performance enhancing drugs) are in almost every sport.
Well if there is a list of illigal drugs is it that difficult - either you do it or you don't?
I saw a special on Ben Johnson about a month ago that was a very interesting look into doping at the highest level of sport. The basic idea of it is yes, doping is wrong, but at that level everyone is doping so it just becomes part of the sport. People gain performance advantages any way they can (running extra thin tubing on an xc frame to shave weight, etc.), doping is just an extension of that using the body as the method.
That said, I'd love to see the sport completely clean but thats a pipe dream.
That said, I'd love to see the sport completely clean but thats a pipe dream.
I don't think DH'ers are making enough these days to cover the costs of a "program"....
Don't fall into that line of thought. The top few make some money, enough for the have nots to try anything to make it to the top. Things like HGH are not that expensive, easy to get, beneficial to any athlete include DHers and for now undetectable.rockracing said:
HGH is pretty powerful stuff..many think it's only to gain big muscles - but that's not the only thing you gain! from what I hear it give you better eyesight, heal faster, more endurance, etc...Westy said:
Acadian said:
This is a very interesting read
http://outside.away.com/outside/bodywork/200311/200311_drug_test_1.html
Not DH related but you'll get the point.
HGH helps the body recover much faster, imagine being able to cram 6 months of training into 2. Every wonder how some pro's bounce back from injury so fast while everyone else seems to take forever?
dude...I read that article in Outside a few months back...I was like WOW!!Westy said:
A friend gave me the article after we were discussing the use of drugs in the Olympics and TDF etc. After which I was curious and did a little internet searching. If what I read is true, for a few hundred bucks and a trip to Tijuana anyone can be a doper. It just seems too easy, and extremely tempting for someone as driven to succeed as a pro.Acadian said:
There are thousands - THOUSANDS - of clean racers out there trying hard to get sponsors. This guy cheated his way into one of the top positions and in doing so beat out a bunch of clean riders. He was paid well and got to travel the world riding his bike. The whole thing was a lie. Maybe he would have been a top rider without it. He's got talent, determination, etc. None of that matters anymore, there will always be an asterisk next to his name. Always.
Yeah, he admitted it, so what? Think he would of done that if he didn't get caught? I don't think so. He didn't feel guilty enough about lying to his sponsors, his fans, and his colleagues to admit anything until he got caught. Read the few interviews he has done since. He's not sorry he doped, he's sorry he got caught.
Remember that image of him winning a race and flexing big time over the finish line? How long ago was that? Looked a little freaky to me. Any reason to believe he wasn't doping from the start?
And do you think Specialized is psyched about sponsoring more elite racers? How about other sponsors? Think they want to be associated with a sport that continues to expose dopers?
I used to be a fan. It's just sad.
Yeah, he admitted it, so what? Think he would of done that if he didn't get caught? I don't think so. He didn't feel guilty enough about lying to his sponsors, his fans, and his colleagues to admit anything until he got caught. Read the few interviews he has done since. He's not sorry he doped, he's sorry he got caught.
Remember that image of him winning a race and flexing big time over the finish line? How long ago was that? Looked a little freaky to me. Any reason to believe he wasn't doping from the start?
And do you think Specialized is psyched about sponsoring more elite racers? How about other sponsors? Think they want to be associated with a sport that continues to expose dopers?
I used to be a fan. It's just sad.
Stolen Underground
Get on the boat kids. :heart:
Get on the boat kids. :heart:
I could care less if "everybody's doing it" it is still BS, and there are still plenty of clean racers (usually found mid to back of the pack). I feel for them, screw him.He got busted. Boo frikkin' hoo. Get outta town buddy.
I am pretty sure that 99% of the pro DH guys don't do any sort of non recreation drug. EPO is pretty much useless, and steroids aren't needed to develop mass. Let's be honest, peaty does beer, many others do pot. Not exactly performance enhancing.
I do not personally condone either and go by the mantra: there is a list of drugs you CANNOT TAKE. Follow the list. If you ignore it, it is your own fault and i laugh at you when you get busted and turned into a fool.
I can't comment on HGH. I know a ton about it from running Track, but it was just in it's infancy then and I''m not sure to what extent it is used for cycling purposes, mickey can probably say. I am also not sure if it is actually on th ebanned substances list.
I am pretty sure that 99% of the pro DH guys don't do any sort of non recreation drug. EPO is pretty much useless, and steroids aren't needed to develop mass. Let's be honest, peaty does beer, many others do pot. Not exactly performance enhancing.
I do not personally condone either and go by the mantra: there is a list of drugs you CANNOT TAKE. Follow the list. If you ignore it, it is your own fault and i laugh at you when you get busted and turned into a fool.
I can't comment on HGH. I know a ton about it from running Track, but it was just in it's infancy then and I''m not sure to what extent it is used for cycling purposes, mickey can probably say. I am also not sure if it is actually on th ebanned substances list.
Yeah, HGH, RGBH and all other precursors, derivatives and related compunds are banned, tested for and otherwise lip-serviced.
That doesn't do a damn bit of good as our current testing schema is garbage, and the WADA will always be ~8 months behind the Big Pharma.
That doesn't do a damn bit of good as our current testing schema is garbage, and the WADA will always be ~8 months behind the Big Pharma.
I agree, the masking agents are big $ and are always a few steps ahead. This is why i like the whole self policing action going on. They don't want the sport to get polluted with that kind of nonsense. He treated it like DH was a seperate sport where that was ok. Oh i cant do XC cuz i got busted, so Ill go do DH as its a second rate sport and no one will care.SuspectDevice said:
Sod off wanker! I can just hear pagey saying that too..ha
"Meirhage is and will always be one of the best XC riders in the World.
Whether he is on EPO or Chronic bud.
Guy wants to show up and ride and race alittle DH then thats sick!!"
Stik, you can just stay in the pits and shut up.
Non-rider.
Whether he is on EPO or Chronic bud.
Guy wants to show up and ride and race alittle DH then thats sick!!"
Stik, you can just stay in the pits and shut up.
Non-rider.
This entire post makes no sense. Please reformulate and try again.trailpoacher said:
Do any of you guys know how corrupt the UCI's doping policy is? They all but turn a blind eye. A soigneur told me that if a normal red blood cell count is like 25, 75 is considered failing. They use the excuse "Every body is different" to set high levels. Its all crap. They are as bad as Major League Baseball.
People talk about Philipe like he is the only one. He isn't. He's just the one who got caught. A friend of mine raced pro in Europe and told horror storries about what goes on in the pro ranks. They still treat doping like we treat speeding.
EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread and it looks like you guys do realized how f*ed up the UCI is when it comes to drugs.
Faster racers=more excitement=more fans=more money
The UCI isn't out to bust anyone, they are just out to keep everything equal.
People talk about Philipe like he is the only one. He isn't. He's just the one who got caught. A friend of mine raced pro in Europe and told horror storries about what goes on in the pro ranks. They still treat doping like we treat speeding.
EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread and it looks like you guys do realized how f*ed up the UCI is when it comes to drugs.
Faster racers=more excitement=more fans=more money
The UCI isn't out to bust anyone, they are just out to keep everything equal.
Exactly, he "WAS" a great racer, so why sauce up?trailpoacher said:
Guy wants to show up and taint the DH scene with his sauced up ways, that aint sick, it was what it was-which is why he got ran off the mountain...loser.
I will never shut up pinhead so deal with it.
ExactlyRepack said:
Some get caught others don't (and some will never be caught because they are always one step beyond)
But that's the 'risk' they take to be a 'top' racer.
When they get caught = the end of their PRO-carreer...
but they still do it anyway, so it must be worth the ultimate price ???
People do stupid things under pressure and especially when there's a lot of money involved.
Shooting at Meirhage is so easy, he had a weak moment and did the most stupid thing he could have done as a pro racer, got caught, admits it...but that does not mean he's a 'bad guy' in real life.
He went back to what he likes to most about MTB and that's DH.
Yes, he did ride/race DH before he was racing pro-XC...and he was good at it.
Don't think he will make the same mistake again, but that is not that difficult because he doesn't race anymore.
This man speaks the truth. The UCI have a vested interest in keeping the sport at the drug-assisted level that it is now at.Repack said:
Spotted at Les Gets.....Filip wandering around the 4X finals complete with VIP pass round his neck, I thought it was a nice touch to see the UCI still looking after cheating scumbag ex-world champs. Whether or not the sport is rife with these cheats and he is just the one that got caught, he still took drugs and cheated. I, along with my buddies at the race, was pretty sickened to see someone like him being welcomed with such open arms.
An ex. Meirhage fan.
An ex. Meirhage fan.
You should read what I wrote before, and how people reacted.Tenacious Doug said:
has anyone pictures from Livigno or maybe a link....there are no pics ;(
yeah ! THANKS !!
and now foking Tyler Hamilton...WTF!!!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/sep04/sep21news3
and
http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/6984.0.html
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/sep04/sep21news3
and
http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/6984.0.html