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  1. sstalder5

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    Coming back from the beach a few days ago my car, a 2002 Subaru Outback, started sputtering like I was running out of gas. I wasn't. I stopped and checked everything out under the hood, but nothing seemed wrong. The check engine light wasn't on and when I started driving again and the problem went away. It drove fine for two days then the problem came back only worse. Now it stalls 2-3 seconds before accelerating. Its going to the shop tomorrow but I want to have something to tell them besides "my car no workie, take my money please."

    The only possible lead I have is that my check engine light has been off and on for about the last month and is signalling the catalytic converter, but it hasn't come on in about a week. Oh and I have leaky head gaskets, but I keep the oil every few days and keep it at the proper level, and that is being fixed in two weeks.

    Help? :)
     
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  2. eric strt6

    eric strt6 Resident Curmudgeon

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    my 2001 volvo had a similar stuttering problem. Turned out to be a faulty ignition control module. good thing the module had a 10 yr emissions warranty and the replacement was a covered repair
     
  3. stoney

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    Go to O'Riley or autozone and buy an obd2 reader. There is a plug under the dash. It will give you codes (p####) that you can then search for on NASIOC.com.
    At least go in educated.
     
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    Better getcha some.
     
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    Autozone will let you use an OBD2 scanner for free (other than CA).
     
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    DirtMcGirk <b>WAY</b> Dumber than N8 (to the power of ten alm

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    Similar situation here with a 2005 Mazda 3. Last year it would sputter while sitting at lights. It wouldn't do it everytime, but it was frequent. The engine light came on after about a month of having the issue. It made trying to accelerate with the manual transmission interesting to say the least... First thing I did was take it to my moms mechanic, who cleared all the codes and whatnot in the computer. It ran fine for a little bit after that, but soon it started to do the same thing again.

    In the end it turned out to be a faulty bypass valve of some sort. I watched the mechanic put the plastic tube on and then wanted to donkey punch myself for paying for the labour for it! It took the guy longer to drive over to Mazda to pick up the part than it did to put it on. But in the end, that one little plastic part made the car run well again.
     
  8. sstalder5

    sstalder5 Turbo Monkey

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    I'm aware... But its a 2002 2.5 phase 2 outback. It was inevitable. :think:
     
  9. DirtyMike

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    Sounds like you need to address the head gasket before you need the whole motor replaced. My money says the condition now is related.


    To expand on that thought a bit for you... With a blown head gasket, your pushing coolant out the exhaust, maybe a little, maybe alot... That can contaminate your o2 sensors, plug up your cat and throw everything off. On top of that as your coolant level drops below were the actual sensor is mounted<always hi on the engine> it stops giving the correct temp to the PCM, combine innaccurate temp signal with contaminated o2's and you have a vehicle that thinks its alot colder than it is trying to either back off the fuel elvel or max it out.... all this menas it runs like ****.

    To continue just a bit more..... Your probably getting water into the oil as well reducing the ability to keep the engine lubricated properly, actually making a sticky build up which can actually keep the oil from getting to the cylinder walls altogether... that equals damaged rings and cylinders........
     
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    I figured it was related to the head gasket problem. Everything is getting fixed tomorrow. I got my parents to help pay for it so I could get everything fixed at once. The only symptom of the leaky head gaskets I've seen until now is a slow oil drip..
     
  11. MMike

    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    Really? I'm the first one??

    TRY IT NOW!!!!
     
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    That only works for jeep owners....
     
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    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    Sadly....it doesn't.....
     
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    Speaking of jeeps..... Isnt yours due to break down right about now?
     
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    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    SHHHHHH!!!

    Actually I have an appointment...

    It's dripping something and I'm PRETTY sure the awful noise it's making is a wheel bearing.

    As the noise goes away when I veer slightly to the right, I THINK it's a front right wheel bearing.

    (I never drive it. So I did the other day. I get on the highway, and it's just roaring at me. I ask my wife about it...."Oh yeah it's been doing that for a while."......facepalm)
     
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    vaccum leak.....
     
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    fuel filter and La Autozona for free scanner check.
     
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    asuuredly
     
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    That noise is just god telling you to veer into a bridge abutment.
     
  20. IH8Rice

    IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

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    the bad cat musta messed up your muffler bearings. buy the ceramic replacement ones.
     
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    I'd check spark plug condition first.
     
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    No spark plugs, it has the neutron recriminator mod.
     
  23. DirtyMike

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    4x4 or 4x2?



    Yes... its a subaru


    With a blown head gasket.... you know they are fouled with coolant
     
  24. stoney

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    You know that you can buy oem parts online for way less than a dealer, right? Of your wheel bearing OS blown, find out what needs to be replaced end leave with your car. Come back with the right parts later.
     
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    Thats an absolutly true statement... same thing for your bikes too.....

    Question is... do you have the tools and knowhow to install said parts
     
  26. CrabJoe StretchPants

    CrabJoe StretchPants Reincarnated Crab Walking Head Spinning Bruce Dick

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    Took me 3 tools and 45 minutes to replace the wheel bearing on my WJ (same as MMikes).
     
  27. MMike

    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    It's a 4x4. Full time.

    And do not say "well it could be a cv joint"
     
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    believe it or not....people can actually fix their own cars.
     
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    Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings nowadays. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads, and I'm gonna need 'bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State.

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    No not a cv joint........ but it is possible that its a front carrier bearing.....
     
  31. DirtyMike

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    FTFY

    Most cannot.... I see first hand what people do to their vehicles when they dont know how to do it right....... probably 60% of what I work on I am fixing what the customer did before I can find what the original problem was.

    Most dangerous thing I see the general public do.... go to Autozone, get a code scan, buy the related part and go home and install it.......Codes dont normally give you the exact problem, just which sensor is reading the problem.... still have to find the root problem.
     
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  32. stoney

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    Concur. Are you telling me that you'll turn down labor fees if someone brings their own parts in though?

    Still, I'll take my car in to have labor done when I don't have time to do it myself. Those times I bring all of my own parts in with me, but I might be the exception... Then again, I alprefer to do preventative maintenance so I have few (if any) unexpected problems.

    I have come into far more issues with mechanics discovering problems that aren't actually there though... I had one diagnose a blown turbo on my Forester three weeks after I had just replaced it. I have come to terms that when I do need to have deep engine or transmission work done, I will be going to a race shop.
     
  33. CrabJoe StretchPants

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    Please take a camera with you so you can capture the look on the guys' faces when you bring a Forester to a race shop. Then kindly share it with us.
     
  34. IH8Rice

    IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

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    but its got a STi engine in it! :rant:
     
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    am almost certain the problems are related.
    have the head gasket fixed/inspected first, then decide if the repair is worth the hassle.

    the leaky gasket could have fuxxored the catalytic converter. if you, you are in for an even more expensive repair because you did not take care of the head gasket in time.
     
  36. DirtyMike

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    Well.... yeah I turn it down because I have way too much paying work to do to install parts the custmer brought themselves...... On top of that I still have to warranty my work. Translation is that I install your part, it goes bad, I still have to warranty the labor, that means your car will be sitting on my rack costing me money while you take the part back to get another....

    Installing customers parts is beyond a pain in the ass in the long run, not only just being a pain in the ass it cuts into profits substantially. You gotta understand most of the profit from autoshops is made from the parts, every business out thre marks up the product they sell.... its just how it goes.

    You sound like the classic I got effed by a mechanic, so they must all be thieves kinda guy, sadly thats our biggest obstacle to overcome with automotive. People that have this mindset that we are just a bunch of thieves. Sadly there are those out there that really do deserve this reputation, it ruins it for the majority of us.


    One more thing to keep in mind over all this, for the most part I will get the job done substantially faster than you will, I have lifts ready, drain barrels, parts on hand, more experience..... and about 164K worth of tools sitting in my box's<no joke, we just did an inventory on everyones box's for insurance>.


    On the note of the race shop..... thats just a naive statement..... Most race shops are were you will find the most hacks doing work. The phrase you are looking for is specialty shop.

    Dont get me wrong, if you can do it, by all means wrench away. No reason why if your capable you shouldnt be saving for yourself when you can, but make no mistake, the number of people wo can do it properly vs those who cause more problems than they fix is very slim.
     
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    dont mock the foresters.
    there was a Forester sti, which back in the day, could be made into a WRC killer for a fraction of the cost.

    a few years ago, local rally regulations allowed for an "SUV category", which allowed sti foresters to run with intake-unrestricted engines.

    they were pushing 450hp, topping at 300km/h in the straights and absolutely destroying all Group N cars.
    they were clocking times near, and in some stages (specially on tarmac), beating the times of ex-WRC cars.
     
  38. Brian HCM#1

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    The downside to bring in your own part is if the part is defective. You'll end up paying labor twice, as they won't warranty the part you brought in. I used to do most of my own work, but now I no longer have the time, plus with all the computer, fuel injection stuff it's to much work to try and diagnose what's going on. I found a great independent mechanic that does great work and is reasonably priced.
     
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    the good thing about bringing your own part is not getting screwed at the ridiculous price inflation by the shop
     
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    still the #1 vehicle of lesbians across the globe.