shooting @ va tech west a.j. & norris dorms
i know this area pretty well; had lots of friends who went there in late 80's
i know this area pretty well; had lots of friends who went there in late 80's
suck it, concordia!
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Horrible.
Too bad n8 wasn't there, he would have just flashed his .45...
Too bad n8 wasn't there, he would have just flashed his .45...
sucks when the only armed person in a "Gun Free Zone" is the homicidal killer...
Speaking from personal experience, the type of kid who would actually bring a gun into a classroom is not the type of kid you would want to pack heat in a classroom.
I knew 3 kids while in college who had permits to carry and actually did. Two were drug dealers and the other was mentally ustable to say the least. The ones that were permitted and responsible didn't bother because they didn't need to carry.
seems you hang out with an odd crowd
i've noticed a pattern w/ your posts: you take the extreme position & make this unexpressed position someone else's.
that being said, would it be fair for me to suggest we should do nothing and this type of incident would be preventable? could any of our actions make this outburst preventable? maybe we shouldn't be concerned w/ direct prevention, as this is (apparently) an intractable problem.
howsa bout the russian approach, where they go after anybody related to the offenders X10? a little barbaric, yes, but a pound of flesh could help those in their hour of need.
You need to get back to basics...armed militias. That'll fix yer wagons right up good.
i hope you appreciate the thread title; i had you people in mind.
anyone else here think this new high water mark of mortality is "inspirational" toward a more than a few who walk among us? given the proper planning, this number can easily be eclipsed by someone w/ only moderate training.
Properly planned and executed it could be a lot worse too. Get a few lackies involved and the carnage would be exponential. Think of that hollywood bank shootout combined with one part columbine and say a mall the day after Turkey day. It couldn't be that no one has thought of it yet or had the ability to execute it. I can only guess basic human nature has prevented it or it would have already happened, a few times.
from one year and 2.5 months ago according to the website. Still just as ironic though.
Oh but I did. Very appreciative. Still, Concordia's episode paled in comparison to Ecole Polytechnique.
But when Fabrikant went bitch cakes, he f'ed my GPA. He popped the guy that usually taught the Engineering Economics course. traditionally that had been a bo-bo course. But when Dr. Saber got it, they brought in a prof from the ECON dept. He seemd to have an axe to grind with the Eng students. So he made it a high level ECON course.
Needless to say many people did not do well.
One word: Anthrax.
Yeah they sell it right next to the fishing tackle at Walmart
Hell...you could probably do as much damage with TrimSpa...Yeah they sell it right next to the fishing tackle at Walmart
wokwokwok...
Well we do know the victims having guns doesn't help the Israelis or the troops in Iraq when you have a determined suicide bomber
exactly.
what we need to do is disarm everyone & put CCTV cameras on every corner.
then we'd be safe.
Holy crap! He shot one person. Two hours later, he got the rest. The school didn't shut everything down after the first shooting....That's some good decision making right there........
Well, one gun on the opposite side could have put an end to it, right quickly.
But alas, it was a gun-free school zone, and apparently this guy missed the sign. So he was the only one with a gun, minus the police who didn't get there quite so quickly.
I'm not a rabid pro-gun person, but I do see them as tools to be used by the unjust and the just alike. Banning them just takes them out of the hands of the just.
so could have a well placed abortion 2 decades ago.
you changing your avatar any time soon? it's very menacing.
sorry to have such a smart-assed post, but i just can't help wonder if residents of london & other disarmed european cities feel as safe as we do. can't explain it fully, but i feel very safe stateside. knowing that n8 can pop off a few arbitrary rounds from the comfort his fj7 with the only damage being small burns on his heated leather seats from ejected shells is an added bonus.
Better tell all those gun-armed British criminals that they're behind the times...
The fact is that criminals will always find a way to break the law and try to out-arm the law-abiding. If guns simply didn't exist, they could carry clubs when they're out to hurt people, and the law-abiding couldn't do the same thing because "civilized people don't carry clubs."
Look, I'm a security professional, and people with guns who aren't part of my security plan make me very nervous. But I'm also not against giving individuals a choice to protect themselves, should they wish to assume it, when they're not under my protection, and people simply aren't under the protection of a credible security force all the time. Inside a military base, embassy, or federal building, yeah. Not out and around town or on campus...we don't have the resources or money, nor do we want the restrictions, that come with having the expensive and obtrusive security measures that enable prevention of and instantaneous response to events like this tragedy.
There are obvious possible tragedies that could have come from someone armed trying to take on this psycho...he shoots the wrong person or is shot by the cops as they come on-scene...but those possibilities are outweighed by the devestation this asshole wrought.
The fact is that criminals will always find a way to break the law and try to out-arm the law-abiding. If guns simply didn't exist, they could carry clubs when they're out to hurt people, and the law-abiding couldn't do the same thing because "civilized people don't carry clubs."
Look, I'm a security professional, and people with guns who aren't part of my security plan make me very nervous. But I'm also not against giving individuals a choice to protect themselves, should they wish to assume it, when they're not under my protection, and people simply aren't under the protection of a credible security force all the time. Inside a military base, embassy, or federal building, yeah. Not out and around town or on campus...we don't have the resources or money, nor do we want the restrictions, that come with having the expensive and obtrusive security measures that enable prevention of and instantaneous response to events like this tragedy.
There are obvious possible tragedies that could have come from someone armed trying to take on this psycho...he shoots the wrong person or is shot by the cops as they come on-scene...but those possibilities are outweighed by the devestation this asshole wrought.
Been thinking about it; any suggestions? The old cartoon bunny was fun...
Well, feeling safe and being safe are two different things...
I didn't grow up with or around guns. But in my career path, I've gotten to know lots of those who do and have...and the enduring truth is that criminals are criminals, the law-abiding are the law-abiding, whatever they're holding in their hands, and criminals don't follow laws.
Crime committed by those with a permit to carry a handgun does exist, for sure, (probably most likely crimes of passion type incidents) but the vast majority of those who commit crimes with them are not permitted firearms.
That said, there IS a huge availabilty of handguns to criminals here because of the easy availability of guns purchased legally, and I think that should be made more difficult...this gives some gun people apoplexy, but it doesn't much bother me.
Jesus christ........yes MikeD I would in fact feel safe if you were the guy with the gun. Your avatar gives me confidence.
But have you seen a pic of n8? His hand would fly off if he actually had anything of a significant caliber to keep merica safe.
But have you seen a pic of n8? His hand would fly off if he actually had anything of a significant caliber to keep merica safe.
Yes and yes.
irate2:
Question: After watching the evening news (and hearing Bush's statement...I had to wonder if a loving God might have had the guy shoot himself in the face before he fired bullets into 60+ people..but, that's another thread) I got the impression that a bunch of highly armed and armored law enforcement types were just hanging out listening to the guy shoot people for two hours.
Surely that isn't the case? It's crappy local news (of course they had to go to UCLA and USC to get the "local" angle...like anyone gives a flying ****...) so I'm not expecting much.
Surely that isn't the case? It's crappy local news (of course they had to go to UCLA and USC to get the "local" angle...like anyone gives a flying ****...) so I'm not expecting much.
Sadly, it most likely was. Since Columbine, many places have put together 'active shooter' plans, but some also haven't. And even those that have might still balk at actually having to execute one, or political policy imposed on the police might prevent them from taking a risk and going in there. Honestly don't know what the story at Blacksburg was, but it's certainly a possibility.
this is the corollary of extreme boredom punctuated with short bursts of urgency. this particular police force - it seems - has proven itself to be lacking in any usefulness. and so, people will vigorously argue police do in kind.
they were protecting whom, exactly?
It's probably unnoticable in the shadow of the chaps and ball gag.