Well then sounds like we need to start taking more from the top 1% then...... We could even like, bring back the Regan tax scale, and bring back the estate tax, and capitol gains tax, and all those other taxes that ONLY apply to the rich that went bye bye. We could also divert all that welfare money going to the top 1%, I bet that couple trillion would help.
Suck it, unions!! (part 2326)
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Tax EVERYONE more. Either that or cut our military spending by 85%, cut farm subsidies to zero, reduce the amount paid back to states to equal whatever they pay in, etc. Then index the top income tax rate to the gap between the top 1% and the bottom 50%. The bigger the gap between the top 1% and the bottom 50%, the higher the top income tax bracket is. Maybe start out at 90%, and if we can get the income gap back to the median rate between 1940s and 1970s (where the top 10% earned ~33% of the income, compared to today where it's almost 50% of the income) they can get their income tax rate to drop back to where it is today.
Deal?
uhh...i've never approached being rich, but that didn't stop the yrs i've paid capital gains tax from being
so now tax breaks are welfare? you know what welfare is, & how it's created, right?
ok, with you so far
wouldn't this equate to significant across the board job losses? not just active duty who won't re-up from no more reinlistment bonuses, but various defense programs used to keep a lot of small businesses afloat [yes, i'm in one]
someone explain to me why this albatross is still around? seems to me the same people who clamor for union busting would also clamor for the end of farm subsidies
90%? political suicide, even though it probably translates to 358 total votes nationwide. the money the gov't would get would instead be used to sink the campaign of someone foolish enough to tip their hand toward the very notion
Way more votes than that because most people in this country have this delusion that they are going to be extravagantly wealthy at some future date and damned if the government is going to unfairly tax them when they get theirs...but I digress...
Yes, WELFARE, government corn subsidies, oil subsidies, no bid contracts in Iraq, the bank bailout, it's all WELFARE to the rich.
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." -John Steinbeck
Do you wear Che' t-shirts and have dreads?
I can't wait until you get into the big, bad real world. I was like you until I had to start working; Idealism works great until you have to pay for it...
Then again, you've already stated that you want to live off the teat indefinitely so you might never learn what it's like to have your money taken from you.
ummm, no. I don't, ever. I actually shower daily and shave, I'm also not down for a socialist revolution that involves that much killing.
Ummmm, once I get into the real world I still wont mind paying for it. I've watched too many friends and family members get way to screwed over with things like medical bills. If you're sick and dieing, or need an education I'm more than happy to have my tax dollars help. Sorry if you let your greed take over.......
ummm no, again you fail. I'm paying for my entire engineering myself degree and once I'm out of school I'm going to be designing REAL THINGS that can be produced and used to actually help the economy. Unlike you, who works in the financial industry, you work for an industry who has taken and turned EVERYTHING into a commodity, artificially raising the price to line the pockets of the investors. Your industry also took a TRILLION DOLLAR WELFARE CHECK, so before you talk down to me about living off the teat I suggest you have a nice big glass of shut the hell up.
lol
- getting "screwed over" with medical bills is better than being below ground
- there are already a wide array of programs in place to assist w/ both medical & education, some tax payer funded, some private
- to the best of my knowledge, there is no debtors' prison for medical expenses
- please tell us your thoughts on people who operate outside our tax system, yet receive the benefits without burden or expectation of payment
designing guidance systems to bomb browns requires proper engineering, and greatly helps the economy.
you're welcome
you know what an 'investor' is, right? do you know what 'risk' is? aren't you taking a risk by investing in your future by getting an education? would you like to be rewarded for your investment? do you believe that should come w/o guilt or obligation to the grabbing hands, grab all they can?
- the social medical programs are inadequate as is the education system. we spend twice as much per capita as every other nation, yet are sitting in 33rd in care behind 32 social programs, if you want to ignore that fact then you're a fool. Perfect example, my high school didn't have enough text books for every student.
-No, but I know people who have lost their houses.
-They are scumbags and need to pay their taxes, but I would also be willing to bet that the top 1% scams ten times what the bottom 99% percent does combined.
No no, I would move to Israel if I wanted to do that
But it's not an investment if it's something like oil EVERYONE needs, you're simply artificially inflating the price. Investing in my education makes me more productive later on, investing in a computer company helps them produce better products. Investing in things like energy and water just means you have the extra cash to buy in so everyone else has to pay more.
You're going to want to freshen up that talking point with Frank Luntz a little.
i'm more influence by jack donaghy, thx
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp
prices on fuel could be eased by the lifting of the moratorium on drilling in the gulf, but it's easier to score political points by calling big oil the boogeyman. oh, and what are the profits of big oil? well, they're set to spike to rival 2008 prices, which are still far, far short of what big gov't collects:
(fun fact: price for gallon of gas has *more than* doubled since obama has taken office; are you only now wanting to recognize the global supply/demand?)
also, further breakdown to help estimate profits, which seem to be on the order of 5%, which is far less than the 30-40% state/fed taxes (varies by state):
http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.html
do you have any thoughts on the disparity b/t big gov't -vs- big oil vis-a-vis the distribution of gas prices? is it relevant, comprehensive, & honest?
Stay vague to avoid any pesky facts.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jun/21/orrin-hatch/hatch-says-30-percent-our-oil-comes-gulf/
How much has gulf oil production slowed, and how has that been represented in current costs increases? Im not saying Obama cant/should do better, but if gulf oil production is your magic fix, I think you got fed a line.
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well i guess you could claim that i'm trying to say that the oil market is global, and the only thing approaching a quick (albeit short-sighted) fix would be to empty our reserves.
which i believe would be true.
i wonder what other system has been fallaciously addressed with the construct "let's inject more of X today [on loan, of course], and worry about putting it back or using less of it at a later time, ignoring that it won't really deliver us, and in fact will cause greater future harm than present good"
also, when is someone going to reign in big art. we were told about this problem 5 yrs ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/arts/design/13met.html?_r=1
which i believe would be true.
i wonder what other system has been fallaciously addressed with the construct "let's inject more of X today [on loan, of course], and worry about putting it back or using less of it at a later time, ignoring that it won't really deliver us, and in fact will cause greater future harm than present good"
also, when is someone going to reign in big art. we were told about this problem 5 yrs ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/arts/design/13met.html?_r=1
Can we have a Joker vs Montashu thread so this crap can stay contained in one place?
Lol who am I kidding, this is why I come to PAWN
Lol who am I kidding, this is why I come to PAWN
Fun fact, they also doubled under bush, the gas prices are obama being a pussy and not reversing bush policies. Gas prices went from about 30 to 100$ a barrel since bush. at 1.50$ a gallon that's about 1$ per gallon over the price of crude. At 4$ a gallon at 100$ a barrel that's 2$ a gallon over crude. The fact that exxon has spent the past few years regularly breaking it's own record for corporate profits is good evidence of that.
funner fact: my net worth doubled each bush term. should i thank clinton?
also i was unemployed for nearly a year, and yet i paid my house off, both under obama. should i thank bush?
yes you white devil.
What do you do for work?
Do you or your bosses suckle off of the government teat in The Complex, be it military-industrial/technology, medical, prison/educational, entertainment or petrochemical?
If you do, you/and/or your employers are part of the problem yo.
Don't pretend that a bunch of think-tank driven bull**** talking points doesn't mean that your industry isn't heavily subsidized or effected by preferential procurement policies, lobbying tax breaks and incentives for your boss and your board of directors.
If your job is touched in any way by law, be it federal or local you are relying on a system, one that is far, far, far from democratic, equitable and sustainable.
As citizens we can blow as much hot air as we want about politics and go nowhere.
You are disenfranchised, I am disenfranchised, the vast majority of the citizens and business owners in this country are disenfranchised.
Our system of government will never be fixed, will never be equitable, will never be transparent.
If recent world events show us anything it's that the American project as conceived in our founding documents and lionized by our Propgandic Idealists has failed. Done.
The moneyed interests with a "voice" will continue to leach out the spirit and vitality of our population and crush the legitimacy of our system of governance until the very last serf has been silenced and subjugated.
We can vote with our fists- we can vote with our voices- we can vote at the barricades and we can vote with our consent- but as long as we, as a population sit idly by as our educational system is systematically raped, as our brains are scrambled by irrational voices and our collective identity as Americans is systematically destroyed by intentional factionalization and bald faced lies nothing will change.
Equality is a pipe dream. Civil society does not exist. Reason is dead.
The Revolution is not coming.
Here in 2011, the political Cartesian plane has imploded. Neo-Liberalism, Neo-Conservatism and religious fundamentalism have intersected and are fissioning into an intractable, vicious black hole.
Sell your house. Sell your car. Sell most of your bikes and head to the hills with seeds, guns, women and brewing equipment. Bring a few goats and a pile of hallucinogens and live out the rest of your days enjoying what few freedoms we have left.
I'm serious.
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i don't think writing software to better forecast space weather events, deliver packages, better protect enterprise systems against ukranian hackers, or streamline medical evaluations by converting from paper to electronic part of any problem that i'm able to recognize.
maybe that means i need to buy an indian & ride it across the country w/ an estimated holden caufield accent until i get my mind right. who knows, perhaps i'll get an exotic std to complete my experience, b/c if i pursue uniqueness for its own sake, i've "arrived"?
nor any other, before, during, or after today. i fail to see how that should influence you, me, or anyone.
that's very ecclesiastical of you
i don't doubt you for a second
shoddy union workmanship....
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2014889233_apusboeingholeinplane.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2014889233_apusboeingholeinplane.html
Total Red Herring. I see sh*tty sheet metal work all the time and no one is unionized where I'm employed.
quiet you....Total Red Herring. I see sh*tty sheet metal work all the time and no one is unionized where I'm employed.
Puh-lease. The town you live in owes its sole existence, its only reason for being, to the government tit. Nothing in this town exists without the federal government and the money it spends here, even my job in commercial aviation in this town owes its existence to military, contractors, and the people who support them flying in and out. Without the military Colorado Springs would just be another sad, busted, former Colorado mining town, like Victor, or if it was lucky it would have gambling like Cripple Creek or Blackhawk, maybe tourism like Ouray or Durango. The implication that something else goes on here besides the largest welfare program ever devised is
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i must be missing out, b/c all the cheddar flung my way has been earned.
but taking your point further, what major metro areas thrive w/o a significant military presence? if there are any - and there probably are - i would expect it be due to non-depletable natural resources (summit & marin counties come to mind). even university towns have ongoing military research (LANL, utah state, JPL, johns hopkins).
so what's your final point? that this town & those like it exist purely at the pleasure of the military industrial complex, and perhaps also the bilderbergs & carlyle group? am i a latent socialist balls deep in denial? i get the vibe you're disgusted with something in particular, but can't figure what precisely. can you gant chart it, or give a waterfall or venn diagram?
but taking your point further, what major metro areas thrive w/o a significant military presence? if there are any - and there probably are - i would expect it be due to non-depletable natural resources (summit & marin counties come to mind). even university towns have ongoing military research (LANL, utah state, JPL, johns hopkins).
so what's your final point? that this town & those like it exist purely at the pleasure of the military industrial complex, and perhaps also the bilderbergs & carlyle group? am i a latent socialist balls deep in denial? i get the vibe you're disgusted with something in particular, but can't figure what precisely. can you gant chart it, or give a waterfall or venn diagram?
1. You'll have to excuse the prior post, it was written under the heavy influence of homebrew.
2. I'll stand behind the statement, it could have been written better for sure but the point is made.
The final point is this. Yes, the "city" of Colorado Springs exists solely @ the discretion of the military and government spending. Please don't insult mine or your intelligence by saying that to think so is on par with desmondo/3d/renegadeRick bilderberg/carlyle conspiracy theories. Military support and whack job homosexual pastors are the only two industries in this town, and you know it. LOTS of other towns exist without the Government teat. In fact I would hazard a guess that if Government spending on the military dissapeard tomorrow most cities would be fine. Portland OR and Fresno CA are two large-ish cities I've lived in who's only military connection have been some small ANG bases. San Diego has a LARGE military base but if it went away tomorrow that city would still survive because they have other stuff going on there. This town would dry up and blow away like a fart in the wind if the Federal Government pulled all if its money out. Its incredibly ironic that so many small government tea-tard whack jobs live hear given the fact that almost all of them have jobs that depend on the military spending money here, or who in fact are military retirees who see no irony at all in collecting what amounts to public service union pensions and socialized health care for life. Your right, the hypocrisy disgusts me.
not my point to compare those 2.
hug?
mmm...nope
"we" would become the new refugees, burdening these edens & demanding our due. you know how uppity gov't white folks can get
if it weren't in CA, i'd agree, but that's another thread
certainly the gov't diploma mills called CTU & U of Phoenix would in an attosecond. but at least pro-rodeo hall of fame would remain largely intact
but it's different.
try it now?
Dude,
Seriously- Colorado Springs?
You live on a different planet if you think you aren't a cog in the VAST SOCIALIST CONSPIRACY.
Seriously- Colorado Springs?
You live on a different planet if you think you aren't a cog in the VAST SOCIALIST CONSPIRACY.
Talk about outdated nomenclature.
Just like the rest of the country you guys are just dry f8cked by THE MAN.
House of cards bro. House of cards.
but, i *am* the man.
i've been assured of this in my most recent performance evaluation.
Mr. Haggard is nothing if not professional...
back to unions "sucking it": Ohio Business Owner Shot For Being Non-Union, Police Investigating
could have been avoided if he had a serge protector
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