He qualified that with AMERICAN. He was one of the best marketing geniuses of our time, nothing to celebrate.
syadasti's jihad against Steve Jobs?
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That's a little dramatic, even for the lounge.Here's another interesting read: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/16/110516fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all
it all started with swooping an idea and capitalizing on the "mindless mass consumerism" of the mouse
Apple products have been nearly what ever printed piece of collateral was created on since we stopped setting type by hand.
Now, that might not mean much to you, as a creative professional it's virtually meant 15 years of trouble free productivity, except the 2 years a previous company tried to get PC's to work in the art department which was frustrating to say the least.
Now, that might not mean much to you, as a creative professional it's virtually meant 15 years of trouble free productivity, except the 2 years a previous company tried to get PC's to work in the art department which was frustrating to say the least.
So just a normal american businessman then?
Does anyone build computers (other than cray's and the like) or consumer elecrtronics in the US anymore????
Nokia has been doing it in the EU for years - higher labor and environmental standards than the US. Even on their cheaper smartphones like the e63 which retailed for around $200 unlocked no subsidies. Worldwide Nokia still sells nearly 6 times as many handsets as Apple and still holds a smartphone marketshare (22 vs 18%) lead over Apple with their outdated Symbian OS (to be phased out in 2012).
Repost, they aren't afraid to show off their factories either:
Quite true, however the Euros (which are a quite distinctly different mindset to the Americans) are quite blatantly not what I was referring to.
As I said "So just a normal American businessman then?"......... For all the American public's patriotism, the American business community seems rather more mercenary and marketing aside, less patriotic in its pursuit of income.
As I said "So just a normal American businessman then?"......... For all the American public's patriotism, the American business community seems rather more mercenary and marketing aside, less patriotic in its pursuit of income.
PS I have a Nokia N97 and its a piece of sh*t!
I hate the thing..... slowest, most bug ridden, un-user friendly (not so)smart phone that I've ever suffered!
And now that Nokia have gone microsoft OS, I'll be eying up something Asian sourced and Android to replace it.
I hate the thing..... slowest, most bug ridden, un-user friendly (not so)smart phone that I've ever suffered!
And now that Nokia have gone microsoft OS, I'll be eying up something Asian sourced and Android to replace it.
I (for some god forsaken reason) still have an AT&T Nokia E71x. I FVCKING HATE IT. Sh1t build quality. Bad seals. Full of dust (under the screen, everywhere) Buggy and slow. Worthless apps from a worthless app store. And lately, it won't receive texts unless I shut it down and restart it. Except the power button broke months ago, so I have to yank the battery out to turn it off.
Moving to T-mobile in a couple weeks. Galaxy S II.
AT&T and Nokia can suck a greasy beanbag.
Yes but it still makes Apple look bad when an older has been phone company can still easily lead them in manufacturing responsibility, ergonomics, and even sales.
I never owned one. The only positive I've heard about their phones in modern context are leadership in phone camera designs. I believe H8R was the lone Nokia owner/cheerleader on here a couple of years ago:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?219330-Nokia-E71x
I never owned one. The only positive I've heard about their phones in modern context are leadership in phone camera designs. I believe H8R was the lone Nokia owner/cheerleader on here a couple of years ago:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?219330-Nokia-E71x
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Is it just me, or has the aforementioned jihad morphed over time?
It used to be centered around Apple products just being inferior to everything else. Now it seems much more focused on shady business practices and non-existent environmental concern.
Maybe it's just my imagination.
It used to be centered around Apple products just being inferior to everything else. Now it seems much more focused on shady business practices and non-existent environmental concern.
Maybe it's just my imagination.
Newsflash, companies aren't static 
Ten years ago Apple stopped making their products in the US (not too long after Jobs returned to Apple). Apple transitioned from a PC to a consumer electronics focused company. Pay attention and you won't have to use your imagination.
Ten years ago Apple stopped making their products in the US (not too long after Jobs returned to Apple). Apple transitioned from a PC to a consumer electronics focused company. Pay attention and you won't have to use your imagination.
Yes it has morphed.... the true godless syadasti is being unmasked.... Turns out he prefers the products manufactured overseas by SOCIALISTS to capitalist products that return their profits to gawdfearing 'merican folk.
Someone alert the teahadists!!!!
I think he might be a closet commie!
From a tech nerd's perspective, syadasti does make a very good point. Apple is making it harder and harder for independent developers to create software for the platform without apple's blessing. They are also making it harder and harder for the owner of apple hardware to use it in any way they want.
The more they lock it down, the more the stifle creativity and ideas. Why? Because every app must be vetted by apple. Its difficult to have innovation when only one perspective is allowed through.
On the other side of the coin however, you could argue that apple carefully controls what content goes on their hardware to better preserve that easy to use interface to keep the average joe comfortable and safe in their computing experience.
Which side is right? I guess you could say people are voting with their wallet, but then again those are the same people who need to be sheppard-ed around their own computer/phone/tablet.
I'm not even going to touch the environmental issue. ALL hardware manufacturers are terrible for the environment, Apple really doesn't stand out to me in that regard.
The more they lock it down, the more the stifle creativity and ideas. Why? Because every app must be vetted by apple. Its difficult to have innovation when only one perspective is allowed through.
On the other side of the coin however, you could argue that apple carefully controls what content goes on their hardware to better preserve that easy to use interface to keep the average joe comfortable and safe in their computing experience.
Which side is right? I guess you could say people are voting with their wallet, but then again those are the same people who need to be sheppard-ed around their own computer/phone/tablet.
I'm not even going to touch the environmental issue. ALL hardware manufacturers are terrible for the environment, Apple really doesn't stand out to me in that regard.
Wrong, Apple can do better, they don't think different. Nokia (mentioned numerous times) does far better in environmental and labor standards and they do it in a stricter standards than the US even, they sell 6 times as many cellular handsets and they still have a larger marketshare than Apple in smartphones (just barely). Greenpeace agrees - Nokia 1st, Apple has dropped to 9th (and they've been outed numerous times for environmental and labor failures, they just don't care). HP ships far more devices than Apple and yet they've made a significant effort to do better over the years.
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/toxics/hi-tech-highly-toxic/company-report-card/
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funny. there are 9 companies listed that are purportedly worse then Apple yet you dont seem to have a vendetta against them.
There's tons of companies out there with a much worse environmental record than Apple. I can agree that pretty much every manufacturing company in the world could always stand to improve their environmental practices, but if you're boycotting/hating Apple simply because of that, there are a ton of other companies out there in the world that deserve your wrath as well.
Congratulations to Nokia. Do you own a nokia phone? If not, do you know how your cell phone company's manufacturing process stacks up against them? If it's worse, why did you buy it instead of a nokia?
None of those other companies ride a wave of smug marketing comparable to the Prius (and yes if you are paying attention I have posted about Toyota too) or charge an industry leading premium for a product made by the lowest bidder in Asia. As I said Apple has never made a significant effort to change either after PR storms blow over.
Other companies also haven't steered the market in a variety of other negative ways you've mentioned or in form over function design choices like glossy screens, cheaper unergonomic touchscreen interfaces, elimination of common user serviceable parts - batteries, memory expansion, rejection of industry standards like micro/mini USB, etc.
The last phone I ordered with my own money was an e63 for my sister:
Other companies also haven't steered the market in a variety of other negative ways you've mentioned or in form over function design choices like glossy screens, cheaper unergonomic touchscreen interfaces, elimination of common user serviceable parts - batteries, memory expansion, rejection of industry standards like micro/mini USB, etc.
The last phone I ordered with my own money was an e63 for my sister:
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I'd rather have a glossy touch screen interface over tiny tactile buttons any day of the week. It's more versatile. That's really personal preference though and a moot point since apple isn't the only company who does it.
I'd rather have an ios phone than a phone running symbian(and I'm no ios lover by any means). I'm guessing nokia doesn't make a phone that android can be loaded on...
Apple made touchscreen centric interfaces popular, none of the prior attempts were popular in anything but limited input kiosks type applications or other special uses. Glossy screens were also made popular by Apple in their PCs, not their phones. Neither of these technologies are ergonomic - they make the experience worse for the end-user and at the same time they lower cost for the manufacturer compared to better options.
Nokia has had public plans to transition away from Symbian for years now, this is old news (they are going to Windows Mobile). Nobody thinks Symbian has a chance in hell against any modern OS, its obsolete. The phone above was purchased for use in CR and it was $180 with NO subsidies brand new, Apple does not compete in that segment.
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wasn't sure where else to post this
I love how you state your opinions as fact.
I have a Nokia E71x. It sucks. The buttons on the keys suck and are a chore to use. The build quality is crap. Since day one there has been problems with dust getting inside and under the screen. The camera is unusable because dust got onto the lens. I've take it apart several times to clean it, and dust gets in within a week or two. The power button doesn't work anymore - the phone is stuck on, and I can't turn it off without popping the battery. The screen is unreadable in bright light. (because the screen sucks, AND it's covered in dust). I've picked up a few recent Nokia models in stores and they are just as underwhelming if not MORE than the E71x.
I've picked up quite a few touch screen devices and they are fast, flexible and easy to use. The newer Samsung devices are gorgeous, so I ordered one, it'll be here next week.
I know you love Nokia's made-in-Europe thing, but all that doesn't mean sh1t. Their phones suck donkey dick.
Jesus. What did she ever do to you?
Because they are.
Glossy screens have more glare, that is a fact. They are cheaper to make and have more brightness vs. anti-glare matte screens given a similar configuration. Apple gave in after enough professional users complained on some of their products and brought the option back.
Touchscreens are less ergonomic, experts agree. They are only suited for limited input such as the kiosks they were first used on. NPR ran a story about touchscreen causing problems for end-users. Apple still has real keyboards/mice and no touchscreen on their real PC/professional devices - they still might not be great, but they are better than touchscreens.
NPR said:
I've always said their current offerings are obsolete and Nokia said they are abandoning them for WP 7.5. You are comparing an old obsolete $200 phone vs. a new $600 phone, no sh*t a modern $600 phone is going to be nicer. A $600 phone that has glass cracking problems if you use the wrong type of case (glassgate). Don't forget you were the one touting Nokia on here a few years ago.
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....and maybe his opinions have changed over the years?
seriously...you should seek help.
I will admit at first I was excited about having an S60 phone and what it (potentially) had to offer. Once the dust settled (literally...right under the screen) I was less than thrilled.
Nokia phones suck. Now they are going to Windows mobile? Ultra suck.
Oh and as for the quotes from your article above - anyone who types on a tablet computer for work 8 hours a day is a fvcking idiot and needs to ask themselves why the fvck they took the job.
I would have carpel tunnel syndrome if I used this Nokia piece of sh1t for more than a few texts or emails a day. The keys on it are just as bad if not worse then typing on a touch screen. At least the touch screen on most devices can be rotated to landscape. The E series Nokias are cramped. (and sh1tty. and stupid. and probably gay...I might be catching the gay just using it...your sister might end up a lesbian with the Nokia you gave her....way to go)
I would have carpel tunnel syndrome if I used this Nokia piece of sh1t for more than a few texts or emails a day. The keys on it are just as bad if not worse then typing on a touch screen. At least the touch screen on most devices can be rotated to landscape. The E series Nokias are cramped. (and sh1tty. and stupid. and probably gay...I might be catching the gay just using it...your sister might end up a lesbian with the Nokia you gave her....way to go)
The point was that students and professionals are connected all the time. Combined with the even worse ergonomics of small devices like smartphones and especially tablets it makes for a ergonomic nightmare - Apple popularized technology which make things worse for the end-user - ergonomics, hell even antenna design was almost completely ignored (and they even had the nerve to claim the iPhone 4 antenna design was "improved" at the keynote in summer 2010).
Nope the ergonomic expert specifically said a touchscreen is even worse since it has zero travel:
And as I've said, I've never disputed that the current Nokia ecosystem is obsolete. Plus you are comparing a mid-level phone which is the same generation as the iPhone 3G, both released summer 2008. There is no comparison that many generations away and Apple doesn't make a phone that cheap. If you are paying three times the price it better be significantly better or you're a fool.
I don't have any interest in WP 7.5 unless it gains momentum - JK has been the one harping on it on RM. There are superior features that seem appealing but like WebOS demonstrated, it doesn't matter - Android and iOS are the primary players for now.
Also this topic has no relevance to the fact that Apple could build the phone in responsible manner rather than going to the lowest bidder like most of the market and largely ignoring the problems with the status quo. The fact that Nokia does responsible manufacturing even on cheaper phones makes that clear - the profit margin in cheaper phones is smaller than flagship phones like the iPhone or the Galaxy S II.
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Again....seek help. This bothers you way too much
(posting from my iPhone.)
(posting from my iPhone.)
Google Voice Actions and even better from DARPA (SIRI) do have accurate/effective voice recognition but you'll still be annoying/look crazy talking to phone or a douche walking around with BT headset in your ear. No problem with ergonomics there but its suitable for the more limited input most people need on their smartphones.
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I would argue that the iPad and iPhone has improves ergonomics. In stead of just using a computer the offer alternatives so you do not have to sit in the same position all the time as you did before with a laptop. I have both devices and I see a positive difference. I have added a holder for the iPad so the viewing angle and is improved.
Any device is bad with overuse but I blame that on the users not the device. There has been warning on keyboards for years and if people do not understand how to moderate use and change position I really find it difficult to blame Apple or any other manufacturer.
As for durability my personal experience and I have only had Nokia phone from 2000 until I got my iPhone last year the Nokia phones were equally prone to problems like the iPhone. Their screens would also break, dust problems, crappy software, over heating, crappy battery life ... Again the consumer knows the iPhone is made out off glass and can buy protective covers if necessary. As for glare and screen quality I am all ears but I am yet to see another phone that has done it better?
Any device is bad with overuse but I blame that on the users not the device. There has been warning on keyboards for years and if people do not understand how to moderate use and change position I really find it difficult to blame Apple or any other manufacturer.
As for durability my personal experience and I have only had Nokia phone from 2000 until I got my iPhone last year the Nokia phones were equally prone to problems like the iPhone. Their screens would also break, dust problems, crappy software, over heating, crappy battery life ... Again the consumer knows the iPhone is made out off glass and can buy protective covers if necessary. As for glare and screen quality I am all ears but I am yet to see another phone that has done it better?
It's a phone people talk into it already. So talking to a person is okay but not to Siri?
I actually think Siri will help with smarter conversations than tons of conversation going on
I can't wait for my Galaxy S2 to show up so I can destroy my wrists and thumbs with carpal tunnel.
Seriously though syadnasti, nobody, absolutely no one, ever, at all, here, or elswhere, gives a flying rat's ass what you think of Apple or Jobs. You have not and will not change anyone's mind about Apple. At all. Ever. If someone wants to buy an Apple product, and then they read one of your posts, they will pause only for the time it takes to briefly read your dribble, then they will think about it dismissively for .0000000000001 seconds, and continue on the way to the Apple store.
Give up, right now. Seriously. Go do something with your life. Be somebody.
Seriously though syadnasti, nobody, absolutely no one, ever, at all, here, or elswhere, gives a flying rat's ass what you think of Apple or Jobs. You have not and will not change anyone's mind about Apple. At all. Ever. If someone wants to buy an Apple product, and then they read one of your posts, they will pause only for the time it takes to briefly read your dribble, then they will think about it dismissively for .0000000000001 seconds, and continue on the way to the Apple store.
Give up, right now. Seriously. Go do something with your life. Be somebody.
Not "going" for anything. Just reminding you that you are chasing futility. There are better/bigger things in life than railing against Apple computer. Or maybe for you there isn't? I dunno. As you were.
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