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Link to Seattle PI article

The amount of damage incidents like this one do to law enforcement's image in general is remarkable. You could save 10,000 babies from burning buildings but beat up one 15 yr old girl and you've moved 1 step forward and ten back. Guy looks like one nasty sumbitch.

At least they are prosecuting the bastard.

The girl was arrested after she was caught in her parents' car, which had been reported stolen from her parents' Tukwila home. Deputy Travis Brunner spotted the car driving without headlights about 3:45 a.m. on 32nd Avenue South in SeaTac and pulled it over.

She and another 15-yearold girl were arrested and taken to SeaTac City Hall to be fingerprinted before being transported to the youth detention center.

The P-I is not naming the girl because she is a minor.

The deputies apparently didn't know until later that the girl, who was in the passenger seat, was related to the car's owner.

"We had argued strenuously that the videotape released to the media this morning not be released because it does not tell the whole story of the incident," attorney Anne Bremner said in a statement.

"As we argued to the judge, it will inflame public opinion and will severely impact the deputy's right to a fair trial."

The video shows Schene and Brunner as they escorted the girl into the holding cell. Schene had asked her to remove her basketball shoes, and, as she slipped out of her left shoe, she appeared to kick it at Schene.

Schene then lunged through the door and kicked her, striking either her stomach or upper thigh area, court documents say. He pushed her against a corner wall before flinging her to the floor by her hair. He then squatted down on her and made "two overhead strikes," although it's unclear where the blows landed.

The detective who reviewed the video said it appeared Schene and Brunner had the girl under control when Schene struck her. Schene, who is 6 feet 2 and weighs 195 pounds, did not explain his action to investigators, court documents say.
Under control?!?!? She was in a F-ing cell for christ's sake...

But, not to worry, he's familiar with media attention, so he should handle the fame and adulation ok:
Schene had previously been in the news in 2006 after he fatally shot Pedro Jo, a mentally ill man, during a struggle after a traffic stop on Interstate 5. It was the second officer-involved shooting of his career.

An inquest jury ruled the shooting was justified. Jo viciously attacked Schene, trying to strangle him with his own radio cord.

Jo then ran back to his car and disobeyed Schene's orders to stop. Schene said he saw Jo reach for something in the seat, so Schene fired 11 times after Jo ran back to his car.

Shortly after the shooting while on administrative leave, Schene was stopped for driving under the influence.

He had been drinking and taking prescription medication, according to court records. He received a deferred sentence and was placed on probation, records show.
 

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She had to be subdued, it was essential to the mission.

Edit: My personal favorite is when he does the take down, bam! I wish I could deliver an assailant to the concrete with such force!
 

4xBoy

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Edit: My personal favorite is when he does the take down, bam! I wish I could deliver an assailant to the concrete with such force!
Practice on someone half your size, it should be no problem beating them down after kneeing them in the stomach, make sure to grab them by the hair to further your authority over them when dropping them on the cement.



She obviously had it coming, and the head punch further showed her sense of need to resist arrest.
 
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Silver

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I don't think you can judge it without being there.

The essential question is, "Was the officer afraid?"

If he was, this is totally justified.

edit: And, of course, we cannot fault in any way the actions of the other cop standing there watching the beating subsequent hauling to the feet by the hair. Just normal procedure...not worth mentioning.

I'd love to see the report of that incident. I'm sure it documents exactly what the video shows, because as we all know a police officer would never lie. Ever.
 
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JohnE

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There are alot of 15 y/o female ninjas out there you know.

That dummy just lost his career, and paid for her college. Or cosmetology school. Or new tattos. Trailer rental maybe.
 

stevew

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he was demonstrating the donkey punch to his partner and failing....
 

Plummit

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I like how he whines about getting a "blood filled lump" (more commonly called a bruise) on his shin from her basketball sneaker... As if he actually got a bruise, and as if that actually justified his actions.

I'm sure he'll be quite popular in the pokey....
 

MMike

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Ya know, I think I've said this before....while cops are necessary, there is an inherent problem. By and large, the types of people that WANT to be cops are the very people who should not be cops. I am of the opinion that those who go into law enforcement care more for the "enforcement" rather than the "law". They WANT to hurt people. They get off on that sort of thing. And having a badge and a uniform gives them a free pass. I'm sure there are a few good ones in the mix. But I highly doubt the good ones outnumber the bad ones.
 

4xBoy

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Ya know, I think I've said this before....while cops are necessary, there is an inherent problem. By and large, the types of people that WANT to be cops are the very people who should not be cops. I am of the opinion that those who go into law enforcement care more for the "enforcement" rather than the "law". They WANT to hurt people. They get off on that sort of thing. And having a badge and a uniform gives them a free pass. I'm sure there are a few good ones in the mix. But I highly doubt the good ones outnumber the bad ones.
I agree for the most part, problem with power is few can handle having it.
 

dan-o

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LOL @ the "become a police officer" ads displayed while watching the vid.
 

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Ya know, I think I've said this before....while cops are necessary, there is an inherent problem. By and large, the types of people that WANT to be cops are the very people who should not be cops. I am of the opinion that those who go into law enforcement care more for the "enforcement" rather than the "law". They WANT to hurt people. They get off on that sort of thing. And having a badge and a uniform gives them a free pass. I'm sure there are a few good ones in the mix. But I highly doubt the good ones outnumber the bad ones.
This.
 

manimal

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Ya know, I think I've said this before....while cops are necessary, there is an inherent problem. By and large, the types of people that WANT to be cops are the very people who should not be cops. I am of the opinion that those who go into law enforcement care more for the "enforcement" rather than the "law". They WANT to hurt people. They get off on that sort of thing. And having a badge and a uniform gives them a free pass. I'm sure there are a few good ones in the mix. But I highly doubt the good ones outnumber the bad ones.
while this incident is atrocious and i don't think any amount of articulation on the deputy's part will spare him a conviction for assault.....your assumption that good cop/bad cop ratio is heavy on the bad cop side is utterly false.

think about it. do the thousands of cops on the street make the news for doing their job correctly and professionally every day? no, the only ones in the media...or at least the ones remembered by the media are the bad apples. people don't care when a cop is stabbed while attempting to stop an out of control husband from beating his wife but god help the image of law enforcement if one cop loses it and screws up.
i personally can't stand this deputy and i'm sorely pissed at his actions because now, people like you and silver get to act all high and mighty claiming that cops are liars and bullies because here is yet another example of a cop gone bad. heck, i know some cool canadians but i also know of this douche called mmike...does that mean that the majority of canadians are douche's? wait..that's not a fair analogy ;) but you get my point :D

edit: i just added this video and some quotes from the deputy's report as to why he had to "defend himself from another 'assault' :rolleyes: " to my Ethics for Law Enforcement lesson plan that i'm teaching this summer for required in-service training. there are a lot of situations in law enforcement where the general public doesn't understand why a certain use of force was necessary...but this one in particular was extremely excessive and i'll be using it as a learning tool for how NOT to react...ever.
 
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MMike

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And how many incidents don't get caught on tape.

I have a hard time believing that you have an objective viewpoint.

I even seem to recall a post of yours long ago. (I can't remember the exact details but you were thrilled that you were given the opportunity to "take down a perp" with your bare hands. It gave you the chance to use the skills you gained in the gym or something. (Again if I am remembering this right), you still had all of your standard issue gear on you, but you just chose to go "man to man". To me that just seems indicative of something.

I have had very few encounters with cops. Mainly just for speeding. But I see it routinely....cops flicking on their lights to blows through a red tlight, only to turn them back off once they are clear etc etc...

Essentially, I respect the job they have to do (if it were done as it is supposed to be done). I just have very little respect for the mental defectives who seem to want to sign up. Really, they should be prison guards. At least then they are unleashing on those deserving.
 

4xBoy

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while this incident is atrocious and i don't think any amount of articulation on the deputy's part will spare him a conviction for assault.....your assumption that good cop/bad cop ratio is heavy on the bad cop side is utterly false.
I am not going to back pedal my statements but I will agree that the media pushes the bad in the world and not the good.

But the wrong and unethical people in any group bring down the rest, even more so when the people around them let this behavior happen.
 

Silver

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think about it. do the thousands of cops on the street make the news for doing their job correctly and professionally every day? no, the only ones in the media...or at least the ones remembered by the media are the bad apples. people don't care when a cop is stabbed while attempting to stop an out of control husband from beating his wife but god help the image of law enforcement if one cop loses it and screws up.
So, you think you should get your dick sucked by the media for doing a good job? The job you were hired to do? If you wanted that treatment, you should have become a firefighter, cupcake.

people like you and silver get to act all high and mighty claiming that cops are liars and bullies because here is yet another example of a cop gone bad.
I don't know where the hostility comes from. The only thing that differentiates my original post in this thread (not including the edits) from something you would have written is that I didn't throw in a snide remark about the ACLU...
 

jimmydean

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I know both good and bad cops. This sort of behavior is uncalled for and should be punished. The fact he got popped for DUI while on leave for a shooting paints a bad picture for this guys career.

I agree that when cops do good things, it will rarely make the news. But I also know of many occasions when cops do things that go unrecorded as well.

It's all part of the risk, I guess.
 

MMike

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I am not going to back pedal my statements but I will agree that the media pushes the bad in the world and not the good.

But the wrong and unethical people in any group bring down the rest, even more so when the people around them let this behavior happen.
I think it's just despicable how 1000's of aircraft land safely every day, and no-one throws me a parade....
 

sanjuro

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"We had argued strenuously that the videotape released to the media this morning not be released because it does not tell the whole story of the incident," attorney Anne Bremner said in a statement.
I just wish they would grab attorney Bremner by the hair and lift her off the ground.
 

Inclag

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I think it's just despicable how 1000's of aircraft land safely every day, and no-one throws me a parade....
Oh, your parade is coming. It's just that it is a logistical nightmare trying to get the NYC officials to shut down Central Park to Columbus Circle. Good thing is you'll have NYC's finest protecting you. We'll have that guy who tackled the fixie Critical Mass rider be your personal bodyguard.



So, one of my girlfriend's best friends has a husband that is a cop. He told us at a party that his cop buddies call him "Bang Bang". You'll never guess what he did.

After meeting this guy a few times I have little doubt that if I were to ever hang out with him and his cop brethren, I'd probably get myself in trouble for saying something they wouldn't like.

I'm not trying to make a blanket statement that all cops are like this. Heck the police from my hometown were great (knew them since the DARE program in elementary school), but since I have gotten older I have been disturbed by the behavior and attitude of a number I have met. I kind of look at it similarly to the MLB/Steroid situation. There is a problem, but what bugs me is that the guys who are doing their jobs the right way just don't seem to be doing everything possible to instill more integrity to their profession... probably because that would ostracize them.
 

manimal

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I guess this must be the one I was thinking of....

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1787518&postcount=1

So I didn't have all the details right......
yup..exactly the same. except change the jail cell for a backyard, the 15 yr old, 130lb girl for a 25 yr old, 250lb dude and change the assault from flicking a shoe to swinging fists at my head and going for my gun. yup...exactly the same :rolleyes:

silver: no cop looks for accolades for doing their job...it is the job. the point i'm making is that when a cop goes above and beyond it's rarely noted on the news yet nearly every screw-up makes prime time. for every bad apple there are thousands of properly handled use of force applications. at my department nearly EVERYTHING is recorded via ICOP, this helps keep things in check, i presume, but also helps exonerate a lot of officers in complaints when joe citizen cries foul and then withdraws when the video surfaces showing what an idiot he/she was being at the time.
 

MMike

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yup..exactly the same. except change the jail cell for a backyard, the 15 yr old, 130lb girl for a 25 yr old, 250lb dude and change the assault from flicking a shoe to swinging fists at my head and going for my gun. yup...exactly the same :rolleyes:
Um...that's not at ALL what I was trying to say....like not even remotely close to my point. I give you the DOUBLE rolleyes. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:.......
 

sanjuro

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I have had very few encounters with cops. Mainly just for speeding. But I see it routinely....cops flicking on their lights to blows through a red tlight, only to turn them back off once they are clear etc etc...
I was so touched by your stories of abuse of authority, it reminded me of something that happened in the Bay Area, except instead of speeding, the cop shot someone in the back while he was cuffed.
 

jimmydean

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I was so touched by your stories of abuse of authority, it reminded me of something that happened in the Bay Area, except instead of speeding, the cop shot someone in the back while he was cuffed.
That was only so he would turn around and the cop could shoot him in the face.
 

manimal

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I am referring to your preferring his approch


as opposed to his approach
so tell me grasshopper...how do you apprehend a 250lb beast, with assault on a female warrants, that has bladed off to you in a fighting stance? talk to him? sweep the leg? i'm sorry man, you seem to forget that my job is not to fight fair, but to win. where does it say that cops have to be nice when a BG is obviously preparing to hurt us? the measure of professionalism comes after the arrest and how the prisoner is treated on the way to jail. i frequently have punks who either ran from or fought me on the street shake my hand by the time we get through prisoner processing. BG's know the game and appreciate a cop that doesn't take it personal, even if they just had their butt handed to them for bucking up.

however, in regard to the thread, that deputy was way out of line, period. we are to meet force with one level higher than the bad guy. in this case, a body slam into the wall and then to the ground was not one step higher than tossing a shoe and having an attitude. that dick took the girl's attitude and comments personal, letting his emotions overcome his professional responsibility.

so whether you like it or not....talking can only do so much on the street and at some point words have to be backed up with action.
 

MMike

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so tell me grasshopper...how do you apprehend a 250lb beast, with assault on a female warrants, that has bladed off to you in a fighting stance? talk to him? sweep the leg? i'm sorry man, you seem to forget that my job is not to fight fair, but to win. where does it say that cops have to be nice when a BG is obviously preparing to hurt us? the measure of professionalism comes after the arrest and how the prisoner is treated on the way to jail. i frequently have punks who either ran from or fought me on the street shake my hand by the time we get through prisoner processing. BG's know the game and appreciate a cop that doesn't take it personal, even if they just had their butt handed to them for bucking up.
n.
But looking a little deeper.....so why do you do the job? Because of a burning desire to keep the public safe, or because you get a rush from giving a bad guy a beat down? Or both?
 

4xBoy

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however, in regard to the thread, that deputy was way out of line, period. we are to meet force with one level higher than the bad guy. in this case, a body slam into the wall and then to the ground was not one step higher than tossing a shoe and having an attitude. that dick took the girl's attitude and comments personal, letting his emotions overcome his professional responsibility.
You have a great point that, I didn't think of before.

What if she knew about the camera, and about his past, we won't hear another word about her, and she will probably get no fines, no nothing.

And he will have created another black eye for police.

I am adding that she would have to be a very bright girl, doubtful cause of the stolen car, but getting him to over-react would do her favors over what she did.
 

MMike

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You have a great point that, I didn't think of before.

What if she knew about the camera, and about his past, we won't hear another word about her, and she will probably get no fines, no nothing.

And he will have created another black eye for police.

I am adding that she would have to be a very bright girl, doubtful cause of the stolen car, but getting him to over-react would do her favors over what she did.
Indeed...it's not like 15 is too young for a girl to know how to manipulate a guy. if she was able to pick up on the fact that the guy was a goon with a room temperature IQ, then he may have played right into her hands. In which case kudos to her for knowing how to play the game at such a young age.
 

ohio

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so tell me grasshopper...how do you apprehend a 250lb beast, with assault on a female warrants, that has bladed off to you in a fighting stance?
You do it exactly how you did it (or with a tazer). Mmike's point wasn't your actions but your attitude. You were super stoked you had the opportunity to kick some scumbag's ass, and you're one of the good ones. How many cops are a little more broad in their definition of "scumbag" and are looking forward to having an excuse to kick anyone's ass?

In an ideal world, you'd hand out the beat-down grudgingly and hope you never had to do it again.

I'm not saying that's possible. I'm a pretty huge pussy, and I even I remember how great it felt to win a wrestling match - better than winning any other sport I ever played. But I do see Mmike's point.