note to female officers: the taser is not a sex toy.
Taser critics...the final report is in.
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There was a conversation on the radio this morning about women tazer parties. I had no idea you could purchase the shooting tazer for "personal protection".
i let my son give me a jolt with one of the watered down civilian version stun guns they sell at the gun show. he had a blast, i was shocked.
Watered down version? If tasers are not dangerous, why would there be a watered down version?
Active resistance generally constitutes the threat of bodily harm, so a taser would be justified. If it's a choice between a taser or a choke hold with a out of control suspect, where there is a risk harm to the suspect as well as the officer, the taser is usually going to be safer.
Because an officer requires a fair amount of training before being issued a firearm or a taser, and most civilians require none, or almost none. Also a civilian taser is designed to incompacitate someone for a few (30)seconds, to give you time to escape or get help. A police taser is designed for dealing a potentially dangerous person and actually controlling and stopping them.
Imagine a rapist or crook with a ful blown police taser....not pretty.
i think i may have been unclear with the intention of telling that story...i wasn't comparing a civilian taser to a law enforcement issue. just telling a funny story about letting my son get back at dad. the civilian one just tickled in comparison...but still was enough to distract me
you should have seen his eyes light up when he heard that clicking noise 
You should rig the civilian one up to one of these units and play with your co-workersi think i may have been unclear with the intention of telling that story...i wasn't comparing a civilian taser to a law enforcement issue. just telling a funny story about letting my son get back at dad. the civilian one just tickled in comparison...but still was enough to distract me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Reaction
Because legislators are the same scared ninnies who try to keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens while keeping punishments for violent criminals nice and light? Because they're the same morons who think limiting the legal number of rounds in an honest person's handgun is a serious move to reduce violent crime?
the "watered down" versions are made for personal protection only, not submission and detainment like the LE versions are for. personal "stun guns" are made to "stun" the attacker at close range to allow the victim to get away. Law enforcement tasers are designed to incapacitate the offender so they can be safely apprehended. in case you forgot, it is STILL our job to get the bad guys off the street and we are not expected to be on the defensive side of an altercation.
i think i may have been unclear with the intention of telling that story...i wasn't comparing a civilian taser to a law enforcement issue. just telling a funny story about letting my son get back at dad. the civilian one just tickled in comparison...but still was enough to distract me
My bad , I was replying to renegadericks post and somehow crossed it up!!! Sorry dude
Pay attention here mate, the whole thread is about how the taser is not being used as an alternative to shooting but as an easy way to gain compliance. I know you're Canadian now but you should have retained some residual smarts.
looks like you and I are reading this thread differently...D
HUGE guy doesn't want to follow orders, seems like the taser was exactly what was needed. Can't imagine trying to bring down this ape the old fassioned way. He got reaaaalllllll compliant after a quick jolt.
I see in the news the cannuks are getting in on the tase first, tase second, then maybe think about working out what the situation is.
Cop already asking permission to tase as he was entering the hall
And why the **** did the cop feel it was needed to kneel on the guys neck when there are 2 cops on top of him and he has just been tased a few times?
Fire the f*cker I say.
Where's the line between doing your duty and manslaughter just out of curiosity?
*edit* can't seem to find the clip I saw on the news last night. It clearly showed the cop already asking to tase as he was entering the room and well before he would have had any idea what was going on.
Cop already asking permission to tase as he was entering the hall
And why the **** did the cop feel it was needed to kneel on the guys neck when there are 2 cops on top of him and he has just been tased a few times?
Fire the f*cker I say.
Where's the line between doing your duty and manslaughter just out of curiosity?
*edit* can't seem to find the clip I saw on the news last night. It clearly showed the cop already asking to tase as he was entering the room and well before he would have had any idea what was going on.
couldn't the RCMP have dragged him behind a horse instead?I see in the news the cannuks are getting in on the tase first, tase second, then maybe think about working out what the situation is.
Cop already asking permission to tase as he was entering the hall
And why the **** did the cop feel it was needed to kneel on the guys neck when there are 2 cops on top of him and he has just been tased a few times?
Fire the f*cker I say.
Where's the line between doing your duty and manslaughter just out of curiosity?
You should rig the civilian one up to one of these units and play with your co-workers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Reaction
Is is wrong that I have used that toy B4?
Also tried another one were the shocks are increased in incriments. Two controls, One each for two people. First one that lets go loses. It gets to the point were it is difficult to open your hand to let go.
Oddly enough, afterword your hands feel good. Like Manimal said earlier....like a massage.Don't think I want a full body tasing but those games are fun.
and now for something tangential: "US man charged with raping daughters, accused of using shock collar to enforce obedience"
Tazewell, KY
and just what town did this happen?
Tazewell, KY
I see in the news the cannuks are getting in on the tase first, tase second, then maybe think about working out what the situation is.
Cop already asking permission to tase as he was entering the hall
And why the **** did the cop feel it was needed to kneel on the guys neck when there are 2 cops on top of him and he has just been tased a few times?
Fire the f*cker I say.
Where's the line between doing your duty and manslaughter just out of curiosity?
*edit* can't seem to find the clip I saw on the news last night. It clearly showed the cop already asking to tase as he was entering the room and well before he would have had any idea what was going on.
uh oh...looks like the armchair quarterback syndrome is in effect...D
Maybe we should watch a taser kill an airplane passenger and discuss whethey they should be used in place of choke holds. The problem is police officers don't have training in cardiology and can't spot people that would be better off shot in the leg than tazered. I will not even discuss the few lazy, power hungry cops that can't wait to "bust a tazer" in someone.
video
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/15/taser.death/index.html
article
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/15/taser.death/index.html#cnnSTCText
(CNN) -- A video showing the last moments of a Polish immigrant, who died after Canadian police shot him with a stun gun at Vancouver International Airport, has been made public.
This image from video shows an agitated Robert Dziekanski, left, before police used a stun gun on him.
Robert Dziekanski, 40, was traveling to join his mother, who lives in British Columbia, when he ended up spending about 10 hours in the airport's arrivals area, The Canadian Press said.
The video shows Dziekanski, who had never flown before, becoming agitated. It then shows Mounties purportedly shocking Robert Dziekanski with a Taser device after confronting him. Dziekanski did not speak English.
The recording was captured by bystander Paul Pritchard on October 14 and was in police hands until he threatened legal action and it was returned to him last week, The Canadian Press reported. Watch as police stun man with Taser »
"Probably the most disturbing part is one of the officers uses his leg and his knee to pin his neck and his head to the ground," Pritchard told CBC News.
The dead man's mother, Zofia Cisowski, told CBC News that Tasers should not be used by police.
"They should do something because that is a killer, a people killer."
The incident is being investigated by police, Canada's national police complaints commission and by the coroner, CBC News reported. E-mail to a friend
video
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/15/taser.death/index.html
article
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/15/taser.death/index.html#cnnSTCText
(CNN) -- A video showing the last moments of a Polish immigrant, who died after Canadian police shot him with a stun gun at Vancouver International Airport, has been made public.
This image from video shows an agitated Robert Dziekanski, left, before police used a stun gun on him.
Robert Dziekanski, 40, was traveling to join his mother, who lives in British Columbia, when he ended up spending about 10 hours in the airport's arrivals area, The Canadian Press said.
The video shows Dziekanski, who had never flown before, becoming agitated. It then shows Mounties purportedly shocking Robert Dziekanski with a Taser device after confronting him. Dziekanski did not speak English.
The recording was captured by bystander Paul Pritchard on October 14 and was in police hands until he threatened legal action and it was returned to him last week, The Canadian Press reported. Watch as police stun man with Taser »
"Probably the most disturbing part is one of the officers uses his leg and his knee to pin his neck and his head to the ground," Pritchard told CBC News.
The dead man's mother, Zofia Cisowski, told CBC News that Tasers should not be used by police.
"They should do something because that is a killer, a people killer."
The incident is being investigated by police, Canada's national police complaints commission and by the coroner, CBC News reported. E-mail to a friend
Wrong; try again. Guns aren't non-lethal force instruments. We've been over this a million times. Plus, do you know what a femoral artery is, speaking of those who lack medical training?
Couldn't have produced a worse result per se.
Plus nothing says "how big's my dick now mother fvcker!!??" like using a firearm in an airport.
Have you watched the video? A perfect example of a taser being used as a first measure.
You missed the point. If you're going to kill someone, what difference is your choice??? The guys is dead.
I know what a femoral artery is, why do you think an atriol node would be any less sensitive to voltage?? Like driving a car with burned out spark plugs.
I saw a kid get tazed at a party a few weeks back. Kinda funny.
Have you thought of a career in law enforcement?
How about this one?
Man, that guy deserved what he got!
Sounds like he was resisting to me. Sleeping AND showing ID?
Man, that guy deserved what he got!
and if he was in the states with the terrorist paranoia going on there he would have been shot....how are they supposed to know who can handle a taser hit and who can't?....and as far as the knee to the head that's pretty much standard procedure...you see it all the time...D
And that would have been unjustifiable use of force as well. Are these concepts really that difficult?
so I guess cops should show up with a health questionnaire for the person to fill out as well as a psychologist to make sure they can proceed....give me a break...citizens have accepted the policies of the police then complain when they actually implement them.
You think it's unjustifiable force then get out there and do something about it instead of complaining here....D
You think it's unjustifiable force then get out there and do something about it instead of complaining here....D
Apparently citizens haven't accepted this policy, hence the fact that it's a news item, and the fact that there is a little bit of outrage that 4 cops tasered an unarmed man to death 30 seconds after walking into the room with him.
Does that get into the little reptilian center in your brain where "thought" occurs?
Alas, this is the entire issue. You can't know.
Just as if you should never point a gun (loaded or not) at anything you do not intend to shoot, you should never use a taser on anyone you would not shoot. The end result can be just as devastating.
I feel like a broken record player saying this yet again... Tasers are less lethal weapons, but they are weapons nonetheless.
I eSpeculate that the reason behind these inappropriate uses is from officers being anxious to try out their new toys. Since they believe that there won't be any lasting harm it makes it all that much easier to do.
I can't wait until we hear about the first guy Manimal lights up.
Sure hope he doesn't die.
So, what I am understanding, is that police should simply beat you into submission with their baton. All the while endangering their lives by being inside the "kill zone" for non projectile weapons?
Genius.
Genius.
Right, and this thread is the VAST minority of cases a tazer is used in. Hell just watch COPS. At least once an episode a guy runs, pulls a knife or pulls a gun and gets tazed. Also not the majority of cases I am sure, but enough to balance out the ones in this thread.
Also for the canadian dude, get the full story. He was flipping out for awhile before police arrived, and included throwing a small table to chair or something at the airport people trying to calm him down.
Sure they jumped and tazed him without trying any further to calm him down (and realized he didn't speak english), but it isn't like they said hey you there to some random Pole and then tazed his ass. The guy was genuinely freaking out.
How do you know that this is vast minority?
I don't think any officer would use taser if someone would point gun at him. Anyway making comparison of reality and tv show is usuallly not very good idea. Besides there is a thor shield...
About getting the full story of "random pole": the police also wasn't very happy to return the vid to the owner:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/11/14/bc-taserrelease.html
However, I don't think the problem is in tasers, since its application has some positive aspects.
Problem is with incorrect application of tool such as multiple force application, use of tool on children, elders...
However, if my sources are correct, the biggest problem (besides few trigger happy retards) here is the lack of taser regulations:
http://www.durhampolice.com/news/pdf/070921_1.pdf
IMO rules should be established before game is played.
I don't think any officer would use taser if someone would point gun at him. Anyway making comparison of reality and tv show is usuallly not very good idea. Besides there is a thor shield...
About getting the full story of "random pole": the police also wasn't very happy to return the vid to the owner:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/11/14/bc-taserrelease.html
However, I don't think the problem is in tasers, since its application has some positive aspects.
Problem is with incorrect application of tool such as multiple force application, use of tool on children, elders...
However, if my sources are correct, the biggest problem (besides few trigger happy retards) here is the lack of taser regulations:
Link:
http://www.durhampolice.com/news/pdf/070921_1.pdf
IMO rules should be established before game is played.
my department only allows a taser to be used in a situation where there is substantial risk of injury to the officer,suspect or bystanders if it isn't used and greater risk if something else (billy club, tonga,firearm) is used. We have very few taserings and I can't remember one ever being challenges as unnecessary.