Teabaggers are racist
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only problem is: tea baggers aren't whites-only
am i the only one here who sees the pollster(s) as racists? they only asked white teabaggers.
true story.
am i the only one here who sees the pollster(s) as racists? they only asked white teabaggers.
true story.
You're splitting hairs. The vast majority of teabaggers, embedded black CNN producers aside, are white. These white teabaggers appear to be racist.
This is a funny one, because my gut reaction is that the Tea Party is racist.
But I think people have changed.
Few people openly state "that person is inferior based on skin color". Nor will most fall into any stereotyping traps, like Harry Reid's "negro dialect" comment.
And it is not just biting their tongues, but a real change in attitude and perception.
I have no proof of this, it is just my perception about race.
You can point out the Obama's a Nazi signs or spitting on a member of Congress, but I would prefer not to use nutcases as a representative of the whole. And you can point out plenty of nuts who were anti-Bush.
The liberal media (and I rarely use that term seriously) have been trying to portray the tea party as racist simply because there are almost no minorities at the rallies.
But if you are going to use that logic, you can easily prove that mountain biking is racist because there are almost no black bikers.
Now, I think the Tea Party is radically conservative, and if it was up to them, there would be no welfare, no food stamps, no affirmative action, no immigration, all things which would definitely hurt minorities.
But it is hard to say what is in the hearts of men. That's the challenge of calling anyone racist.
But I think people have changed.
Few people openly state "that person is inferior based on skin color". Nor will most fall into any stereotyping traps, like Harry Reid's "negro dialect" comment.
And it is not just biting their tongues, but a real change in attitude and perception.
I have no proof of this, it is just my perception about race.
You can point out the Obama's a Nazi signs or spitting on a member of Congress, but I would prefer not to use nutcases as a representative of the whole. And you can point out plenty of nuts who were anti-Bush.
The liberal media (and I rarely use that term seriously) have been trying to portray the tea party as racist simply because there are almost no minorities at the rallies.
But if you are going to use that logic, you can easily prove that mountain biking is racist because there are almost no black bikers.
Now, I think the Tea Party is radically conservative, and if it was up to them, there would be no welfare, no food stamps, no affirmative action, no immigration, all things which would definitely hurt minorities.
But it is hard to say what is in the hearts of men. That's the challenge of calling anyone racist.
Sure you can be a tea bagger without being racist, but lets face it, if you are a racist, chances are you identify your self as a tea bagger.
I'd fall under the category of "teabagger" to most of you. My beliefs have not changed in years though. I am still a staunchly Libertarian, fiscal conservative and social liberal. With social liberal being of the i care not if you are gay or straight, black or white, rich or poor; just don't take from me, unless I give to you variety.
I'm not racist, just a self-focused asshole to liberals, and a fag-lover to conservatives (lived with a gay dude through college).
I'm not racist, just a self-focused asshole to liberals, and a fag-lover to conservatives (lived with a gay dude through college).
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Is it just me or do they fail at the math ?
several of them appear to have well over 100% Participation ?
the gays in the military has 161% participation, unless they polled some really stupid people who both claimed to agree and disagree.
several of them appear to have well over 100% Participation ?
the gays in the military has 161% participation, unless they polled some really stupid people who both claimed to agree and disagree.
Yes, Me. There is a 'Me' behind every opinion, and like assholes we all have one. Your opinion, along with those who are opposed to the "teaparty" mentality have the same sound to those of us on the opposite side.
Me, me, me. What can I get for free from the government?
there is an other side to every argument.
Me, Me, Me. What do I get for giving my money to the government?
Give equal questionnaires to large sample sizes of the population, and let both sides see the data in full to do analysis. The "me" on both sides will only see what they want to see in the results.
where's the magic number, the threshold? if 51%+ of a group does not agree that blacks & latinos are very hard working, intelligent, and trustworthy, does that make that group racist? if so, the group from col B (strongly disapprove of tea party) is also racist against blacks & latinos.
do you see that in the data?
what i find sad is that 35% of those who strongly disapprove of teabaggers actually believe blacks cannot achieve what whites have. no word on whether they knew who was CiC at the time of the polling.
what i would really like to know is, did the pollsters reflect the answer rate? that is, you ask what may be seen as an inflammatory question, how likely are you to receive an answer? of the sample N, i wonder what portion (M) were answered.
the world may never know, but i'll see if i can dig that up.
Two separate groups thus 100% x 2 total possible
42, duh
Statz is hardz.
Joker's new town: 90.92% White, 0.87% African American, 4.42% Asian, Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.66% of the population.
I'm teasing, btw. I seriously have no idea if anyone is really racist, but I do pay attention if you are a dick to people of a different color, and of course, you have not.
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Can't you pretty much find a poll to support just about any argument you want to make?
Mike D hit it on the head. I don't think it's racism as much as stereotypes.
You meet me and before you talk to me you know I'm white, 46, retired military and from the south. What do you think your first thoughts are going to be? Really, from deep down inside?
I personally have stereotyped in this forum before, concerning certain demographics in New Orleans receiving food assistance.
And, isn't it a bit hypocritical to call ALL tea party participants racist, based on a stereotype cast by the one accusing them of being racist?
Mike D hit it on the head. I don't think it's racism as much as stereotypes.
You meet me and before you talk to me you know I'm white, 46, retired military and from the south. What do you think your first thoughts are going to be? Really, from deep down inside?
I personally have stereotyped in this forum before, concerning certain demographics in New Orleans receiving food assistance.
And, isn't it a bit hypocritical to call ALL tea party participants racist, based on a stereotype cast by the one accusing them of being racist?
No you don't. You're a straight-up libertarian, so you make sense in all the areas that the teabaggers don't. You think that wars of choice are stupid, you think we spend WAY too much money on our military, your idea of "fiscal discipline" is balanced budgets as opposed to unfunded tax cuts, and you believe that the government should get the F out of our social lives (abortion, gay rights, etc).
(I think, I might be projecting just a bit)
That's the problem that teabaggers have, they only want the happy, easy choices. It's *easy* to jump up and down and say "tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts" over and over again, but if you do that you're left with the hard choice of either expanding the budget deficit (thanks GWB!) or cutting programs like the military or social services. It's *easy* to insist that the government get out of your life, but it's *hard* to carry that mantra over to areas where you want the government poking into other people's lives.
moreover, let's take a straw poll here. i don't believe blacks - as a group - are very intelligent.
same for hispanics.
same for crackers.
same for gooks.
am i racist b/c of this? (oddly enough, no one asked about whites/asians.)
seems to me IQ is a way to quantify more accurately (fwiw) what we feel - that to attain the rank of 'very intelligent', you must distinguish yourself. how can you possibly be distinguished if you're viewed as just as smart as everyone else?
trustworthiness/hard-working are different issues: you can have approaching 100% trustworthiness/hard-working in a race in theory. especially when they're enslaved (no offense to descendants of mosaic-era israelites)
and so shall i indulge:
what gets reduced to the sound byte of "tax cuts, tax cuts" is more the demand for fiscal responsibility. true, there are those who want to abolish the irs, and these paultards have found quarter w/in the teabaggers. like any broad sweeping movement which has quickly arisen in large part from emotion, you're going to have to thresh the pile a few iterations. i'm not waiting for this to occur before i join. i have better things to do w/ my time/energy/money.
Well, I wasn't commenting on the teabaggers as much as the fact that everyone polled seems capable of having some broad-based opinion of any and every race out there, and somehow it seems to be interpreted as you're "good" in this poll if you have a positive stereotype.
I also think many answers were predicated on people's political self-identification, and not what they might or might not truly feel.
The intelligent people were not the ones who answered the poll, but the ones who smacked the pollster in the face when he asked some of the stupidest questions ever and refused to participate in such an inane, ridiculous enterprise. "Seriously, you want me to say that an entire race of people are intelligent or not, or hard-working or not?" [*SMACK!*]
I also think many answers were predicated on people's political self-identification, and not what they might or might not truly feel.
The intelligent people were not the ones who answered the poll, but the ones who smacked the pollster in the face when he asked some of the stupidest questions ever and refused to participate in such an inane, ridiculous enterprise. "Seriously, you want me to say that an entire race of people are intelligent or not, or hard-working or not?" [*SMACK!*]
On target. I do feel that the Libertarians as a whole would be supportive of this movement as long as Palin was far, far away from it. It's like it was created to put a dark shadow on the Libertarian party...
I know it's fun to say that, but you and I both know that by a VERY large margin, teabaggers are white. They're so white they didn't even know they were stumbling upon a linguistic masterpiece when they decided to not advocate loose leaf tea.
They're so white, they think sean hannity has good taste in music.
They're so white they're into a snowmobiling family from alaska. Ever see a black snowmobiler? You and I both live around snowy mountains. I still haven't.
They're so white they can't distinguish hawaii from kenya.
speaking of kenya
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/kenya/
so are a large margin of republicans. you might as well say they're raci...oh...i see...
also:
they're so white, they don't abort their retarded babies
they're so white, they're on time
they're so white, they're like a large pizza
never gets old.
just like that song of a particular avian variety
I'm still waiting for someone to prove that the Tea Party convention is racist.
I'll use another example since I am thinking a lot about New Orleans recently:
Essence Music Festival (adult R&B) is primarily black
Bayou Classic (football game between Grambling and Southern Univ) is primarily black
National Baptist Convention (which has convened at the Superdome) is primarily black
None of these organizations discriminate against whites, but there are almost no whites in attendance.
Do whites people hate Adult R & B? Black College Football?
What's the difference?
I'll use another example since I am thinking a lot about New Orleans recently:
Essence Music Festival (adult R&B) is primarily black
Bayou Classic (football game between Grambling and Southern Univ) is primarily black
National Baptist Convention (which has convened at the Superdome) is primarily black
None of these organizations discriminate against whites, but there are almost no whites in attendance.
Do whites people hate Adult R & B? Black College Football?
What's the difference?
I don't think this is true, in fact I think that statement does Libertarians some unfairness. True Libertarians, such as your self, have nuanced, informed opinions on a variety of subjects that define your political leanings. Tea Baggers on the other hand, are pretty much defined only by their collective paranoia, unreasonable fear, tinfoil hat collections, and a shared ignorance of the meaning of words like nuance.
You ever take a logic class?
The phrase "all are not" ring a bell?
If you're genuinely struggling with this, I'll try to help.
It's impossible to say that every single person affiliating with the teabagging is racist. I doubt anyone with a brain actually believes this either.
What the movement provides however, is an outlet for racist bigots who are pissed off about a black president to go "rabble rabble rabble" under the guise of some other complaints. It's also just generally speaking, a very right wing set of ideologies which in this country constitutes dorky white people who pretty much only hang out with other dorky white people, a lot of them a little uncomfortable around tannin. So it's a simple doorway for dipshlts already a little too happy with their whiteness.
You've BEEN to new orleans right? White people there are about as common as black people in tahoe. Plus R&B is black culture's version of ABBA. That shlt sucks.
Libertarians are frustrated with the tea party for the EXACT same reasons they hate the GOP. Not surprising, since the tea party *is* a fringe aspect of the GOP. And I might be supportive of the movement if it got rid of Palin, Beck, Hannity, all of Faux News, and any of the BS uber-right-wing talking points.
And what percentage of the tea party is racist? 1%? 25%? 75%?
I'm serious. I have no idea how racist the tea party is. I haven't been to a tea party, there is no tea party literature that says "We hate having a black president".
All any of us can point to is the occasional protest sign that makes a racist comment. Here is a bunch of signs comparing Bush to Hitler: http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612
I watch MSNBC every weeknight, literally. I know how the tea party is portrayed, and I think everyone is pointing to the media sensationalism rather than they own observations.
Don't get me wrong. I am very strongly against the tea party. The things they do stand for, specifically lower taxes at the cost of social programs and as little government control as possible, I am very against.
The thing about the Tea Party is similar to Critical Mass, the bike ride.
CM has no organization or leaders, so when the time comes to complain, to regulate, and to control, there is no one you can go to. The tea party is not a political organization either, just random groups which come together to focus on the hatred of Obama.
There was a tea party before 2008, just didn't have the steam it does now that a radical left President is in office.
But I will point out one right-wing group which you can criticize: Operation Rescue. They open advocate violence against abortion doctors, but they never "order" anyone. But they do attract lots of nuts who are willing to carry out the "suggestions". But as long as there is not a direct tie between Randall Terry and Scott Roeder, then Terry can continue "suggesting" murdering abortion doctors.
P.S. I used to live in New Orleans. That's where my opinions about race and racism started to change.
There you would hear the N-word like you here Dude in Norcal, but lots of blacks and whites lived next to each other.
In comparison, most cities and towns, neighborhoods are very segregated.
So what's less racist: spouting racial epithets and living in an area which is majority black, or talking about how you hate racism and living in an area which is 90% white?
One more thing: I work with a proud tea bagger.
My boss is a tea bagger. He is not racist. My office is primarily minority, in a funny way: 50% Asian and Indian, 5% Latino, and a few blacks.
Not exactly the inner city, but it is minority.
P.S. I love Anthony Hamilton.
My boss is a tea bagger. He is not racist. My office is primarily minority, in a funny way: 50% Asian and Indian, 5% Latino, and a few blacks.
Not exactly the inner city, but it is minority.
P.S. I love Anthony Hamilton.
You spelled 'fox news' m.s.n.b.c for some reason.
If romney's health care program, reagan's nuclear ambitions, gee dubya's surveilance procedures and bank cozying makes a guy 'radical left' then yeah he's as south paw as they come.
Yeah, that's not correct.
It's a "movement" funded and kickstarted by Dick Armey, for ****s sake.
Actually, living in new orleans and thinking it was cultural utopia is much worse than all that.
I definitely moved to tahoe because it's mostly white. Had nothing to do with anything else really. I like snow because it's white.
Dude, keep that shlt private.
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Dick army just wants responsible spending man!
Lower income taxes than Reagan as well. Huge support for the military industrial complex.If romney's health care program, reagan's nuclear ambitions, gee dubya's surveilance procedures and bank cozying makes a guy 'radical left' then yeah he's as south paw as they come.
Obama is by any objective measure center-right. He's more conservative than the leader of the Canadian Conservative party, who happens to be a right wing Christian nut (although a surprisingly effective politician) who has a retard like Stockwell Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Stockwell_Day.jpg" class="image" title="Stockwell Day"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Stockwell_Day.jpg/225px-Stockwell_Day.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/f/f3/Stockwell_Day.jpg/225px-Stockwell_Day.jpg in his cabinet.
It would be easy for me to call most people racist, including you, if I chose to use the criteria of neighborhood diversity.Actually, living in new orleans and thinking it was cultural utopia is much worse than all that.
I definitely moved to tahoe because it's mostly white. Had nothing to do with anything else really. I like snow because it's white.
Dude, keep that shlt private.
But I don't, because I have no idea what is the hearts of men.
The more I think about it, the poll asked minorities if they like the Tea Party.
You could make the headline: Minorities are racist against Tea Party.