Telum. Any got one coming?
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No, it's reducing (=getting a stiffer rate) or raising (=softer rate) the number of active coils.
Edit: sniped by Jm_
Are there any other coils that are the same size that the Sprindex plastic piece could be used on?
Not sure, same width, probably, but you'd need significantly more stroke than your shock to make this work, like if my stroke is 65, I may need an 80mm spring, besides the coil OD and ID.
Merry Christmas/happy holidays!
NSMB Telum review, it's good (shocking
).
https://nsmb.com/articles/vorsprung-telum/
Surprised there has not been more talk about the design, it is very unique. It is a twin tube design but there is no mid valve or shims on the piston attached to the damping rod, it is just a solid piston. All rebound and compression damping is handled by the base valve.
The majority of the tuning is done by changing the size of the effective clamp shim, the stacks remains the same. This is pretty smart in that the shape of the damping curve does not really change, it just gets steeper or shallower (stiffer or softer) depending on the diameter of the clamp shim. It can also be done without rebuilding/bleeding the shock.
Vorsprung will sell the shock without the Sprindex for just over $1000USD. You need a 36mm ID spring or adapters to make a RS size spring like SAR fit. As a customer you also get access to the tuning hub which provides a crazy wealth of information and data.
Needless to say, this shock is very different (and quite possibly superior) to anything else out there in so many ways. I've got one on the way and am excited to see what it does. I currently have a "me" tuned Fox DHX, Avy tuned Bomber CR, Fluid Focus custom piston and tune Bomber CR, and a stock RS SD all in the same size and ready for some back to back to back testing on this beast;
(Going to need some brake rotors first)
NSMB Telum review, it's good (shocking
).https://nsmb.com/articles/vorsprung-telum/
Surprised there has not been more talk about the design, it is very unique. It is a twin tube design but there is no mid valve or shims on the piston attached to the damping rod, it is just a solid piston. All rebound and compression damping is handled by the base valve.
The majority of the tuning is done by changing the size of the effective clamp shim, the stacks remains the same. This is pretty smart in that the shape of the damping curve does not really change, it just gets steeper or shallower (stiffer or softer) depending on the diameter of the clamp shim. It can also be done without rebuilding/bleeding the shock.
Vorsprung will sell the shock without the Sprindex for just over $1000USD. You need a 36mm ID spring or adapters to make a RS size spring like SAR fit. As a customer you also get access to the tuning hub which provides a crazy wealth of information and data.
Needless to say, this shock is very different (and quite possibly superior) to anything else out there in so many ways. I've got one on the way and am excited to see what it does. I currently have a "me" tuned Fox DHX, Avy tuned Bomber CR, Fluid Focus custom piston and tune Bomber CR, and a stock RS SD all in the same size and ready for some back to back to back testing on this beast;
(Going to need some brake rotors first)
Look forward to this.Merry Christmas/happy holidays!
NSMB Telum review, it's good (shocking
https://nsmb.com/articles/vorsprung-telum/
Surprised there has not been more talk about the design, it is very unique. It is a twin tube design but there is no mid valve or shims on the piston attached to the damping rod, it is just a solid piston. All rebound and compression damping is handled by the base valve.
The majority of the tuning is done by changing the size of the effective clamp shim, the stacks remains the same. This is pretty smart in that the shape of the damping curve does not really change, it just gets steeper or shallower (stiffer or softer) depending on the diameter of the clamp shim. It can also be done without rebuilding/bleeding the shock.
Vorsprung will sell the shock without the Sprindex for just over $1000USD. You need a 36mm ID spring or adapters to make a RS size spring like SAR fit. As a customer you also get access to the tuning hub which provides a crazy wealth of information and data.
Needless to say, this shock is very different (and quite possibly superior) to anything else out there in so many ways. I've got one on the way and am excited to see what it does. I currently have a "me" tuned Fox DHX, Avy tuned Bomber CR, Fluid Focus custom piston and tune Bomber CR, and a stock RS SD all in the same size and ready for some back to back to back testing on this beast;
(Going to need some brake rotors first)
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"If you find yourself combining a trunnion (to shorten the shock) with a yoke (to lengthen the shock), put down the bong and start again when you’re sober."I'm going to order one, just not decided on the when yet. Also, just bought an e-storia as a side hustle to my storia v3
Edit: this had me smiling a lot.
I don't take notice of many suspension frames, do any have Trunnion and a Yoke?I'm going to order one, just not decided on the when yet. Also, just bought an e-storia as a side hustle to my storia v3
Edit: this had me smiling a lot.
Sounds like something Scott would do.......with 6mm hardware.
Doesn't work properly on the Dorado Air spring, you have to depress the core a decent bit to equalize the air springs.
If you just burp it like a normal fork you end up with a pressure difference between the neg and pos spring.
There's no hills in Australia so I've never been on a ride where I've needed to change the pressure, plus I'm a pretty shit rider so near enough is good enough.
EDIT, normally the edge of the valve cap is enough to bleed some air, a 4mm allen key is a bit fancy.
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If you know your trails, you know how much travel you should be using. Ultimately that determines the pressure needed.
No more Air Drop?Merry Christmas/happy holidays!
NSMB Telum review, it's good (shocking
https://nsmb.com/articles/vorsprung-telum/
Surprised there has not been more talk about the design, it is very unique. It is a twin tube design but there is no mid valve or shims on the piston attached to the damping rod, it is just a solid piston. All rebound and compression damping is handled by the base valve.
The majority of the tuning is done by changing the size of the effective clamp shim, the stacks remains the same. This is pretty smart in that the shape of the damping curve does not really change, it just gets steeper or shallower (stiffer or softer) depending on the diameter of the clamp shim. It can also be done without rebuilding/bleeding the shock.
Vorsprung will sell the shock without the Sprindex for just over $1000USD. You need a 36mm ID spring or adapters to make a RS size spring like SAR fit. As a customer you also get access to the tuning hub which provides a crazy wealth of information and data.
Needless to say, this shock is very different (and quite possibly superior) to anything else out there in so many ways. I've got one on the way and am excited to see what it does. I currently have a "me" tuned Fox DHX, Avy tuned Bomber CR, Fluid Focus custom piston and tune Bomber CR, and a stock RS SD all in the same size and ready for some back to back to back testing on this beast;
(Going to need some brake rotors first)
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Yep still have it currently running a Smashpot Lyrik.
It uses the same size shock, at some point going to put that "rapid revalve" to the test.
It uses the same size shock, at some point going to put that "rapid revalve" to the test.
So:
So far, I'm not finding any "blow me away settings". I think my Ohlins is better so far. Maybe not by much, but for 1/2 price, a far better deal so far. I've identified a few tunes and situations where it's ok, but that seems to compromise it in other situations. I think the spring rate is working out much better with the next-down sprindex. I got 3 good rides in AZ super-chunk, and while I didn't ride the gnarliest Sedona trails...there are plenty of lines to play with on the moderately chunky ones that exceed many other riding areas and really assess how the suspension is working. Unfortunately, Sedona was the worst ride of the three, with the mezzer axle coming loose (have had this before on other Mastodon, it seems that these have to be cranked to beyond-spec torque to not loosen up), losing mezzer rebound knob, and a suspension bolt backing out. I use my "assemble bike from transport bag" to usually check over everything, but the suspension bolt wasn't really affecting anything as far as bind, especially as evidenced by the later ride. Still, kind of a crazy number of things going wrong. I surely hate fiddle-f*cking around with the mezzer air spring to try and get the right +/++ balance and having to connect to the bottom. The tuned shockcraft tuned mezzer is ok, not mind blowing, but likely held back by the air spring drag as compared to running a coil rear. It did ok in some situations and was generally more of a highlight than the rear end when the axle was tight...but again, not like an Avalanche cart+coil.
I think I have a problem with the Telum (has been from the beginning). There's a slight clunk when it starts travel and another when it transitions to rebound. I worked on this during the last ride, turning all adjusters to zero, then increasing them one by one and it's very obvious the LSC is where the clunk comes from. Running zero, you can barely feel it, but running any significant LSC, regardless of any other adjustment, there's a noticeable clunk that can be felt when loading/unloading the shock and I can feel this through the handlebars when riding. Running closed or nearly closed LSC, big clunk both ways. I shot a video, but the spring noise seems to interfere with trying to show the clunk noise. All suspension is tight and cycles smoothly. So I'm not sure what the point is of this adjustment if it makes for a clunk in both directions. When slamming extreme chunk at speed it may not be nearly as noticeable, but when hitting more isolated bumps and just natural trail changes (slight g-outs/unloading) as you pedal, you feel it knocking back and forth. Contacting Vorsprung to see what they say. Maybe it's excessively tight shock bushings...but then it's more than 3 rides in, it's more like 10 good rides spanning a few hours each, so more like 20-25hrs of riding...which seems excessive. Playing around with my FF tuned Bomber CR and it couldn't be more different (no clunk, can increase LSC w/o issue).
So far, I'm not finding any "blow me away settings". I think my Ohlins is better so far. Maybe not by much, but for 1/2 price, a far better deal so far. I've identified a few tunes and situations where it's ok, but that seems to compromise it in other situations. I think the spring rate is working out much better with the next-down sprindex. I got 3 good rides in AZ super-chunk, and while I didn't ride the gnarliest Sedona trails...there are plenty of lines to play with on the moderately chunky ones that exceed many other riding areas and really assess how the suspension is working. Unfortunately, Sedona was the worst ride of the three, with the mezzer axle coming loose (have had this before on other Mastodon, it seems that these have to be cranked to beyond-spec torque to not loosen up), losing mezzer rebound knob, and a suspension bolt backing out. I use my "assemble bike from transport bag" to usually check over everything, but the suspension bolt wasn't really affecting anything as far as bind, especially as evidenced by the later ride. Still, kind of a crazy number of things going wrong. I surely hate fiddle-f*cking around with the mezzer air spring to try and get the right +/++ balance and having to connect to the bottom. The tuned shockcraft tuned mezzer is ok, not mind blowing, but likely held back by the air spring drag as compared to running a coil rear. It did ok in some situations and was generally more of a highlight than the rear end when the axle was tight...but again, not like an Avalanche cart+coil.
I think I have a problem with the Telum (has been from the beginning). There's a slight clunk when it starts travel and another when it transitions to rebound. I worked on this during the last ride, turning all adjusters to zero, then increasing them one by one and it's very obvious the LSC is where the clunk comes from. Running zero, you can barely feel it, but running any significant LSC, regardless of any other adjustment, there's a noticeable clunk that can be felt when loading/unloading the shock and I can feel this through the handlebars when riding. Running closed or nearly closed LSC, big clunk both ways. I shot a video, but the spring noise seems to interfere with trying to show the clunk noise. All suspension is tight and cycles smoothly. So I'm not sure what the point is of this adjustment if it makes for a clunk in both directions. When slamming extreme chunk at speed it may not be nearly as noticeable, but when hitting more isolated bumps and just natural trail changes (slight g-outs/unloading) as you pedal, you feel it knocking back and forth. Contacting Vorsprung to see what they say. Maybe it's excessively tight shock bushings...but then it's more than 3 rides in, it's more like 10 good rides spanning a few hours each, so more like 20-25hrs of riding...which seems excessive. Playing around with my FF tuned Bomber CR and it couldn't be more different (no clunk, can increase LSC w/o issue).
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Interesting.
That is originally why the shimmed "mid valve" was created. To bridge the damping gap between the shock moving and oil getting pushed through the base valve and creating damping. No mid valve = clunky?
I finally put the Fluid Focus kit in the Bomber CR and it is pretty good feeling in the driveway. Super smooth with zero clunk. Rebound is very interesting, definite transition from LSR to HSR. LSR is quick, but there is a nice hook in the HSR for deeper in the travel.
If you can service a shock at home, it is by far the best deal going for a fully custom high performance coil.
Bomber CR's are $250 new right now, FF kit is $165. Custom tuned coil for a little over $400?
That is originally why the shimmed "mid valve" was created. To bridge the damping gap between the shock moving and oil getting pushed through the base valve and creating damping. No mid valve = clunky?
I finally put the Fluid Focus kit in the Bomber CR and it is pretty good feeling in the driveway. Super smooth with zero clunk. Rebound is very interesting, definite transition from LSR to HSR. LSR is quick, but there is a nice hook in the HSR for deeper in the travel.
If you can service a shock at home, it is by far the best deal going for a fully custom high performance coil.
Bomber CR's are $250 new right now, FF kit is $165. Custom tuned coil for a little over $400?