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That goddamn Bush! Damn him for polluting the air and all...

N8 v2.0

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That eco-raping son-of-a-bi.... oh.... wait... never mind...




2003 Status Report Shows U.S. Air Cleanest Ever Since 1970
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency | 9/22/04 | Cynthia Bergman

News for release: Wednesday, September 22, 2004

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

2003 Status Report Shows U.S. Air Cleanest Ever Since 1970

Cynthia Bergman 202-564-9828 / bergman.cynthia@epa.gov

(Washington, D.C.-September 22, 2004) Total emissions of the six principal pollutants identified in the Clean Air Act dropped again in 2003, signaling that America's air is the cleanest ever in three decades, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) reported today. Annual emissions statistics for the six pollutants are considered major indicators of the quality of the nation's air because of their importance for human health and the existence of their long-standing national standards.

Emissions have continued to decrease even as our economy has increased more than 150 percent. Since 1970 (change numbers to reflect 1970 baseline), the aggregate total emissions for the six pollutants [Carbon Monoxide (CO), Nitrogen Oxides (NOx), Sulfur Dioxide (SO2), Particulate Matter (PM), Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) and Lead (Pb)] have been cut from 301.5 million tons per year to 147.8 million tons per year, a decrease of 51 percent. Total 2003 emissions were down 12 million tons since 2000, a 7.8 percent reduction. (See summary table at: http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/econ-emissions.html ).

"Thanks to this progress, today's air is the cleanest most Americans have ever breathed," said Administrator Mike Leavitt. "Now, EPA is taking up the challenge to accelerate the pace of that progress into the future."

The Agency recently issued regulations that will cut diesel pollution by 90 percent, and later this year will finalize regulations cutting power plant pollution by approximately 70 percent.

A major reason for the nation's progress is the innovative, market-based acid rain cap-and-trade program enacted in 1990. The Acid Rain Progress Report, also released today, shows annual SO2 and NOx emissions have declined 5.1 million tons (32 percent) and 2.5 million tons (37 percent), respectively, since 1990. The program generated double-digit cuts at its inception and is now maturing, with small fluctuations up and down as emissions gradually near their respective end goal caps.

"Cleaning the air gets more difficult as the maximum benefits from existing rules are achieved and the low-hanging fruit is gone," said Leavitt. "The sharp cuts of the early years of the Acid Rain Program are behind us now, and it's time to take the next step to protect people's health – the next step is the Clean Air Interstate Rule."

The Bush Administration's Clean Air Interstate Rule (CAIR) stands to be the acid rain program of the this decade, enabling the country to once again enjoy sharp cuts in harmful pollutant levels. It will use the same proven cap-and-trade approach as the Acid Rain program, creating financial incentives for electricity generators to look for new and low-cost ways to reduce emissions early.

CAIR will use cap-and-trade to address power plant emissions in 29 eastern states plus the District of Columbia. The program would cut SO2 by more than 40 percent from today's levels by 2010, and 70 percent when fully implemented. NOx emissions would be cut by 50 percent from today's levels by 2010, and 60 percent when fully implemented. The Administration plans to finalize CAIR this fall.

"The Acid Rain Program is a national success story because we achieved early reductions, cost-effectively and with near-perfect compliance," said Leavitt. "CAIR will provide similar benefits, ensuring that our nation's air continues to get cleaner well into the next decade."

For more information: CAIR: see http://www.epa.gov/interstateairquality/ 2003 Emissions Report: see http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/econ-emissions.html Acid Rain Report: see http://www.epa.gov/acidrainreport
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
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N8 said:
That eco-raping son-of-a-bi.... oh.... wait... never mind...




A major reason for the nation's progress is the innovative, market-based acid rain cap-and-trade program enacted in 1990. The Acid Rain Progress Report, also released today, shows annual SO2 and NOx emissions have declined 5.1 million tons (32 percent) and 2.5 million tons (37 percent), respectively, since 1990. The program generated double-digit cuts at its inception and is now maturing, with small fluctuations up and down as emissions gradually near their respective end goal caps.


This is all thanks to Bush Sr. Let's see if CAIR actually goes through...

Also, criticisms of W's environmental policy are aimed largely at record of handing out public lands and resources to private interests... this has little (in the short term) to do with air quality. Why don't you pull up some stats about 1st and 2nd generation forest acreage change, protected land acreage change, and miles of logging/mining/drilling roads built with tax-payer dollars in the last 4 years?
 

pnj

Turbo Monkey till the fat lady sings
Aug 14, 2002
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seriously.

n8 do you ride a bike in the woods? around these parts, there are fewer trees due to them being cut down. trees that had been protected until bush signed a 'cut the trees down' bill.
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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pnj said:
seriously.

n8 do you ride a bike in the woods? around these parts, there are fewer trees due to them being cut down. trees that had been protected until bush signed a 'cut the trees down' bill.

All I gotta say about the PacNW is ya'll got some punkass trees up in that bitch. Down here, you could level a forest and in 10 years be riding trails like nothing happened. 20 years and the trees'd be just as big around. Your trees do grow back right? I mean, are they cutting down redwoods or what?
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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BurlySurly said:
All I gotta say about the PacNW is ya'll got some punkass trees up in that bitch. Down here, you could level a forest and in 10 years be riding trails like nothing happened. 20 years and the trees'd be just as big around. Your trees do grow back right? I mean, are they cutting down redwoods or what?
The PNW has some real trees, and that makes them even more attractive. A 10 foot wide 600 year old doug fir has a lot more wood in it that the scrangly sticks of pine trees we have down south.
 

BurlyShirley

Rex Grossman Will Rise Again
Jul 4, 2002
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TN
What forests in the PacNW have been logged as a result of this so called "cut the trees down" bill bush signed?
 

Westy

the teste
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BurlySurly said:
What forests in the PacNW have been logged as a result of this so called "cut the trees down" bill bush signed?
No idea there. I just know the forests are quite a bit different. Possibly due to the fact that there is hardly any virgin forest left in the east. Actually I don't think I have ever seen any eastern old growth.
 

pnj

Turbo Monkey till the fat lady sings
Aug 14, 2002
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green mountain I know for sure has been cut. most of the trees around here are not old growth. they were logged in the 40's or so. or earlier. definitly NOT 10, 20 or even 30 years ago. we have some big trees up here, they don't get big in a short time span.

we also have this thing called underbrush. in other parts off the USA, you have trees and a few shrubs. we have a lot of green stuff up here.

plus, won't somebody please think of the children? oops, I mean, think of the creatures that once called those trees/forrest home. if we cut their habitats down, they are going to want to come live in my neighborhood, and I can't have that.

on the other hand, the more trees we cut down and cement over, the more places there will be to get kicked out of for street riding.
 

N8 v2.0

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pnj said:
seriously.

n8 do you ride a bike in the woods? .

Are you serious?

Forests cover 48 percent, approximately 13.8 million acres, of Louisiana's land area. Fifty-nine of Louisiana's 64 parishes contain land capable of producing sufficient timber to support forest industry activities as well as provide habitat for wildlife, recreation, scenic beauty and all the other environmental benefits timberlands provide.

There are approximately 148,000 owners of Louisiana forest land. Private, non-industrial landowners own 62 percent of the state's forest land, forest products industries own 29 percent, and the public owns nine percent.
 

biggins

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May 18, 2003
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N8 said:
Are you serious?

Forests cover 48 percent, approximately 13.8 million acres, of Louisiana's land area. Fifty-nine of Louisiana's 64 parishes contain land capable of producing sufficient timber to support forest industry activities as well as provide habitat for wildlife, recreation, scenic beauty and all the other environmental benefits timberlands provide.

There are approximately 148,000 owners of Louisiana forest land. Private, non-industrial landowners own 62 percent of the state's forest land, forest products industries own 29 percent, and the public owns nine percent.
yeah but those numbers dont mean jack N8! sure they may be private owned but is that suppose to guarantee that the public has use of them? no!also louisiana, sure it may have all those trees, damn shame they are all surrounded by water. your point is pretty moot in those above statistics you are banned from this thread until you come up with something that has a point.
 

N8 v2.0

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biggins said:
yeah but those numbers dont mean jack N8! sure they may be private owned but is that suppose to guarantee that the public has use of them? no!also louisiana, sure it may have all those trees, damn shame they are all surrounded by water. your point is pretty moot in those above statistics you are banned from this thread until you come up with something that has a point.
That's my point. Only 9% of the land is held in the public trust, yet there are more damn trees in this state then you can shake a stick at.

The evil land owners are not denuding the forests. Trees are a cash crop in LA so they are everywhere.


BTW, Your current rumpness avatar is lame.

Vive Brazil!!!
 

biggins

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May 18, 2003
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N8 said:
That's my point. Only 9% of the land is held in the public trust, yet there are more damn trees in this state then you can shake a stick at.

The evil land owners are not denuding the forests. Trees are a cash crop in LA so they are everywhere.


BTW, Your current rumpness avatar is lame.

Vive Brazil!!!

seriously? but thats stoshs girlfriends ass.
 

bpatterson6

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In case you guys have missed it, we have had ALOT OF FOREST FIRES in the last few years in Colorado. It's my opinion that thinning the forest reduces the amount of underbrush that adds fuel to the fire and these tactics can be helpful in reducing the amount of uncontrollable forest fires thus saving creatures homes and reducing the harmful effects that these fires produce to the Global warming issue and also polution. I dont think Dubya has any intention of wiping out our forests.

If you wanna talk about problems with logging and wiping out forests & Rain Forests, look no further than S. America. Someone, Somewhere needs to do something to stop these people from destroying these valuable lands that produce many many things the world needs.
 

pnj

Turbo Monkey till the fat lady sings
Aug 14, 2002
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bpatterson6 said:
In case you guys have missed it, we have had ALOT OF FOREST FIRES in the last few years in Colorado. It's my opinion that thinning the forest reduces the amount of underbrush that adds fuel to the fire and these tactics can be helpful in reducing the amount of uncontrollable forest fires thus saving creatures homes and reducing the harmful effects that these fires produce to the Global warming issue and also polution. I dont think Dubya has any intention of wiping out our forests.

If you wanna talk about problems with logging and wiping out forests & Rain Forests, look no further than S. America. Someone, Somewhere needs to do something to stop these people from destroying these valuable lands that produce many many things the world needs.
very true. very very.

it's like the american indians in these parts, who go out in tiny boats,with little paddles and try to throw sticks at giant whales. people get all bent out of shape, because, you know, they are gunna kill all the whales with their pointy sticks. but other parts of the world (japan I belive) use modern technology to kill many many whales. who is really harming the world?
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
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bpatterson6 said:
In case you guys have missed it, we have had ALOT OF FOREST FIRES in the last few years in Colorado. It's my opinion that thinning the forest reduces the amount of underbrush that adds fuel to the fire and these tactics can be helpful in reducing the amount of uncontrollable forest fires
Unfortunately, it's exactly that... your opinion. Forest fires actually reduce the amount of underbrush, though smart logging does help prevent the spread of fires. Unfortunately, a lot of recent logging has hardly been selective.
 

RhinofromWA

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valve bouncer said:
How long before Rhino sees this thread and goes on a posting frenzy.....god help us all;)
:p I am "under Employed" and don't have access to the Monkey other than the library.....so you are lucky...punk :D ;)