The Car thread
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First Porsche 911 Hybrid Could Be Reborn 700-HP New GT2 RS: Report
Mild-hybrid tech borrowed from Le Mans 919 race cars could make the next GT2 RS the fastest road-going Porsche ever.
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Got a Corolla Cross while the Rav4 is in the shop. Pretty fun little car. Good in the snow and ice. Easy to park. Lots of room. Got stuck halfway up the camp road. Just backed it up and got a head of steam. Made it up the rest of the way no problem.
How many SUVs do Toyota make now? The Yaris sea creature has to be the worst looking of the bunch.
I liked the oldish days when every car in the local church car park was a white Corolla or Camry and nobody knew what the fuck an SUV was.
This is almost certainly going to be well over my budget, but one of the few cars that would entice me to replace my Golf R:
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Edit, of course there's this as well:
www.thedrive.com
Really just want the RS3 Sportback in the US.
Audi Is Bringing the Ultra-Hot RS4 Sporty Wagon to America
Your filthiest performance wagon fantasy is about to come true.
Edit, of course there's this as well:
Audi Denies Rumor That RS4 Avant Wagon Is Coming to America
A slip by a PR rep sparked excited speculation by wagon fans, but to no avail.
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Really just want the RS3 Sportback in the US.
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It's kind of too little too late for me. Now RS4s, especially wagons, are going to be closer to 100K than 60K like 20 years ago, and the RS3 wagon is probably just not big enough to take a bike comfortably (I'm sure it'd do it uncomfortably though). It's still appealing...This is almost certainly going to be well over my budget, but one of the few cars that would entice me to replace my Golf R:
Audi Is Bringing the Ultra-Hot RS4 Sporty Wagon to America
Your filthiest performance wagon fantasy is about to come true.
Edit, of course there's this as well:
Audi Denies Rumor That RS4 Avant Wagon Is Coming to America
A slip by a PR rep sparked excited speculation by wagon fans, but to no avail.
Really just want the RS3 Sportback in the US.
[manly truck voice]That's the *average*?!?
Rugged individualists need massaging leather seats as they haul
[/manly truck voice]
It takes a whole lot of corollas to bring the average down from a Chiron. Reporting average new car prices never made sense, not when there's an ever increasing market at the extreme top end of the scale.That's the *average*?!?
^^I've decided not to buy the new 4 door Ferrari. I'll spend the spare $400k on something else instead.
I think it's fair to report the average full size pickup sale price. I don't know what the most expensive version is that you could possibly buy, but it's definitely going to be less than a Chiron. Given that an F-150 starts in the low 30s I'd imagine that the average and median aren't that far apart.
My original message was basically just "first world problems" bitching that as a mid career, dual income, no kids, person who likes cars, the kind of stuff that would seemingly be targeted at me are like 2x what I could ever imagine spending on a car. Then again, there are 8 year car loans.
My original message was basically just "first world problems" bitching that as a mid career, dual income, no kids, person who likes cars, the kind of stuff that would seemingly be targeted at me are like 2x what I could ever imagine spending on a car. Then again, there are 8 year car loans.
Yeah - but when it's narrowed down like that, it becomes somewhat useful... I mean the range of full-size truck prices can't really be *that* great, can it? Maybe $35K on the low end for a bare-bones work truck and $100K for a fully loaded, bling'd out brodozer?
Bugatti doesn't make a full sized truck nor is a corolla, that is a fairly narrow market content.
From Auto Dealer Today Magazine
"The best-selling vehicle in the U.S. is the Ford F-Series pickup truck, and consumers pay an average of $66,451"
When I bought my current car I thought I was being rather extravagant, turns out it was less than the national average.
Ferrari is a good example, the SUV is comming out because they require buyers of
$34k for a base F150 XL, but if we're talking specifically f150 then you go up to the Raptor R at $109k sticker, if that average is the actual transaction price, who TF knows where that upper limit was. Dealers around here were getting $10-20k on top of sticker for the higher end f150s, and $50-75k for Raptors. Superduties were the same story, but they have a base price around $45k, so none of them are doing much to bring down that average.
The Transit also nuked a huge portion of cheap work truck sales, you rarely see a new F150 XL around here with a lumber rack, but you see about a million vans, because vans are just better, unless you're towing/hauling.
Damnit! missed that it was truck related.
$34k for a base F150 XL, but if we're talking specifically f150 then you go up to the Raptor R at $109k sticker, if that average is the actual transaction price, who TF knows where that upper limit was. Dealers around here were getting $10-20k on top of sticker for the higher end f150s, and $50-75k for Raptors. Superduties were the same story, but they have a base price around $45k, so none of them are doing much to bring down that average.
The Transit also nuked a huge portion of cheap work truck sales, you rarely see a new F150 XL around here with a lumber rack, but you see about a million vans, because vans are just better, unless you're towing/hauling.
Coming from the UK where vans (normally Transit) were the go to for any contractors, I always wondered why the fascination with pickups over here when you can't lock stuff in them, or you have to buy a cap and then it's still a crap version of a van.
Finally another electric wagon option, at lest for us Euros. Being a Nio, this ET5 variant won’t be cheap, but it’s nice to finally have a few choices by next year, when BMW, VW and Audi should also have wagons available.
Ford better move quick if they want to stay on top for F150 sales. We currently have 96 new F150's rotting on the lot because the lease for the truck is actually based on realistic numbers for once. Gone are the days of leasing a $61,000 F150 for $450 a months.
for people that are buying, what's the range you're seeing on loan durations?
The Ranger Raptor is supposedly close to launching too at a cool $80-$90K. FOR A GODDAMN FORD RANGER!!!
Can't speak to his local situation, but overall:
Average Car Payment and Auto Loan Statistics 2023 | LendingTree
The average car payment for new vehicles was a record-high $700 in the third quarter of 2022, a double-digit percentage jump from the third quarter of 2021.
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36 to 78 months. That is a tough one to pinpoint. Hyundai Finance has 0% for 48 months and all of a sudden mother fuckers that need to be $350 a month are cool with $900 a month @ 0%. Or they suddenly have $25k cash laying around to get to their desired $350 a month payment
Most buyers in this market are not going to crazy terms to impress the Jones' like some other areas. We really only see the 72+ month terms for people in need of reliable transportation with sub prime credit.
Yesterday a dude came in looking at a used F350 dually for 84 months at $900 a month, wanted the truck but had no need for it
we were $20k apart based on where he wanted to be for payment 
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Seems spot on, number don't lie.Can't speak to his local situation, but overall:
.Average Car Payment and Auto Loan Statistics 2023 | LendingTree
The average car payment for new vehicles was a record-high $700 in the third quarter of 2022, a double-digit percentage jump from the third quarter of 2021.www.lendingtree.com
thanks for the info guys. i know loan durations had been increasing over the past few years, but wasn't sure if it had stabilized or kept creeping longer.
To be fair, DCU at least does the same fixed rate for any term out to 65 months.68 months on *used* vehicles?
/me will go with DCU @ 65 mo unless Mercedes captive finance has magic low-rate fairy dust in them
Auto loan terms will not change all that much since vehicle longevity does not change. Cars do last longer these days but most people just do not take care of them.
12-15 years ago we saw a few of banks offering crazy terms of 84-96 months and then they went away. I am sure the banks lost their ass on a handful of those loans and said no thanks moving forward.
We use about 25 banks and I think 2 of them will go to 84 months and there are stipulations to get that term.
It's the American dream!68 months on *used* vehicles?
We sell a ton of late model used, 75% of the ones we finance in house are 72 months.
Yep, that is because people who take out 84 month car loans already make bad decisions,
and that gives them 7 years to make even more of them.
and that gives them 7 years to make even more of them.
how much negative equity are you rolling over these days? all of it?!It's the American dream!
We sell a ton of late model used, 75% of the ones we finance in house are 72 months.
If it's super low interest, why not do the long ass loan terms? Some of the used car loans I see are dumb, and rolling debt from one car to the next is dumb, but a new car at 0-1.5% for whatever period you plan to keep the thing makes some sense, to me anyway. Especially on trucks that retain value reasonably well.
Have a list of said inventory? Not quite ready for a new truck, but if I can weasel a deal on your rotting, unwanted inventory...
Can't imagine that's an accurate number. Bronco Raptor tops out at $80, f150 Raptor starts at like $75k. If the Ranger starts higher than the real Raptor it would have to be something really special. I'd assume the Ranger Raptor will be $20-25k less than the f150.The Ranger Raptor is supposedly close to launching too at a cool $80-$90K. FOR A GODDAMN FORD RANGER!!!
I agree with this philosophy. But I'm not sure such deals are common any more in this era of non-free money.