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Turbo Monkey
Apr 5, 2008
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SWB or LWB? LWB has a bigger pack. not as big as it should be but better.
SWB. The LWB is not sold yet around here yet. There are quite some carpenters using them as their work vans and for in city use they are amazing. Longer distance, not so much.
City hipster dads love the van version and because it is Denmark, where your summer house is probably less than 50 miles away from your regular house, the range is fine for them too. I talked to every owner I see and consensus sadly is that this is a soccer mom/dad van. One guy told me about his nightmare trip to Italy and he blamed it on the shitty charging infrastructure in Germany. No shit, but that is sadly the reality and nearly cannot be avoided when travelling anywhere South.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
40,039
8,954
SWB. The LWB is not sold yet around here yet. There are quite some carpenters using them as their work vans and for in city use they are amazing. Longer distance, not so much.
City hipster dads love the van version and because it is Denmark, where your summer house is probably less than 50 miles away from your regular house, the range is fine for them too. I talked to every owner I see and consensus sadly is that this is a soccer mom/dad van. One guy told me about his nightmare trip to Italy and he blamed it on the shitty charging infrastructure in Germany. No shit, but that is sadly the reality and nearly cannot be avoided when travelling anywhere South.
We're still awaiting the (LWB only) rollout here. I want one, and a ~200 mi range is just fine for my uses, even though my winter house is farther than 50 miles away. (86 miles or so, but over a pass and with significant net elevation gain.)
 

iRider

Turbo Monkey
Apr 5, 2008
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3,248
We're still awaiting the (LWB only) rollout here. I want one, and a ~200 mi range is just fine for my uses, even though my winter house is farther than 50 miles away. (86 miles or so, but over a pass and with significant net elevation gain.)
Here they say the SWB will not get the larger battery pack and the consensus is that for the LWB the additional weight takes some of the additional range advantage away. They will not offer the LWB as a cargo van, which sucks. I really wanted to buy one, but after I got the new electric moto, my summer commute and grocery run needs are covered. So I only need something for long trips and with all the disadvantages the Buzz is too expensive IMO. If it would cost 1/3 less I probably would risk trying it.
 

CBJ

year old fart
Mar 19, 2002
13,247
5,286
Copenhagen, Denmark
SWB. The LWB is not sold yet around here yet. There are quite some carpenters using them as their work vans and for in city use they are amazing. Longer distance, not so much.
City hipster dads love the van version and because it is Denmark, where your summer house is probably less than 50 miles away from your regular house, the range is fine for them too. I talked to every owner I see and consensus sadly is that this is a soccer mom/dad van. One guy told me about his nightmare trip to Italy and he blamed it on the shitty charging infrastructure in Germany. No shit, but that is sadly the reality and nearly cannot be avoided when travelling anywhere South.
LWB should be on sale now in Denmark.
 

DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
11,677
3,169
The bunker at parliament
Currently vaporware, but subscribed to see if it pans out



Oh they sold me on it with just this one bit!!!!!!!!

Analog Is Better
We're not luddites, but technology has a way of creeping into every nook and facet of a car, and we don't think it belongs. We let the computer manage the engine, maybe some electric windows, and that's about it. And don't take our buttons away.
 

HardtailHack

used an iron once
Jan 20, 2009
7,924
7,347
looks like a PT Cruiser had a late term abortion...
I swear 50% of the PT cruisers that were sold in Australia still seem to be on the road, it's really weird.
There was probably a similar number of Neons sold but I haven't seen one for years.
 

6thElement

Schrodinger's Immigrant
Jul 29, 2008
17,427
14,928
I seem to have deleted the video of our plow truck fuel gauge needle, which now just spins 360 degrees until the oil pressure needle climbs to vertical and it wedges against it...
 

Changleen

Paranoid Member
Jan 9, 2004
14,854
2,812
Pōneke
On the Cusp of All-Electric
In Norway, Toyota is going from one all-electric model to five to better compete with Tesla, fuel stations are ripping out pumps to make space for chargers, and even nursing homes in the rural interior have switched to battery-powered cars despite months of arctic cold.

All are signs of the dramatic shift that has put the Nordic country on the cusp of becoming the first market in the world to all but eliminate sales of new combustion-powered cars.

“It’s cold here, there are mountains, long distances to drive,” Yngve Slyngstad, the former head of Norway’s $1.8 trillion sovereign wealth fund, said on the way to his electric car in downtown Oslo. “There are so many reasons EVs shouldn’t have been a success here, and yet we’ve done it.”


It’s a transition that happened with remarkable speed. While there have long been incentives to encourage EV purchases — mainly to promote short-lived domestic upstarts — adoption only started to accelerate in recent years, as a greater variety of cars became available. Once an inflection point was reached, the ramp-up was rapid.

Despite winding back some tax benefits, EVs accounted for 94% of new car sales in October — almost double the rate in China — putting the country within reach of a goal to stop adding combustion engines next year.

Norway’s progress is bucking trends elsewhere. In Europe, sales have declined this year, while in the US, the reelection of Donald Trump poses a risk to the country’s halting progress toward zero-emission vehicles.

Norway had advantages that helped propel the transition — not the least being its oil and gas wealth — as well as successive governments that were aligned on the need to reduce transport emissions. But its cold climate and low population density were hurdles. It’s also a mature market, which meant changing ingrained habits and making it an important test case for other developed countries.

“This market is not a big market in terms of the volume, but in terms of the lessons that are then applied for the future, it’s huge,” said Piotr Pawlak, president at Toyota Norway.


To keep pace with the changing market, Norwegian fuel station operators like Circle K are investing in chargers even in rural areas. Photographer: Naina Helén Jåma/Bloomberg
The gradual end of the combustion-engine era has brought about changes big and small. In the auto industry, Tesla has replaced Toyota and VW as the nation’s most popular brand, and Chinese manufacturers like Nio and BYD are expanding. There are now more than 160 electric models available, compared with less than 10 a decade ago.

Fueling stations have had to rethink their business model. Repair shops have had to invest in high-voltage facilities, but are also under pressure to service more cars because it takes less time to fix an EV.

There are also issues that have yet to be sorted out like what happens to batteries after an electric car gets scrapped. And despite Norway’s success, combustion cars still account for about three out of four cars on the road. The transition for commercial vehicles has only just started.


Moller Group removes and replaces battery packs and has specialist equipment to do so. Photographer: Naina Helén Jåma/Bloomberg
To explore what the shift means, Bloomberg went from remote Rendalen, where EV penetration is one of the lowest in the country, to Oslo, where combustion-powered cars are getting crowded out.

In the sparse interior of Norway, roads weave through mountains and dense evergreen forests and towns are few and far between.

In the valley of Rendalen, there’s a museum dedicated to the region’s rugged history, which is open only from July through early September, when there’s less risk of visitors getting stranded in snow and ice. And yet even here, the future of the auto industry has arrived, with two bright green chargers in the parking lot.

The municipality also bought seven electric compact SUVs from Toyota, mainly for medical staff from the local nursing facility to use for home visits. They arrived last summer and performed well through the first winter, according to Tore Hornseth, Rendalen’s business manager.

“There was probably more skepticism than what was needed,” Hornseth said. “It’s always a bit like that.”
 

iRider

Turbo Monkey
Apr 5, 2008
5,790
3,248
On the Cusp of All-Electric
In Norway, Toyota is going from one all-electric model to five to better compete with Tesla, fuel stations are ripping out pumps to make space for chargers, and even nursing homes in the rural interior have switched to battery-powered cars despite months of arctic cold.

All are signs of the dramatic shift that has put the Nordic country on the cusp of becoming the first market in the world to all but eliminate sales of new combustion-powered cars.

“It’s cold here, there are mountains, long distances to drive,” Yngve Slyngstad, the former head of Norway’s $1.8 trillion sovereign wealth fund, said on the way to his electric car in downtown Oslo. “There are so many reasons EVs shouldn’t have been a success here, and yet we’ve done it.”


It’s a transition that happened with remarkable speed. While there have long been incentives to encourage EV purchases — mainly to promote short-lived domestic upstarts — adoption only started to accelerate in recent years, as a greater variety of cars became available. Once an inflection point was reached, the ramp-up was rapid.

Despite winding back some tax benefits, EVs accounted for 94% of new car sales in October — almost double the rate in China — putting the country within reach of a goal to stop adding combustion engines next year.

Norway’s progress is bucking trends elsewhere. In Europe, sales have declined this year, while in the US, the reelection of Donald Trump poses a risk to the country’s halting progress toward zero-emission vehicles.

Norway had advantages that helped propel the transition — not the least being its oil and gas wealth — as well as successive governments that were aligned on the need to reduce transport emissions. But its cold climate and low population density were hurdles. It’s also a mature market, which meant changing ingrained habits and making it an important test case for other developed countries.

“This market is not a big market in terms of the volume, but in terms of the lessons that are then applied for the future, it’s huge,” said Piotr Pawlak, president at Toyota Norway.


To keep pace with the changing market, Norwegian fuel station operators like Circle K are investing in chargers even in rural areas. Photographer: Naina Helén Jåma/Bloomberg
The gradual end of the combustion-engine era has brought about changes big and small. In the auto industry, Tesla has replaced Toyota and VW as the nation’s most popular brand, and Chinese manufacturers like Nio and BYD are expanding. There are now more than 160 electric models available, compared with less than 10 a decade ago.

Fueling stations have had to rethink their business model. Repair shops have had to invest in high-voltage facilities, but are also under pressure to service more cars because it takes less time to fix an EV.

There are also issues that have yet to be sorted out like what happens to batteries after an electric car gets scrapped. And despite Norway’s success, combustion cars still account for about three out of four cars on the road. The transition for commercial vehicles has only just started.


Moller Group removes and replaces battery packs and has specialist equipment to do so. Photographer: Naina Helén Jåma/Bloomberg
To explore what the shift means, Bloomberg went from remote Rendalen, where EV penetration is one of the lowest in the country, to Oslo, where combustion-powered cars are getting crowded out.

In the sparse interior of Norway, roads weave through mountains and dense evergreen forests and towns are few and far between.

In the valley of Rendalen, there’s a museum dedicated to the region’s rugged history, which is open only from July through early September, when there’s less risk of visitors getting stranded in snow and ice. And yet even here, the future of the auto industry has arrived, with two bright green chargers in the parking lot.

The municipality also bought seven electric compact SUVs from Toyota, mainly for medical staff from the local nursing facility to use for home visits. They arrived last summer and performed well through the first winter, according to Tore Hornseth, Rendalen’s business manager.

“There was probably more skepticism than what was needed,” Hornseth said. “It’s always a bit like that.”
After how much oil they sold, they better be at the forefront of cleaning up that mess. :mad:
Instead of (or parallel to) promoting EVs, they should better stop selling oil. That would have a bigger positive impact on the climate.
 

JohnE

filthy rascist
May 13, 2005
13,562
2,208
Front Range, dude...
Buddy on my hockey team, more $$ than brains type, bought a Cyber truck. All the other Elon bros and MAGAT types are drooling over it, and its only on its 3rd recall

Meanwhile, my Tacoma is pushing 150K miles, after nothing but routine maintenance...
 
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boogenman

Turbo Monkey
Nov 3, 2004
4,421
1,115
BUFFALO
Buddy on my hockey team, more $$ than brains type, bought a Cyber truck. All the other Elon bros and MAGAT types are drooling over it, and its only on its 3rd recall

Meanwhile, my Tacoma is pushing 150K miles,aftert nothign but routing maintenance...
I had a 2004 Corolla, best car I ever owned. Certainly not the nicest but it was a fine automobile when I got rid of it with 200k on the clock.