[Jm_]

Humans can and will get used to nearly everything, always have; some BC Roman dude has a quote about ‘man does adapt to any circumstance’ or some shit like that, and except in extreme circumstances we pretty much always look back on history with highly rose tinted glasses. It’s probably a survival trait.

In the 80s I hated most 80s music; now, I ran so far away. There are millions of examples of similar.

Well, everything except gaping non-functional kidney grills.

Seriously, some cars are hit with the ugly stick. The current honda civic is ok, has some critics and the R kind of went over the top, but that's the point of the R? But go back a few years ago, not 10 years, but more like 5, and they had some hideous ones that were pretty bad. Then go back to the 2007 or so, those were pretty clean and decent looking.

My point, not everything gets better. Yes, some of it grows on you, the last gen BMW 3-serious never did and the new one looks pretty bland...but it sure doesn't look as bad as an M3/M4/4-coupe does now. Some of the stuff stays bad.

That electric 4GC doesn't look as bad as the above BMWs, but the grille is still baffoonery.

 

[maxyedor]

feel like the E60 bangle design aged remarkably well....not sure the flared nostrils will look good in 10 years.

It only aged well because the newer models are hard to tell apart from the old ones, and they got no prettier along the way. I genuinely can't tell how old most Bimmers are, once the "new car shine" wears off, they all sorta look the same. Somehow a clean, well maintained pre-Bangle 3 or 5 series still looks newer than a Bangle 5.

I work near one of BMWs secret design studios, and see those new mega nostril M3s and M4s all the time, they will erase the legacy of Bangle styling, holy fuck they're ugly. Pictures do not do them justice, it's actually impressive how bad they are, especially in that weird pre-production "camo" wrap pattern.

 

[dump]

It only aged well because the newer models are hard to tell apart from the old ones, and they got no prettier along the way. I genuinely can't tell how old most Bimmers are, once the "new car shine" wears off, they all sorta look the same. Somehow a clean, well maintained pre-Bangle 3 or 5 series still looks newer than a Bangle 5.

Yeah, this is spot on.

 

[dump]

It also makes me realize how much human energy/capital is put into hundreds of permutations of effectively the same thing. It’s almost as though cars are all approaching the same asymptote... it makes you wonder why there are so many.

 

[dump]

Since we are talking bmw, the rise of fake in their cars shows where they are headed. Fake engine sound piped through the sound system, fake vents/mouldings, fake intakes?!

Also, when I was going to buy a new car in 2019, I was leaning heavily at a 3 or an x1. I went to the prime dealership in town, went inside, poked around for 45 minutes... inside. None of the 10-15 salespeople came to meet me or inquire. I left and bought another brand.

 

[6thElement]

It also makes me realize how much human energy/capital is put into hundreds of permutations of effectively the same thing. It’s almost as though cars are all approaching the same asymptote... it makes you wonder why there are so many.

Wife and I remarked on similar the other day sticking to the car theme.

Next time you're driving along, look at all the mid-size SUV's you see now. If they didn't have a badge on the back you wouldn't know what they were and they're all nigh on identical looking.

 

[dump]

Wife and I remarked on similar the other day sticking to the car theme.

Next time you're driving along, look at all the mid-size SUV's you see now. If they didn't have a badge on the back you wouldn't know what they were and they're all nigh on identical looking.

Yes, it’s especially clear for that segment.

 

[Jm_]

It only aged well because the newer models are hard to tell apart from the old ones, and they got no prettier along the way. I genuinely can't tell how old most Bimmers are, once the "new car shine" wears off, they all sorta look the same. Somehow a clean, well maintained pre-Bangle 3 or 5 series still looks newer than a Bangle 5.

I work near one of BMWs secret design studios, and see those new mega nostril M3s and M4s all the time, they will erase the legacy of Bangle styling, holy fuck they're ugly. Pictures do not do them justice, it's actually impressive how bad they are, especially in that weird pre-production "camo" wrap pattern.

I like a Bangle 3, the angular lines and compact shape fit well together. Do not like that 5 and never have. The eyes are swinted towards the sides and that takes away from the classic BMW shape a bit. Then there's that trunk, not as bad as the 7, but still pretty bad. I like the next 2 5 series gens after the Bangle, especially in M-sport trim, they had a nice body shape IMO, decently looking, but not loud.

The newer 7 with the giant nostrils...that just looks bad.

 

[stevew]

interesting

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

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interesting

They make/sell those réplicas in argentina for about US$ 30k

 

[HardtailHack]

 

[Nick]

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interesting

omg yes

 

[Jm_]

Sunday.

And it hauls bikes.

 

[6thElement]

New Ford Maverick unibody pickup. This should have had an electric option...

Ford's Maverick is America's lowest-priced pickup and its cheapest hybrid

Ford's new small truck comes with a standard hybrid powertrain good for 40 mpg, and it starts at $21,490 delivered. Is it a gamechanger?

www.cnet.com

 

[Westy]

New Ford Maverick unibody pickup. This should have had an electric option...

Ford's Maverick is America's lowest-priced pickup and its cheapest hybrid

Ford's new small truck comes with a standard hybrid powertrain good for 40 mpg, and it starts at $21,490 delivered. Is it a gamechanger?

www.cnet.com

It is a copy and paste truck version of the Bronco

 

[Toshi]

New Ford Maverick unibody pickup. This should have had an electric option...

Ford's Maverick is America's lowest-priced pickup and its cheapest hybrid

Ford's new small truck comes with a standard hybrid powertrain good for 40 mpg, and it starts at $21,490 delivered. Is it a gamechanger?

www.cnet.com

said version will be coming

https://twitter.com/mrlevine/status/1402268994585960469

tweeter is the Ford NA Product Communications Director

 

[6thElement]

I'd prefer this over the earlier posted Rimac

 

[Jm_]

I'd prefer this over the earlier posted Rimac

Just make it a 388 GTO!

 

[Sandro]

Eff this future where every feature is turned into a service to generate recurring revenue streams.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/06/volkswagen-plans-to-offer-subscriptions-for-autonomous-driving-extra-ev-range/

 

[canadmos]

Since we are talking bmw, the rise of fake in their cars shows where they are headed. Fake engine sound piped through the sound system, fake vents/mouldings, fake intakes?!

They've been doing the fake sound thing for a long time now. BMW sound broken anyways, so maybe its for the best?

Fake vents, intakes and whatnot are horrible, I don't get them. Toyota is one that is guilty of sticking them on every car. Added costs, complexity, bad looks, take away the specialness of cars with functional vents etc....why?

Kind of referencing your other posts about why are there so many cars, yeah I don't know either. BMW, again, is on the spot here. Why do they need 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 series of cars, which all have multiple models? Or like their "coupe" models; they make a 4 door version of the 2 door version, which was spun off of the 4 door version of the car. What?

 

[maxyedor]

Eff this future where every feature is turned into a service to generate recurring revenue streams.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/06/volkswagen-plans-to-offer-subscriptions-for-autonomous-driving-extra-ev-range/

If it added zero cost to the car, and you only got charged when you used it, then I'm okay with using it as a subscription, but you know that's not how it will be. You're going to get $2500 baked into the cost of the car, then get charged $8.50/hr to use your own shit, fuck that.

 

[Changleen]

Yeah with a car I want to own a feature, not rent it. Having said this, if the car comes with Autodrive hardware (and I mean L5 or whatever we’re calling FSD these days) and my locality hasn’t made it legal yet, and the $10k or whatever is taken off the sticker price, then let’s talk. I’d still like the buy outright option once it is legal though.

 

[Changleen]

Also at the moment the ID Buzz is still defo my ‘most looked forward to’ EV. As much as 2.1second 0-60 is cool, it is utterly utterly unnecessary and essentially a penis thing.

 

[canadmos]

Subscription based stuff is so dumbbbbbbbb. I get why it is done, but come on!

But owning vs renting is a whole other issue. Tesla has been guilty of removing features from cars that were sold on the used market, saying something like the feature wasn't actually sold to you, so you don't get the privilege of using it unless you pay again. And then there is virtually every piece of software out there that isn't open source, you're essentially just paying for the privilege of them allowing you to use it.

Sunday.
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And it hauls bikes.

But does it haul the mail?

 

[Jm_]

But does it haul the mail?

No, there is no way to reach a mail-box from inside the car. Have verified.

 

[HardtailHack]

As much as 2.1second 0-60 is cool, it is utterly utterly unnecessary and essentially a penis thing.

So is owning a DH bike so you can get from the top of the hill to the bottom as quickly as possible, but it is a bunch of fun.

 

[Changleen]

A DH bike takes skill and fitness to ride at funspeed, and involves significant and genuine personal risk. This what makes it truly repeatably rewarding and fun. Any idiot can push an accelerator pedal and be propelled forward in a straight line and will mostly be endangering others who did not consent to such.

 

[Toshi]

But owning vs renting is a whole other issue. Tesla has been guilty of removing features from cars that were sold on the used market, saying something like the feature wasn't actually sold to you, so you don't get the privilege of using it unless you pay again. And then there is virtually every piece of software out there that isn't open source, you're essentially just paying for the privilege of them allowing you to use it.

This was one case, of a car that had been bought back by Tesla as a lemon law iirc. So Tesla was the owner in the interim before the eventual used car dealership. It wasn't like Tesla removed features during a private party to private party transaction.

 

[jimmydean]

So tempting.

Awesomely weird Alibaba electric vehicle of the week: $4,000 electric pickup truck

Alibaba is one of the best places around to find the coolest and sometimes weirdest electric vehicles in the world. As part of a new series known as Awesomely weird Alibaba electric vehicle of the week, we’re taking a look at some of our favorites. This week’s feature is a small-yet-mighty...

electrek.co

 

[canadmos]

This was one case, of a car that had been bought back by Tesla as a lemon law iirc. So Tesla was the owner in the interim before the eventual used car dealership. It wasn't like Tesla removed features during a private party to private party transaction.

I thought there were a few of those?

Tesla deactivating some features on used cars after owners sell them privately | CarAdvice

Have you heard the story about the used-car dealer who removes the window tint from trade-ins – so he can sell window tint as an option to the next customer? Now it appears electric car maker Tesla i ...

www.caradvice.com.au

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Tesla seems to be stripping software features when cars are resold - Autoblog

Jalopnik has run stories on the experiences several people have had after buying used Teslas, in which features on their car's Monroney had been removed.

www.autoblog.com

Tesla reportedly removing Autopilot from used cars without telling owners

The California-based automaker reasons features purchased by the first owner have not been paid for by subsequent owners

driving.ca

Tesla's Removal Of Features On Used Cars Appears To Be In Violation Of Its Own Rules

Last month we reported about Tesla’s occasional practice of removing features like Autopilot and Ludicrous mode from used cars after they’d been purchased by people who bought the cars with those features enabled. While Tesla eventually restored the removed features to the subject of the...

jalopnik.com

 

[Toshi]

Most articles seem to be able the first dude. The last link is the source of the other claims... and again is of a vehicle purchased from Tesla. Not a private party to private party transaction.

When I sold my 3 it had FSD and the Acceleration Update. As far as I know it still does for the new owner--I certainly would have heard about that.

Tesla does many questionable things but this is way overblown imo.

 

[StiHacka]

So tempting.View attachment 161173

Awesomely weird Alibaba electric vehicle of the week: $4,000 electric pickup truck

Alibaba is one of the best places around to find the coolest and sometimes weirdest electric vehicles in the world. As part of a new series known as Awesomely weird Alibaba electric vehicle of the week, we’re taking a look at some of our favorites. This week’s feature is a small-yet-mighty...

electrek.co

They lost me at "smooth body lines".

 

[jimmydean]

 

[StiHacka]

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It does 0-60 in 1.99s and then needs to charge for 10 minutes to repeat that, is that correct?

 

[jimmydean]

It does 0-60 in 1.99s and then needs to charge for 10 minutes to repeat that, is that correct?

Not sure, Jeff's gets here next month. He has been doing paper comparisons with his R35 (1100ish bhp). Should be some interesting tests once he gets his.

 

[dump]

New Ford Maverick unibody pickup. This should have had an electric option...

Talk about mismatch between model name and product.

 

[stevew]

if you got the instagram....follow the link....triple turbo pdk diesel powered beetle launching pikes peak run i think....

Instagram

www.instagram.com

 

[SkaredShtles]

Wife and I remarked on similar the other day sticking to the car theme.

Next time you're driving along, look at all the mid-size SUV's you see now. If they didn't have a badge on the back you wouldn't know what they were and they're all nigh on identical looking.

We call them the "generic little blobs" and our CX-5 is a prime example of the genre.

 

[dump]

We call them the "generic little blobs" and our CX-5 is a prime example of the genre.

Cx5 actually has some personality compared to the rest.

 

[stevew]

i did not know porsche did a panamera wagon....sport turismo....whatever...

saw one today.....

if i had the money....one for every day of the week.