Sorry, but it’s a disgusting example of overconsumptive profligate waste. It can’t do anything a smaller vehicle with probably 1/4 of the emissions profile can do equally well, if not better, and is literally a penis extension that causes utterly unnecessary harm to the planet.
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Shouldn't those mud flaps read "Abomination"? 
I assure you, I am not trying to troll. I get that the engineering is sort of cool, but I genuinely cannot square my knowledge of the situation of the planet, environment, economy, society with ‘enjoying’ that people think it’s OK to create and drive around in honestly pointless shit like this. I mean seriously, how many mpg does that thing get? Let’s face it too, it will never be used to actually haul shit, it will have a luxury toy or two in it and get driven irresponsibly to show off, further increasing the damage to our shared environment.
What would be far cooler is a vehicle designed to do the same job for more people with the minimum impact on the planet.
What would be far cooler is a vehicle designed to do the same job for more people with the minimum impact on the planet.
Because a 20 foot long wheelbase makes on a lifted jeep….
yeah, I’m guilty of liking some carbon spewers, but I don’t like non functional stuff, like slammed cars, stretched jeeps, etc…
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Actually the fact that it is based off of a F-450 chassis, it probably (unlike 99.9%of all Jeeps) is useful. Making some assumptions but probably has a 6.7 in and and with a tune might get close to 20mpg. I can attest to the fact that an F450 can indeed do much more than a vehicle half its size.
Also this seems an appropriate place for this:
www.theguardian.com
The moral case for destroying fossil fuel infrastructure | Andreas Malm
If someone has planted a time bomb in your home, you are entitled to dismantle it. The same applies to our planet
www.theguardian.com
Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list
One of its flagship vehicles received a score of 5 out of 100.
Their characteristics for ‘reliability’ are highly misleading.Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list
One of its flagship vehicles received a score of 5 out of 100.www.sfgate.com
The implication is a Tesla won’t start, or get you to where you want to go. Actually reading the report reveals they define reliability as aspects such as the perfection of similarity between body panel gaps, and the differences betwen availability of specialist mechanics. Even worse it seems to include customers not understanding the software being considered as a reliability issue as grandma can’t remember how to access the fan direction menu.
This is not poor ‘reliability’ as any of us would understand it. There absolutely isn’t an epidemic of failed and broken Teslas out there as bourne out by the near-best overall satisfaction ratings.
I'm with @Changleen on this one. Given that probably cost near $175k, it's not getting dirty. Just because it is functional doesn't mean it will be used functionally. In my neighborhood there is an F350 6-door Super Duty dually raised almost 6". Technically it could be functional in a farm situation. Techincally. But I don't think that thing has ever seen dirt and given how tall it is, you're not ever towing a 5th-wheel with it, which means standard trailer, which it is grossly overkill for.
It's a cool concept - Jeep Comanche/Wagoneer super truck, but nothing a standard work truck wouldn't be able to do and actually likely be used for.
I think it's electric that he's focusing on. His only hat tips to Tesla has been the fact that they've made electric acceptable to mass market. Most other electric cars coming onto the market now are looking to be better and it's opened up a lower price range.
Wifey is on board with an electric SUV now. But Tesla has the only option and their falcon doors will not work in our short, tight garage. We're waiting to make that transition until someone can make a functional, large electric SUV. It took Tesla creating the market for her to get on board and lots of people are like that. They get the credit for that, but the way Musk has and continues to do business is despicable.
Which needs to be defined as quality control issues. So the survey is poorly written.
@Sandwich Your Alfa had massive reliability issues across the entirety of the car, so you chiming in and critiquing the reliability of a car is kind of amusing. Sure the panels were well spaced and you could get a mechanic anywhere, but that's nature of an established production system and historical market dominance. It was good you had lots of mechanic options, given the amount of time it spent in the shop. Tesla's biggest shop related issues continue to be part availability. They have an issue with focusing on new car production vs. providing available parts for mechanical issues.
I have a picture of a 718 cayman back home where the panel junction that meets one of the headlights is misaligned. Just to make everyone who talks about German perfection shut up.
Oh don’t get me wrong you wouldn’t catch me in that thing. It is 100% bro dozer with Kyle in his flat bill driving Brittanie to get her next boob job.
Just pointing out that most 4 door Wranglers serve zero point and that my kids scoot bike will be taken off road more than the vast majority. Cool build, and with the 24.5 semi wheels it more than likely looks significantly higher than it probably is. That Block guy pulls his 5th wheel with a 450 ridding on 24.5s.
Could get into the practical of any sports car but ain’t nobody got time for that.
The market is about to get real crowded, the ford E mustang is just the tip of the iceberg. Many manufactures have been preparing seriously for a while now. For someone like Tesla to survive, they are going to need to be exceptional in some way. Lucid and the eMercedes are already smashing their range. But there are a bunch more right around the corner.
(auto correct I’d a bitch) -leaving it like that
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I think Changleen has pretty well established himself as a True Believer® at this point. Regardless of whether they were electric cars or not, Tesla cars are remarkably poorly built and the cost:quality ratio is too high compared to most anything else on the market. My favorite part of the model 3 is the 5 LEDs that are used as an excuse for a taillight. Those sad, walleyed little bulbs are the absolute cheapest lowest common denominator design exercise, and people want to talk quality. If they were all in a line, I might agree...maybe.
Doesn't it make me more qualified that I recognized that car was shit and dumped it before it exploded on me? If I were critiquing Tesla while defending Alfa, then your point would be valid. Alfa is suffering from a lot of the same failures that Tesla is, but nobody gives Alfa undying credit the way they do Tesla. I actually couldn't get a mechanic anywhere- my favorite local garage basically said they wouldn't work on it, so I was stuck with the inferior dealer network, OEM only parts, and a distinct lack of reliability. Alfa dealers are closing left and right, and lack of reliability, lack of service options, and lack of parts options plus Tesla-level quality just do not make for a reliable and wise automobile purchase. It really was "death by a thousand cuts" with the Alfa. The case is different with Tesla. People want to Believe®, and they'll ignore low quality and poor construction issues so they can be early adopters/cool. I think it's great they want to take the risk and pave the way for higher quality vehicles, which is where I hope to get on board.
I won't challenge the practicality of a sports car. But when we're talking about trying to keep our planet alive, even a hard driven on road sports car is going to get 12+ mpg. Brodozers (which are far more common that sports cars) are going to get consistently lower mileage than a sports car. I drive my A4 like an idiot regularly with my box and tray on top, yet still get 22mpg regularly. That's not happening even in an efficiently driven brodozer.
Concur: I think it's great they want to take the risk and pave the way for higher quality vehicles, which is where I hope to get on board.
Glad I dumped the Bolt before it started on fire.
The MMI unit on my car has failed and the car is correspondingly in the shop being replaced right now - at 10k miles. It still works fine, but it doesn't link up to my phone or allow for talking into the head unit to do things. I would not define the electronics as reliable at this point, but Audi didn't even bat an eye to fix it.
Eh, we are close to agreement on this. I do have an absolute distain for lifted trucks/suvs driven by morons that have zero use of the unit. I have a close friend that is bro dozer to the extreme. I’ve road tripped to Snowshoe too many times in his moto metal wearing douche mobile. Shockingly enough it gets 14-15mpg. Pathetic but not 10.
my understanding is the falcon doors automatically adjust to the space they're given. So if you have a tight space, they open up first. If you have a low space, they'll open out first. FWIW, I'm not a fan of them, but for other reasons. I have a buddy with an X, and there's been a few times when overnight snow turned to freezing rain. In that scenario, the doors couldn't open at all (about 4" of snow frozen in a 1/4" crust of ice).
Also, falcon doors are only on the X. The Y has normal doors.
this would be my preference too. Accord, or a Mazda 6 wagon.
1' up, 1' out each way. Not gonna work. And 7-seater in out life.
how do the doors on your current vehicle open then?
Tightly. Maybe 1.5' on left, 1.75' beat case right
What are your takes on the Kia Niro EV? It's remarkably wagon-like and shockingly normal for an EV. It also has a nice safety mode that will allow you to drive back to the dealer at 6mph after they send you out in at without the battery being charged. Then you can stick your arm out the window and wave people on with your blinkers flashing as you panic during your test drive. Seemed like a decent car though, if you're after a FWD econobox with 5 doors.
10k mile update and review of the 2021 Grand Cherokee L
Likes:
Thermal and night vision on the heads up display is amazeballs in any weather or condition, climate controlled and massaging seats are astonishing, wireless charging and wireless carplay is flawless. Adaptive suspension is very effective in all modes, power 2nd and 3rd rows are a priceless option. 360 camera views and obstacle avoidance is exact. Milage is an 28mpg average. 8 speed trans is awesome ascending and descending with adaptive braking. Adaptive cruise control and lane corrections is nearly self driving until it tells you to put your hands back on the wheel after sensing zero interface. Mcintosh sound system is absolutely bonkers. Auto headlights and brights are work impeccably. Offroad modes are surprisingly good from a rubicon owners standpoint.
Dislikes:
Tires and wheel choices are very limited to the constraints of the adaptive suspension system. Touchless entry and lift gate is a bit buggy and slow. Cargo management is non existent even though the whole 2nd and 3rd rows fold flat. Wireless updates seem a bit buggy and problematic. The auto start/stop feature shuts off climate control when at a light or stop with no way to permanently disable it as of yet. Auto climate control is a bit finicky and fickle going from AC to heat before it figures out the temp. Stock nav is garbage. Spare tire will be a nightmare to manipulate. keyfob/remote start has a very short effective distance. Jeeps app for vehicle connectivity to use the cellular hotspot, keyless/remote start features is lame. Transmission shifting between P, N and drive is a bit slow and unresponsive.
Pretty good rig considering I was waiting for the new wagoneer that is taking too long, and for its price point it seems to be a good comfortable runner.
My story re Tesla reliability over the 18 months I had my 3:
I had a driver's seat fail, and this required three trips in person to E Evans Ave. Wasted a shit ton of my time, one trip just because they ordered or at least received the wrong side seat.
The charge port got stuck in locked position permanently after its locking mechanism glitching maybe half a dozen times requiring me to pull a cable (!) that's exposed a bit in the left part of the trunk for just this purpose. This was at least replaced curbside at my house by the mobile Tesla Ranger service.
The touchscreen freaked out a few times but at least always came back after reboot.
Paint was chipped from factory along the trailing edge of the hood. Can't fathom how they did this.
Got into a literal fender bender. Fender could be massaged back into shape by the body shop, once I found a body shop that worked on Teslas. This was way down by Highlands Ranch, of course. The bumper cover needed to be replaced and it took over a month, iirc, for them to get this very basic part.
And then, of course, the "FSD" was a joke. Car would just love to brake randomly when it saw, say, the shadow of a particular overpass over I-25 going south.
Was it sleek, and very fast (LR AWD with Acceleration Update), and electric? Yes. Was it a good car or ownership experience? No.
I had a driver's seat fail, and this required three trips in person to E Evans Ave. Wasted a shit ton of my time, one trip just because they ordered or at least received the wrong side seat.
The charge port got stuck in locked position permanently after its locking mechanism glitching maybe half a dozen times requiring me to pull a cable (!) that's exposed a bit in the left part of the trunk for just this purpose. This was at least replaced curbside at my house by the mobile Tesla Ranger service.
The touchscreen freaked out a few times but at least always came back after reboot.
Paint was chipped from factory along the trailing edge of the hood. Can't fathom how they did this.
Got into a literal fender bender. Fender could be massaged back into shape by the body shop, once I found a body shop that worked on Teslas. This was way down by Highlands Ranch, of course. The bumper cover needed to be replaced and it took over a month, iirc, for them to get this very basic part.
And then, of course, the "FSD" was a joke. Car would just love to brake randomly when it saw, say, the shadow of a particular overpass over I-25 going south.
Was it sleek, and very fast (LR AWD with Acceleration Update), and electric? Yes. Was it a good car or ownership experience? No.
they often use tools that set panel gaps when installing things like hoods, I am guessing said shim saw too much force, or maybe the paint was just super fragile.
A colleague bought one. I had a look inside. Seemed nice but the trunk is TINY. Wouldn't work for any sort of family trip where luggage is required. I think the Bolt has more room in the trunk.
Surprisingly few comments on this everywhere: Anti-drunk driving technology required for new cars in infrastructure bill - The Washington Post
I have often complained about how shitty the drivers are around here. Someone recently pointed out that in the morngings you can often see zombies behind the wheel driving home from all nighters at casinos, and I can totally see it now. Hopefully the same technology will detect meth-binges too.
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ya, I’ve seen it. I really dislike the compact suv crap that is out there. I like my Honda’s and I really am not sure if I could bring myself to drive a Kia.
