Not in 'Murica you don't! People 'round here lost their FUCKING MINDS when gas exceeded $3/gal.
Three fucking dollars a gallon. Gas should be $10/gal. Maybe $20.
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Three fucking dollars a gallon. Gas should be $10/gal. Maybe $20.
BUT DID YOU HEAR MY HOUSE VALUE WENT UP 50K!Not in 'Murica you don't! People 'round here lost their FUCKING MINDS when gas exceeded $3/gal.
Three fucking dollars a gallon. Gas should be $10/gal. Maybe $20.
In NZ we have sad and worried plugs.
This is a typical urbanite view on things. Where I live there is no public transportation besides a school bus. To reach pubtrans I have to travel 5 km. To get to work would cost me 2 hrs by bus instead of 25 mins by car or 60 mins by bike.
Odense is discussing it to get the town CO2 neutral by 2030. Would have to be implemented soon-ish to have the desired effect.
So the luxury of living so far from work is a cost that should be borne by others/future generations?
Or the opposite, living close to work costs people three times as much around here.
please explain?
Houses in town start at 1,000,000, (like, any house, at all).
houses 50 miles away start at $3-400,000.
Rents track about the same.
houses 50 miles away start at $3-400,000.
Rents track about the same.
Oh, are you in Jackson? I suppose market failures can happen anywhere, but when you have somewhere with that sort of draw, it's not really an urban planning issue, IMO.
Still, I'd argue cheap cars and cheap gas make that sort of lifestyle possible - how else will "the help" and the service industry folks get to where the jerbs are. Take those two things away, and what are you left with?
And it doesn't take away from the fact that we are not paying for the full cost of burning all that fossil fuel. That market failure has to be addressed and redressed. Simple as that. If you don't like the solutions being put forward, then propose something else, we'd all love to hear it, caus' we need solutions fast.
I’m just describing how it is here, if there were easy solutions, some people would be geniuses and billionaires!
We are, indeed, on the brink of a market failure here. We can’t build our way out of it, as there is really no more land left to realistically build.
We are, indeed, on the brink of a market failure here. We can’t build our way out of it, as there is really no more land left to realistically build.
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I am not sure what's so surprising about that, just look at the cost of living in any US coastal city. Or any major European city. Or any major city in the world.
I'd say that the main difference is that in most other cities there's a diversity of housing options and prices. I seem to recall conversations about Jackson and Tahoe (Banff is the same and I'm sure there are other places) where the aren't any affordable options in town. Any at all.
Same situation here. We bought a barn 17 years ago and that would not be possible today. Many of my friends didn’t buy back then and they will have to rent for ever or move down the hill. The next two towns are also incredibly expensive. We just built 2 rentals rather than finish/improve our house. Rent is so high and interest rates are so low.
I highly doubt that. Not in Greater Boston, not in Prague, not in San Francisco, not in Berlin, not in London, the list goes on and on. Pick any major city, same thing going on everywhere.
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well you do live in the middle of know where.That is also a choice.
I grew up in a small farming town of 7 people and there was really good public transportation that got me to everywhere I needed to go. My grandparents lived on a farm and the the bus would stop right outside their driveway if we asked nice.
A choice partially forced by the mortage I could get. It seems that banks will lend you triple the amount of money if you are a couple on limited 3-year contracts than a permanent employee with a significantly higher income that is single. I do not understand this logic, maybe it has something to do with that I am not a Dane? However, a Danish colleague has the same issue, cannot afford anything in Odense although he is permanently employed and makes good money.
Lucky you! The school bus does this here as well but no chance to hitch a ride with it. I asked.
Not a luxury, rather the opposite. I would be happy to have work close by, but unfortunately universities are always located in big cities.
Here the issue is that the government tries to move jobs outside of the big cities, especially Copenhagen, to combat the concentration of a large part of the population in a few big cities and bleed the life out of the rest of the country.
I have no problem to pay the full costs of my actions, do you as well? Because most people don't, they just talk the talk when they do not have to change their lifestyles.
In the US every citizen emits 14.24 t CO2/year, in Germany 7.69, in Denmark 4.52, in Switzerland 3.73. You do not have to look for new solutions, just start copying the countries that are on a better trajectory than you are.
BTW: Interestingly, the CO2 emissions are reciprocal to the standard of living.
I can fit 3 kids + 2 adults or 4/1. Decent space in the back and the box up too if I need more. 24mpg w the box when I drive "inefficiently". That plus the bike racks up top and rear, and it gets the job done. I also get to enjoy driving it the rest of the time. Come summer there a chance I might end up doing autoX with it, which isn't an option with a minivan.Not any more. Range Rovers if in Cherry Creek or Cherry Hills Village. Atlases and Pilots if in more normal neighborhoods.
I'd work in a joke about stoney's A4 allroad here but it's really too small to be a kid shuttle, and I don't know why he bought it anyway
You're just jealous that you don't have a spirited vehicle anymore.
Exactly this. I live in rural America. It is the same in all state’s once you get an hour or so out of the large city. Public/mass transit is non existent. Rural town are set up so the only way to get around is by car. Minimal sidewalks, and zero green ways.Here the issue is that the government tries to move jobs outside of the big cities, especially Copenhagen, to combat the concentration of a large part of the population in a few big cities and bleed the life out of the rest of the country.
I have no problem to pay the full costs of my actions, do you as well? Because most people don't, they just talk the talk when they do not have to change their lifestyles.
In the US every citizen emits 14.24 t CO2/year, in Germany 7.69, in Denmark 4.52, in Switzerland 3.73. You do not have to look for new solutions, just start copying the countries that are on a better trajectory than you are.
BTW: Interestingly, the CO2 emissions are reciprocal to the standard of living.
It's not just rural America. I live 8 miles outside of Boston center - an hour out of the offices downtown. There are (albeit limited) options for taking public transportation to the city, but you still have to drive to the train/bus station first. Out of almost 5mil people living in the metropolitan area, only 600k live in the Boston proper and 100k in Cambridge - the rest of us cannot exist without a car (two cars actually).
My eyes........
Yeah, saw that this morning. This is a crazy paragraph:
That restoration price. And 135 km total mileage. Insane.
V. excited about the Ioniq 5. Apparently will be sold by EOY if they can get it out of the ports. I was super excited until I saw that you have to pay luxury car prices for things like LED headlights. Still, that's a great looking car.
You've been a asleep for the last 8 years it seems.
I get your point about subsidized gas, but irider and rideit are correct. The entire society here (not just expensive mountain towns) has been setup to make transportation about as essential as clothing, and we did it by creating car culture. Sitting in your ivory tower looking down at the poors saying they don't "deserve" this luxury, and that it's all a choice just shows that you've never been in a situation without those "choices".
You're basically making an argument that getting rid of gas powered cars is the one thing to fix our civic nightmare but that's going to do nothing without simultaneously addressing housing, public transportation, massive wealth inequality and a host of other issues that support that car culture. Just saying people don't deserve cars is so blind to everything else going on.
anyway, yay gasoline
Who wouldn't want a full restoration after covering 88 miles?
First one was delivered to a retail customer a day or two ago.
Keep in mind that prices are pre-tax credit(s), too.
/me is excited about it, but I get temporarily excited about many cars, and only end up buying half of them
haha, same. I thought these were going to be late 2022 vaporware, kind of wish I stretched the alfa out another couple of months, especially after squeakchase 2021
Ya, we have some serious infrastructure issues in land of the FreeDOM
While not rural, I am 20 minutes north of Portland, but still in Oregon. There is a bus that goes downtown that is pretty good. It has minimal stops and runs usually every hour. But mainly Monday through Friday and from 5am to 6pm. I rode it last time I was working downtown.
Portland proper and Washington county use the standard Trimet bus and light rail system. But Columbia county has just the one bus route. I can drive to work in 40 minutes, but to go by mass transit, I would bus to downtown for an hour, then ride the light rail for another hour. But the stop is a block from the office. If we move to Forest Grove, it's 20 minutes bus, 20 minutes train and wicked nice.
Haven't seen one yet in the flesh. Paying extra for LED headlights is dumb. Would be simpler and cheaper for everyone if there was only one spec and you price accordingly. Mazda does this w/ their 3 for things like lights, etc.
They can skip the stupid glass roof too.
I have a difficult time when cars are obviously downgraded and you lose serious functionality with the cheaper model. Things like headlights shouldn't be downgraded, but I'm OK with paying less and not getting leather, sunroof, or park assist, or more gucci active bending headlights and cooled seats. Electric cars get weirder, with battery packs being different sizes and things like heated seats and heat pumps that can be more significant QOL measures. I was under the impression that heaters in BEVs draw a lot of power, so heated seats are a better idea....that could mean that the cheapie version gets way less range than the big version when it gets cold, and it does get cold out here...hmmm