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aaronjb

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Jul 22, 2010
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I sold a 1999 911, and moved "up" to a 2003 911 Turbo. I love these 996-generation 911s. The Turbo has some upgrades and is silly fast - it's going to take me a while to get used to how hard this car pulls. It only has 31,000 miles, so I've got plenty of incentive to put miles on it.

I still have a 2008 Cayenne Turbo (157k miles!) for winter and bike hauling duties.

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CBJ

year old fart
Mar 19, 2002
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Got a Volvo V90 T6 hybrid as a loaner. Really enjoying the electric driving which is almost silent and great for cruising around in the city. I still think a hybrid would have been great for us but most likely it will be pure EV when my lease runs out in 2023.
 

HardtailHack

used an iron once
Jan 20, 2009
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I sold a 1999 911, and moved "up" to a 2003 911 Turbo. I love these 996-generation 911s. The Turbo has some upgrades and is silly fast - it's going to take me a while to get used to how hard this car pulls. It only has 31,000 miles, so I've got plenty of incentive to put miles on it.

I still have a 2008 Cayenne Turbo (157k miles!) for winter and bike hauling duties.

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This is probably a rude question, but, what made you buy a Cayenne?
What makes it more desirable than a Touareg?
I saw a SUV type Lambo a few weeks ago, had no idea they made one, sorta looked like a car that someone had put on to a 4WD chassis after a few beers at home.

EDIT- Jesus, what is wrong with people?!
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CBJ

year old fart
Mar 19, 2002
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Copenhagen, Denmark
This is probably a rude question, but, what made you buy a Cayenne?
What makes it more desirable than a Touareg?
I saw a SUV type Lambo a few weeks ago, had no idea they made one, sorta looked like a car that someone had put on to a 4WD chassis after a few beers at home.

EDIT- Jesus, what is wrong with people?!
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You are trying to inject sense and objective decision making to a thread about cars?
 

aaronjb

Turbo Monkey
Jul 22, 2010
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This is probably a rude question, but, what made you buy a Cayenne?
What makes it more desirable than a Touareg?
I saw a SUV type Lambo a few weeks ago, had no idea they made one, sorta looked like a car that someone had put on to a 4WD chassis after a few beers at home.

EDIT- Jesus, what is wrong with people?!
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Not a rude question at all. The first couple of generations of Cayenne (2003-2010) were more truck than SUV, and may refer to them as such. The Turbo models had big (4.5L and 4.8L) engines, 500+ HP and a towing capacity of over 7500 pounds. With the air suspension's ride height adjustment and muli-lock differentials, they're surprisingly adept off-road.

The Touareg, which shares the same platform for that generation, is very capable as well. But I don't know of a 500hp, 525 ft/lb torque Toureg. The Cayenne I bought, with just over 140,000 miles at the time, was well-maintained and didn't have much deferred maintenance. When I purchased in 2020, It wasn't much more than a dentist e-bike. Also, I'll be honest - Porsche badge on the hood helped.

(I would drive an Urus if it showed up in my driveway. Just sayin')

Edit: Also, getting a car that had an initial sale price north of $125,000 for about 1/10th of that sure is nice.

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StiHacka

Compensating for something
Jan 4, 2013
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In hell. Welcome!
Not a rude question at all. The first couple of generations of Cayenne (2003-2010) were more truck than SUV, and may refer to them as such. The Turbo models had big (4.5L and 4.8L) engines, 500+ HP and a towing capacity of over 7500 pounds. With the air suspension's ride height adjustment and muli-lock differentials, they're surprisingly adept off-road.

The Touareg, which shares the same platform for that generation, is very capable as well. But I don't know of a 500hp, 525 ft/lb torque Toureg. The Cayenne I bought, with just over 140,000 miles at the time, was well-maintained and didn't have much deferred maintenance. When I purchased in 2020, It wasn't much more than a dentist e-bike. Also, I'll be honest - Porsche badge on the hood helped.

(I would drive an Urus if it showed up in my driveway. Just sayin')

Edit: Also, getting a car that had an initial sale price north of $125,000 for about 1/10th of that sure is nice.

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No corrosion issues? I assume your roads are even moar salty than here in Massholistan.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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This is probably a rude question, but, what made you buy a Cayenne?
What makes it more desirable than a Touareg?
I saw a SUV type Lambo a few weeks ago, had no idea they made one, sorta looked like a car that someone had put on to a 4WD chassis after a few beers at home.

EDIT- Jesus, what is wrong with people?!
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aaronjb

Turbo Monkey
Jul 22, 2010
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No corrosion issues? I assume your roads are even moar salty than here in Massholistan.
The Cayenne came to me after a life in Arizona, but I think it did see some trips to CO. No corrosion to speak of, but it's got a nice surface rust on all the parts you'd expect it to after two winters in the brine. I hose the undercarriage off as much as possible regularly, but avoiding any rust is a fool's errand. As long as things stay structurally sound, I'm good.

Yeah, rock salt and/or brine are liberally used here, and the roads are even more crap with frost heaves and so on. I wish Maine DOT would switch to that beetjuice-based stuff (which I believe is real and not something I dreamed of).
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,065
10,630
AK
The Cayenne came to me after a life in Arizona, but I think it did see some trips to CO. No corrosion to speak of, but it's got a nice surface rust on all the parts you'd expect it to after two winters in the brine. I hose the undercarriage off as much as possible regularly, but avoiding any rust is a fool's errand. As long as things stay structurally sound, I'm good.

Yeah, rock salt and/or brine are liberally used here, and the roads are even more crap with frost heaves and so on. I wish Maine DOT would switch to that beetjuice-based stuff (which I believe is real and not something I dreamed of).
Fairbanks was real salty last week, but they also had some record bad (inches of) freezing rain that bonded to the roads and was impenetrable for months. A lot of the businesses around here will use salt, but luckily not on the main roads. The one that always pisses me off though is the gas stations and supermarkets. They just salt the hell out of it and it just becomes an absolute mess.
 

dump

Turbo Monkey
Oct 12, 2001
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The Cayenne came to me after a life in Arizona, but I think it did see some trips to CO. No corrosion to speak of, but it's got a nice surface rust on all the parts you'd expect it to after two winters in the brine. I hose the undercarriage off as much as possible regularly, but avoiding any rust is a fool's errand. As long as things stay structurally sound, I'm good.

Yeah, rock salt and/or brine are liberally used here, and the roads are even more crap with frost heaves and so on. I wish Maine DOT would switch to that beetjuice-based stuff (which I believe is real and not something I dreamed of).
The beet juice stuff is real. I’ve seen it used… but not very widely here in montreal.
 

StiHacka

Compensating for something
Jan 4, 2013
21,560
12,508
In hell. Welcome!
Fairbanks was real salty last week, but they also had some record bad (inches of) freezing rain that bonded to the roads and was impenetrable for months. A lot of the businesses around here will use salt, but luckily not on the main roads. The one that always pisses me off though is the gas stations and supermarkets. They just salt the hell out of it and it just becomes an absolute mess.
I "love" it when they salt roads prior to snow storms to delay the inevitable. :mad:
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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I believe that they do so to forestall black ice.
Black ice is simply frost on the road. It takes pretty cold conditions for it to happen IME. We get it every once and a while, but it's pretty rare. The only thing that works on it is studded tires, anything else is white knuckle death-driving. It's just like freezing rain in that respect. It may be a little more common to have a tiny bit of black ice in a very isolated spot, and maybe that's why they salt-the-earth and try to rust out every metal part, but it's so rare and spotty in that case that it's hardly worth it for the reason of black ice. I just figure all the white salt is the remnants of previous applications, before rain or snow carries it off. If you are getting hard frost on your car, you might be getting some black ice. Our ground is frozen below a certain depth, so the ground isn't retaining much heat when the sun is low or gone, but I've yet to have good examples at lower latitudes. My parents used to freak out about it as some sort of invisible thing that will come out of nowhere. The black ice will be "sparkly" to the headlights.
 

jonKranked

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Nov 10, 2005
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The Cayenne came to me after a life in Arizona, but I think it did see some trips to CO. No corrosion to speak of, but it's got a nice surface rust on all the parts you'd expect it to after two winters in the brine. I hose the undercarriage off as much as possible regularly, but avoiding any rust is a fool's errand. As long as things stay structurally sound, I'm good.

Yeah, rock salt and/or brine are liberally used here, and the roads are even more crap with frost heaves and so on. I wish Maine DOT would switch to that beetjuice-based stuff (which I believe is real and not something I dreamed of).
Wait what part of Maine are you in
 

boogenman

Turbo Monkey
Nov 3, 2004
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I "love" it when they salt roads prior to snow storms to delay the inevitable. :mad:
If we are going to get any measurable snow they stop salting and just plow. Once the snow lets up they salt again as long as the temperature permits. The sand/salt mix in the worst, such a mess.
 

aaronjb

Turbo Monkey
Jul 22, 2010
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659
was just gonna ask the same question...get up that way to see/care for the parents. took the kid to mt. abram last summer. twas fun. wish i had more time to ride when i visit. trails around camden look decent. we're in round pond.
Nice, they're putting in a good effort over there. Camden has some good stuff, as does my neck of the woods.

Happy to meet up with any of you if you happen to find yourselves up here this summer.
 

Muddy

ancient crusty bog dude
Jul 7, 2013
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Someone please better demonstrate a better education toward Specialty Plates, although this may be dictated by municipality DMV regs.

Getting back home to Conn. after quite some time away, and am finding quite a variety of car-tags designated 'Antique Vehicle'. First it was a Land Cruiser, International Scout then started to see Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, Mazda RX-7 being put on roads carrying these specialty plates. ...am going to assume they all belong to that vehicle. :tinfoil:

Here in CT, applying for one of these plates has the understanding the vehicle is being 'preserved for Historical Value and Originality'. For example - the RX-7 was dropped, stretched tire thingie in full effect, massive negative camber, mismatched paint. Immediate disqualifier.

The economy cars provide no real valuation upon being maintained as original, ideally with Genuine Parts or being a tribute recreation. Have to be totally skeptical about OE Toyota/Honda Parts being the only choice for any scheduled maintenance, or that original parts are at all still in production. So there's a technical DQ.

;tldr - Haters gonna Hate but this M.O. is just irritating, disingenuous and demonstrates a lacking of common sense - both on the owner/operater and also whoever it is that could be working the approval-process for Specialty Plates.

If there's a market established to preserve a Scout, an older Bronco then that's preservation. Hitting up the Bumper to Bumper while getting a Subway 5 dollar foot long for some loaded MacPherson's - IMO - does not preserve value of anything. ...except whoever's NET Term volume of inventory discount.

Said it before and saying it again - I loath modern automobiles.