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Muddy said:
Someone please better demonstrate a better education toward Specialty Plates, although this may be dictated by municipality DMV regs.

Getting back home to Conn. after quite some time away, and am finding quite a variety of car-tags designated 'Antique Vehicle'. First it was a Land Cruiser, International Scout then started to see Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, Mazda RX-7 being put on roads carrying these specialty plates. ...am going to assume they all belong to that vehicle. :tinfoil:

Here in CT, applying for one of these plates has the understanding the vehicle is being 'preserved for Historical Value and Originality'. For example - the RX-7 was dropped, stretched tire thingie in full effect, massive negative camber, mismatched paint. Immediate disqualifier.

The economy cars provide no real valuation upon being maintained as original, ideally with Genuine Parts or being a tribute recreation. Have to be totally skeptical about OE Toyota/Honda Parts being the only choice for any scheduled maintenance, or that original parts are at all still in production. So there's a technical DQ.

;tldr - Haters gonna Hate but this M.O. is just irritating, disingenuous and demonstrates a lacking of common sense - both on the owner/operater and also whoever it is that could be working the approval-process for Specialty Plates.

If there's a market established to preserve a Scout, an older Bronco then that's preservation. Hitting up the Bumper to Bumper while getting a Subway 5 dollar foot long for some loaded MacPherson's - IMO - does not preserve value of anything. ...except whoever's NET Term volume of inventory discount.

Said it before and saying it again - I loath modern automobiles.
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Antique vehicle is probably the wrong word for that...

We have the same type of plates here, but if I recall correctly, the vehicles need to be of a certain age and you're technically restricted with how much it can be used on public roads.

Nothing wrong with seeing old corrolas and whatnot with those tags. It's impressive some of them have survived, as economy cars were most likely used, abused and treated as low value objects. Much different than a Porsche sitting in a climate controlled bubble inside some millionnaires estate.
 
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canadmos said:
We have the same type of plates here, but if I recall correctly, the vehicles need to be of a certain age and you're technically restricted with how much it can be used on public roads.
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That's exactly how antique plates are used in MA. 25+ years old, for shows and parades only, not for regular transportation or commuting.
 
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The antique designation may reduce local (excise, road use) taxes, but can also factor into reduced insurance premiums, since it all but verifies the limited use conditions.

I'll never get an "Antique Auto" plate in Maine as they're ass ugly.
 
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canadmos said:
Nothing wrong with seeing old corrolas and whatnot with those tags. It's impressive some of them have survived, as economy cars were most likely used, abused and treated as low value objects. Much different than a Porsche sitting in a climate controlled bubble inside some millionnaires estate.
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But that's what raises the issue - here the rider for obtaining is as follows:

Title 14-1 (3) definition: "Antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle twenty years old or older which is being preserved because of historic interest and which is not altered or modified from the original manufacturer's specifications

Just came across what had to have been a 1991 BMW 318 at a stop light w/ the 'Classic Vehicle' plates. It's in causes like this where it serves no purpose - at best cars like these are going to be 'Club Cars' because no one having there wits about them will head off to Amelia Island or over here in Greenwich to check out a 1989 Mazda MX6.

There's always going to be those personality-types who choose insist to upon themselves; I don't find it appropriate to find an entire COLA styled advantage be provided because it shows massive lack of oversight if and when on the uptick...
 
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Muddy said:
But that's what raises the issue - here the rider for obtaining is as follows:

Title 14-1 (3) definition: "Antique, rare or special interest motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle twenty years old or older which is being preserved because of historic interest and which is not altered or modified from the original manufacturer's specifications

Just came across what had to have been a 1991 BMW 318 at a stop light w/ the 'Classic Vehicle' plates. It's in causes like this where it serves no purpose - at best cars like these are going to be 'Club Cars' because no one having there wits about them will head off to Amelia Island or over here in Greenwich to check out a 1989 Mazda MX6.

There's always going to be those personality-types who choose insist to upon themselves; I don't find it appropriate to find an entire COLA styled advantage be provided because it shows massive lack of oversight if and when on the uptick...
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I had antique plates on my Volvo when it was my daily driver. As it was over 25 years old I was allowed to run vintage plates on it but it was registered as a normal vehicle and had no restrictions.
 
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Westy said:
I had antique plates on my Volvo when it was my daily driver. As it was over 25 years old I was allowed to run vintage plates on it but it was registered as a normal vehicle and had no restrictions.
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This is just like choosing to identify a vehicle to an Insurance Carrier being used 'for pleasure' as opposed to 'commuting'. ...well - I happen to really really enjoy the drive to work...

But, plow through a children's playground on that curvy wet road near work and suddenly you've entered into higher-risk/nonstandard policy pool once up for renewal. I get it, I really do, about having a motor vehicle which retains value. Am finding it ridiculous how there's no effort to any maintain exclusivity across the board. Like - obtaining the plates in person as opposed to through the mail and being subject to peer review. Have multiple appraisals be presented indicating there's actual value being addressed.

Someone has ability to reject requests for 'AssManAF' 'IH8FARTS' 'PISSA' in Massachusetts etc. for vanity plates, I don't see why there's this massive void in adhering to decorum in this instance. Observed a Honda Civic Hatchback with all those bolt-ons demanded to drive the car properly this afternoon. A complete POS.
 
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If one is using the plate as a means to get cheaper insurance, that sounds like fraud and a problem with the insurance company, not really the plate issuers problem.

There has to be some interpretation of what the plate means. One vehicle that you think is a pile of garbage and should be scratched from the surface of the planet, could be meaningful to another group. There's always an enthusiast club for even the most obscure of vehicles.

What about a dodge caravan? Its a regular humdum vehicle, but it really is historical.

Even your definition of the law/rule above says "interest motor vehicle " and "of historical interest". That's open to quite a range of interpretation and is probably worded in that manner so as not to exclude any specific vehicle.
 
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canadmos said:
If one is using the plate as a means to get cheaper insurance, that sounds like fraud and a problem with the insurance company, not really the plate issuers problem.

There has to be some interpretation of what the plate means. One vehicle that you think is a pile of garbage and should be scratched from the surface of the planet, could be meaningful to another group. There's always an enthusiast club for even the most obscure of vehicles.

What about a dodge caravan? Its a regular humdum vehicle, but it really is historical.

Even your definition of the law/rule above says "interest motor vehicle " and "of historical interest". That's open to quite a range of interpretation and is probably worded in that manner so as not to exclude any specific vehicle.
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It means I can roll coal.
 
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Such broad-strokes simply makes any vehicle past any determining-age 'Classic'. And, given that there's - in the grand sense of the display - localities where 'Classic Cars' are a theme (Concours/International Concours) there really needs to be a stricter-standard than one person feeling warm and fuzzy as opposed to maintaining solid grounding for hosting.
Someone maintaining a 421 SD Pontiac Tempest not only has something extremely rare but also a classic car - because - in the grand sense, again - of all the potential that A-Body car provided. A regular, non-swiss cheese Tempest is also a classic.
These were from an era when post-war-era cars were proudly being cared for. A Plymouth Voyager/Dodge Caravan is just a marvel in powertrain/passenger packaging. Classic?

...really??

canadmos said:
If one is using the plate as a means to get cheaper insurance, that sounds like fraud and a problem with the insurance company, not really the plate issuers problem.

There has to be some interpretation of what the plate means. One vehicle that you think is a pile of garbage and should be scratched from the surface of the planet, could be meaningful to another group. There's always an enthusiast club for even the most obscure of vehicles.

What about a dodge caravan? Its a regular humdum vehicle, but it really is historical.

Even your definition of the law/rule above says "interest motor vehicle " and "of historical interest". That's open to quite a range of interpretation and is probably worded in that manner so as not to exclude any specific vehicle.
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Muddy said:
Such broad-strokes simply makes any vehicle past any determining-age 'Classic'. And, given that there's - in the grand sense of the display - localities where 'Classic Cars' are a theme (Concours/International Concours) there really needs to be a stricter-standard than one person feeling warm and fuzzy as opposed to maintaining solid grounding for hosting.
Someone maintaining a 421 SD Pontiac Tempest not only has something extremely rare but also a classic car - because - in the grand sense, again - of all the potential that A-Body car provided. A regular, non-swiss cheese Tempest is also a classic.
These were from an era when post-war-era cars were proudly being cared for. A Plymouth Voyager/Dodge Caravan is just a marvel in powertrain/passenger packaging. Classic?

...really??
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This isn't even a 1st world problem, this is just ... trolling.
 
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Would have loved to have seen these race in real life, near 40Psi boost and 680Hp for qualifying made them pretty lively.
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God they are ugly though.
 
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HardtailHack said:
Would have loved to have seen these race in real life, near 40Psi boost and 680Hp for qualifying made them pretty lively.
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God they are ugly though.
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For one of my early twenties birthdays I got an experience thing to drive one of these at Brans Hatch. So called ‘saloon cars’. Got some lessons, got a hot lap with some guy, and then a few free laps. It was probably just fucked from being a racecar being pressed into service as well, a service. Overiding memories: Rattly, janky, noisy as fuck, nothing like as ‘fast’ as anticipated. And yes possibly the ugliest things ever.
 
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DaveW said:
Yeah the Ford Sierra were the start of the 80's "jelly mold" style of design.
I saw those Cosworth sierra's race Group A in NZ and in WRC back in the day.
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I want to get over there to watch a hillclimb, you seem to have some pretty awesome events.
I remember watching some sort of off road event over there when I was a kid, I still haven't worked out what the aim of the event was but people didn't look to be far off drowning, harnesses and big puddles didn't seem to mix.
 
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We had one of the first year Ford Sierra which looked like a spaceship when we got it but coming from an Austin Allegro it was not that hard to be impressed.
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Walking compared to an Austin Allegro is an upgrade :D
 
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Muddy said:
Someone please better demonstrate a better education toward Specialty Plates, although this may be dictated by municipality DMV regs.

Getting back home to Conn. after quite some time away, and am finding quite a variety of car-tags designated 'Antique Vehicle'. First it was a Land Cruiser, International Scout then started to see Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, Mazda RX-7 being put on roads carrying these specialty plates. ...am going to assume they all belong to that vehicle. :tinfoil:

Here in CT, applying for one of these plates has the understanding the vehicle is being 'preserved for Historical Value and Originality'. For example - the RX-7 was dropped, stretched tire thingie in full effect, massive negative camber, mismatched paint. Immediate disqualifier.

The economy cars provide no real valuation upon being maintained as original, ideally with Genuine Parts or being a tribute recreation. Have to be totally skeptical about OE Toyota/Honda Parts being the only choice for any scheduled maintenance, or that original parts are at all still in production. So there's a technical DQ.

;tldr - Haters gonna Hate but this M.O. is just irritating, disingenuous and demonstrates a lacking of common sense - both on the owner/operater and also whoever it is that could be working the approval-process for Specialty Plates.

If there's a market established to preserve a Scout, an older Bronco then that's preservation. Hitting up the Bumper to Bumper while getting a Subway 5 dollar foot long for some loaded MacPherson's - IMO - does not preserve value of anything. ...except whoever's NET Term volume of inventory discount.

Said it before and saying it again - I loath modern automobiles.
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age of car....

if i still had my grandfathers 1980 rabnit i could get a antique plate for it...
 
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