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junkyard

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What about a Cayenne e-hybrid? Good mix of several worlds from what I can tell. You can run it as an EV around town, full gas when you run out of juice, or both for best performance. In other words, some of the benefits of an EV without the range anxiety or charging hassles on longer trips.
your not wrong, just kinda wanted a car as we already have a small suv.
 

maxyedor

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Granted, the lack of showroom and service centers is a big problem, but aren't you is SoCal? They can't be that far away can they?

at 1000 miles, you're looking at a minimum of 3 "refuelling" stops, but probably 4, or even 5 is more realistic. That doesn't sound like it would be prohibitive... the more you stop, the faster the charging, so it could wind up taking less time overall. Is 5 stops on a 2000mile round trip really a problem?


from what I gather, brakes don't get used much on EVs, especially in day to day driving conditions. presumably the upcharge isn't worth it on an EV?

Depending on where his 1000 mile trip takes him those extra stops can be a really big problem. 1000 mile radius of San Diego (Think that's where JY is) can get you into some pretty ev-chargerless territory. That extra charge time is also not-nothing, while it's not an issue for everybody to stop every 250ish miles for 45 minutes, compared to just pulling in for a 10 minute fuel stop that extra charge time really adds up. I too love me some EVs, they have a lot of major advantages over ICE, but if we're honest they just aren't the right solution for everybody yet.

Also, Lucid? All the problems of early Teslas, none of the semi-mature knowledge base of how to fix them. Hard pass.

At this stage in the game I wouldn't touch an EV made by a start-up, not when the Taycan and E-trons are a thing. Even the Benz EQS is looking pretty good, well not in the actual looks department, but performance-wise.



What about a Cayenne e-hybrid? Good mix of several worlds from what I can tell. You can run it as an EV around town, full gas when you run out of juice, or both for best performance. In other words, some of the benefits of an EV without the range anxiety or charging hassles on longer trips.

My Brother has one and while it's super nice, and really fast, it's not my first pick unless you just really want that Porsche badge and for some reason need an SUV. It's not nearly utility oriented enough IMHO, too much focus on sporty driving, but it's a hippopotamus of a car so it's sportiness is always going to be marginal.
 

slyfink

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Depending on where his 1000 mile trip takes him those extra stops can be a really big problem. 1000 mile radius of San Diego (Think that's where JY is) can get you into some pretty ev-chargerless territory. That extra charge time is also not-nothing, while it's not an issue for everybody to stop every 250ish miles for 45 minutes, compared to just pulling in for a 10 minute fuel stop that extra charge time really adds up. I too love me some EVs, they have a lot of major advantages over ICE, but if we're honest they just aren't the right solution for everybody yet.
totally agree, that's why I suggested 5 stops... from what I understand, the Lucid charges at up to 300kw. With the right charger (350kw DC) and at the right charge level (the fastest charges speeds happen between 30% to 60% charge state as I understand it), you could keep your stop times to 10-20 minutes. Granted, that's a lot of "ifs", and not everyone is ready for that yet. But it's still worth putting out there, just in case...

I only mentioned Lucid caus' everyone's hatin' on Tesla these days. And the Porche's don't seem to have the needed range. But I get what you're saying about startups.
 

jimmydean

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The guy at the porche dealer told me he talked people into the carbon brakes. As a person who raced his buddy all over town in a wind star with no rear seats against his v6 mustang. These two vehicles were quite equally matched, and we ran hard until our brakes were smoking and he lightly impacted the wind star at an intersection. Good times. Anyways it took a lot of work to smoke the brakes. I had figured they weren’t worth the cost.




Im in Oregon now. I need to drive to so cal once a month. I like to drive and hate flying that’s why I don’t fly. It seems it would be a pain to stop driving to charge a car. It does add to the drive time which I think 14.5 hrs is my best so far.
I don't miss the Portland to Hell (Turlock). I could do it in 9 hours on the R1. I got 125 miles per tank on that beast, I had to stop all the damn time. But you also didn't want more than an hour in the seat at a time. :rofl:
 

junkyard

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I don't miss the Portland to Hell (Turlock). I could do it in 9 hours on the R1. I got 125 miles per tank on that beast, I had to stop all the damn time. But you also didn't want more than an hour in the seat at a time. :rofl:
mostly I take it easy and stop at a lot of the rest areas. The difference between my f250 and mrs junkyards caddy xt4 is more than just cost in fuel. The truck is just more tiring, rougher and louder is the big issues. Towing is great with rest stops as you don’t have to back out of spots. Towing it takes 17 hrs. Audio books for the win. I’ve done a long day in a hot rod and can’t imagine doing that on a bike, maybe it’s better. I have to get out every other hour at least. I find noise really drains me.

my problem is when I wanna take the caddy the mrs is left with the 4 door longbed to go places. Also sport car dreams. Only kinda car I haven’t had.

I should add I’m not anti electric car. I use a golf cart around the property and love it. I can’t understand why people buy the sxs trucks for small lots. Gotta have the right hammer for the right nail.
 
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jimmydean

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We bought the C5 a week before we went down for Thanksgiving. I went 101 down to the Bay area then cut over to the valley. I have done in both on a bike and in the car, both were awesome. But it does take a little longer that way vs I5.
 

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Depending on where his 1000 mile trip takes him those extra stops can be a really big problem. 1000 mile radius of San Diego (Think that's where JY is) can get you into some pretty ev-chargerless territory. That extra charge time is also not-nothing, while it's not an issue for everybody to stop every 250ish miles for 45 minutes, compared to just pulling in for a 10 minute fuel stop that extra charge time really adds up. I too love me some EVs, they have a lot of major advantages over ICE, but if we're honest they just aren't the right solution for everybody yet.
I totally agree with this. Unless there is a point of interest or a bike ride in the plan I hate stopping for any length of time on road trips, I'd rather just push through. (Last one was SF to Sedona, we only stopped 3 times for combined gas/piss breaks.) On longer trips we often find ourselves in places where I'm very much NOT interested in hanging out. I'm also suspicious of charge time estimates, not to mention range estimates (we often load the vehicle and I've got a bit of lead foot). So although the time is coming, I'm not ready for a full EV for longer trips yet.
 

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I totally agree with this. Unless there is a point of interest or a bike ride in the plan I hate stopping for any length of time on road trips, I'd rather just push through. (Last one was SF to Sedona, we only stopped 3 times for combined gas/piss breaks.) On longer trips we often find ourselves in places where I'm very much NOT interested in hanging out. I'm also suspicious of charge time estimates, not to mention range estimates (we often load the vehicle and I've got a bit of lead foot). So although the time is coming, I'm not ready for a full EV for longer trips yet.
Same boat here, I live in a nice area that I like, and vacation in nice areas that I like, but all the spaces between here and there kind of suck. Under no circumstances do I want to spend 1 minute longer in Needles Ca than I absolutely have to. Charging times are a bit dubious because of that last 10-15% of the battery that takes far longer to charge, the short charge times are never an actual full charge, so you're "range" is a bullshit number unless you've charged for a much longer period of time.

I'm way ready for the EV future, I have to fill up at least once a week and never have any time so it usually means heading out at like 8:30PM to get gas on a Thursday, where as I have plenty of electricity at home and could just plug in nightly. An EV commuter car would serve me fine, but I just can't justify it because it would be so impractical for everything else.



I read the new f150 hybrid trucks have a 700 mile range.
26 gallon tank, 22mpg, 572 mile range. Non hybrid can be had with a 36 gallon tank, and the little engine gets 26mpg (allegedly, it never will because you'll be redlined everywhere), so 936 mile range which would be a lot. Really wish you could get the big tank with the hybrid drivetrain, but I believe the battery occupies the same space as that extra 10 gallons.
 

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Just don't get why they would not make an SUV first when that is clearly what people want.
It might be about ramping up production and choosing a vehicle with manageable demand while they scale. It might also be about making noise with a very capable machine to get the word out. Fwiw they appear to be selling everything they make.
 

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It might be about ramping up production and choosing a vehicle with manageable demand while they scale. It might also be about making noise with a very capable machine to get the word out. Fwiw they appear to be selling everything they make.
I am sure there are some good decision behind it and if the platform is designed correctly they can always make a suv version like Mercedes is doing with the new EQS/E platform.
 

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I drove an Ioniq 5 home last week, range went down 2X at 75mph. It did gain some back for the last 8 miles of my drive through regenerative braking. I would buy and drive an EV if the cost was half of what they are.
 

Toshi

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You should be able to find actual numbers for the bins. I found our 2006 Prius (and my 2007 Land Cruiser for that matter, in all but CO2 of course) much cleaner than our former 2001 Corolla.

Of all the cars we’ve had only the 2001 Corolla and 2002 WRX were retired in our hands. The others were resold to continue their life with new owners.
 

iRider

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Looks like ID Buzz will be 56T € before taxes and the transporter version 45.6T €. Ouch! :(
 

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I drove an Ioniq 5 home last week, range went down 2X at 75mph. It did gain some back for the last 8 miles of my drive through regenerative braking. I would buy and drive an EV if the cost was half of what they are.
Here they sell with much lower government tax this making them a great bargain. Only way to make the transition happen.
 

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Picked this up for $500 nearly a year ago. 97 Avalon. I was expecting to just drive it for a year and buy something new but I think I'm going to take it til it dies, which feels like it will be a while.

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Had one just like that. The odometer was well north of 300K miles when we sold it, as far as I know it's still kicking around somewhere.
 

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CBJ

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that's a nice analysis. Based on that, I'd probably start reducing my footprint in more or less 3 years.

it also shows how important electrifying the economy is, especially getting the source "right".

Now, if only they would start introducing reasonably priced models...
Reasonable priced are coming. It has started in Euro land.

I think it should be mandatory that all EVs supported vehicle to grid so you could use the car as a power source. Would benefit everybody.
 

boogenman

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Picked this up for $500 nearly a year ago. 97 Avalon. I was expecting to just drive it for a year and buy something new but I think I'm going to take it til it dies, which feels like it will be a while.
Those older Toyota's last forever if they are maintained. I had a 2004 Corolla with 200k on it that ran excellent. The road salt here killed the car's body but mechanically it was 100%.
 

iRider

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Now, if only they would start introducing reasonably priced models...
I would pass a law that only allows subsidies for EVs to cars of manufacturers that sell the same ratio of affordable to luxury EVs as they do for their ICE models. That would surely accelerate the availability of affordable EVs.
 

slyfink

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I would pass a law that only allows subsidies for EVs to cars of manufacturers that sell the same ratio of affordable to luxury EVs as they do for their ICE models. That would surely accelerate the availability of affordable EVs.
that's an interesting approach... I wonder if it's workable...

Provincial government here cancelled the previous government's EV rebate based on the logic that it would be subsidizing rich people buying luxury vehicles. While I don't entirely agree, I think it was a fair point. (I felt the subsidy brought EVs within reach of upper-middle class families, and corrected a market imbalance, but still felt it was ludicrous that subsidies could go to cars in the $60,000+ range).

It's election time here again, and the government still isn't proposing any kind of EV incentive. Despite there being more reasonably priced alternatives now, despite it being clear more action is needed on climate change, and despite this government's desire to make Ontario a hub of EV research, development and manufacture... Without a home-grown market, that's a friggin pipe dream. As is all the mining that could be happening in the North for all the minerals that are needed for batteries.