Well, I just passed a white one on Sunday and it shocked me how terribly looking that Genesis is - as if they forgot to remove the pre-release masking tape.
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In quebec the limit for an incentive of $8k is $60k, to your point. That means only a handful of cars are within reach. Some less expensive options are out there now, but if you want 4wd, it’s still just a few w/ the incentive. Also, typically those cars weren’t terribly desirable. My 60k buys me what exactly? A budget hatchback? No thanks. I think the manufacturers know this.
Maybe it was coming from the port
I mean... it looks like most of the other generic-blob "crossover" type cars out there... Maybe a little extra-ugly with the grill and lights?
Genesis went from taking the best part of every car on the market and jamming them together to make a generic blob to taking the worst part of every car on the market and jamming them together to make an ugly generic blob.
Oversize oversize grill, headlights that wrap around past the wheel well, too-high chrome ankle gaiter?
I like the GV70 a bit better, aside from the weird rear window, rear bumper, and WTF-wheels
It is a huge SUV, not exactly a generic crossover.
Well that's what Freedumb DEMANDS.
Stick shifts are hard and stuff.
Florida Ford GT Owner Crashes Because He's "Unfamiliar" With Manual Transmission: Police
The driver had just purchased the 2006 Heritage Edition GT for $704,000 at a Barrett-Jackson auction last month.
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This guy is a hot mess. Suspended license, shifting from 1-2, car not registered or insured, “just had it detailed”. Good job!
Stick shifts are hard and stuff.
Florida Ford GT Owner Crashes Because He's "Unfamiliar" With Manual Transmission: Police
The driver had just purchased the 2006 Heritage Edition GT for $704,000 at a Barrett-Jackson auction last month.
Not sure how that would play out. Tech innovation has always starts with luxury cars, there's just no way to burry the cost of development in an economy car the way you can a $100k+ luxury car. I think all your rule would do is create the Aston Martin Signet of EVs, manufacturers would build the cheapest crappiest car they could muster, and off them to anybody willing to take one for the sole purpose of allowing them more sales at the other end of the spectrum. The problem is that means people buying cheap EVs are buying shitty EVs, meaning everybody else's perception of EVs will be that of the shitbox their buddy drives rather than an aspirational thing like a Tesla or the new Hummer.
Also, given that batteries appear to be a bit of a finite resource for the near future, replacing G63 AMGs with BEV Hummers seems like a better use of the batteries we have than replacing Corollas. Somebody smarter than me would have to crunch the numbers on that one, I'm sure for the batteries a single Hummer uses 2 Corollas could be built, but for the cost of a Corolla can a decent EV be built?
You should probably get to an optometrist ASAP. That thing is just a giant mash-up of all the worst trends in automotive styling, fake vents, hilarious grill, squinty lights, double lights, squished roof, just garbage styling all the way around. The only saving grave is being parked next to GV70s on the lot makes that appear less ugly, but sadly it's only an illusion.
Because umbrella policies cover autos
Stick shifts are hard and stuff.
Florida Ford GT Owner Crashes Because He's "Unfamiliar" With Manual Transmission: Police
The driver had just purchased the 2006 Heritage Edition GT for $704,000 at a Barrett-Jackson auction last month.
sounds like bro is going to have a bad day.
At least he was able to get it detailed first, right?Because umbrella policies cover autos
sounds like bro is going to have a bad day.
As I said, hot mess. Seller should require proof of insurance before taking possession of the vehicle. Proof of a valid drivers license is also a given. Seller should have seen this coming a mile away... please sir, step away from the vehicle
Why would/should the seller care if the buyer is licensed or insured? It was an auction, so no financing involved, from the seller's end anyway, what the buyer does with the car is their problem.
There's an element of sentimentality with certain purchases, this probably qualifies. Car people often coddle their cars (particularly fancy ones) and want to see it continue to be cared for much like they have for the last x years. They typically won't sell to the first joker with 3/4 million dollars, because stuff like this happens, and it hurts.
I see it was an auction, so maybe it was just ... "gimme the money. I don't care if you immediately almost kill yourself in it."
I am not saying that the luxury cars are not a good starting point, but in times of chip/battery/etc shortages companies will build the cars they make the most profit on with the limited resources they have. So only expensive EVs. That means that most of the cars on the road will not be replaced, which makes the transition useless because the majority of cars stay ICE.
Sorry to say, nobody needs a Hummer or G63, so they are not a good use of batteries. Delivery vehicles for around town use, small commuter cars (Smart-like) or similar would make the biggest impact.
Something to think about: if batteries are so limited that we cannot replace cheap cars with them, maybe we should not push a technology like it but instead go for fuel cells, hydrogen or similar.
Flywheels.
If you want to eliminate wasteful cars like the G63 then the issue of picking and choosing what EV's to build goes away. Assuming you're not eliminating excessive vehicles, which lets be honest, nobody is going to do, then IMHO replacing them with BEVs and allowing ICE to continue in smaller efficient cars makes more sense.
People have been making fun of me for being very pro fuel cell for a decade now. I still don't see why we're not pushing for more fuel cell development other than it's not sexy. If you want to cut emissions, cut emissions, and fuel cells can do that, right now it seems like getting us all into BEVs is the goal rather than actually reducing emissions. I don't get it, the Mirai is awesome!
I guess, but if you really care what happens to your car you probably shouldn't be selling it. Thought maybe there was something I was missing like liability or some such, if it's just sentimentality, fuck 'em. Hlaf the owners of supercars like the GT are only holding them as an investment, dudes crashing them helps the market.
That's a $60k repair, so no biggie if you've got the $700k to buy the car in the first place.
Do you reduce it by burning coal to power a Tesla?
Honestly not sure how natural gas derived H2 when burned in a car compares to burning gasoline to power the car, but electrolysis is an option as well. I go back to my question of what we're actually trying to accomplish, because waving your hand and instantly hitting zero emissions isn't going to happen.
Cliffs Notes: BEVs better, even when electricity is from NG, not from renewables. Hydrogen FCEV from NG may be worse than gasoline dependent on rate of methane leakage.
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How do you compress it? Build the high presssure tanks for it? Replace the old gas tanks? Build the storage and staging facilities, the pipelines. The tanker trucks. It’s pretty impractical on a large scale, like stations at every corner like have now. It might make a lot of sense for long range operations like cargo trucks where the distribution is more centralized. Battery energy density won’t get to those levels in a few years IMO, but the amount of energy it takes to make, store and distribute H2 is highly impractical for most applications. Still.
Rapid charging stations aren’t a slam dunk either.
I don’t see distribution of H2 being much of a challenge TBH, production sure, but not transportation. Fundamentally it’s not too different from LPG transportation and distributionpressure increases as does the demand, but companies like Airgas and Praxair are already moving much more volatile gasses at similar pressures daily, all that’s left is to scale it.
Im not saying BEVs are bad, or not the final answer, but they haven’t figured out how to make enough batteries fast enough and cheap enough. So where does that leave us? Today we do get most of our H2 from a questionably dirty source, but there’s ways to do it that are quite clean, just maybe a bit more expensive. Nearly every argument I see from BEV proponents against HFC mirrors those made by the coal rolling bro dozer crowd against BEVs, that part has always baffled me. If you believe some yet to be discovered battery technology is going to save us, why is it such a stretch to think we could install a pressurized tank at a gas station and use solar or geothermal energy to generate the H2 without the need for natural gas at all?
Now back to crashing super cars and other automotive buffoonery.
I don’t see distribution of H2 being much of a challenge TBH, production sure, but not transportation. Fundamentally it’s not too different from LPG transportation and distributionpressure increases as does the demand, but companies like Airgas and Praxair are already moving much more volatile gasses at similar pressures daily, all that’s left is to scale it.
Im not saying BEVs are bad, or not the final answer, but they haven’t figured out how to make enough batteries fast enough and cheap enough. So where does that leave us? Today we do get most of our H2 from a questionably dirty source, but there’s ways to do it that are quite clean, just maybe a bit more expensive. Nearly every argument I see from BEV proponents against HFC mirrors those made by the coal rolling bro dozer crowd against BEVs, that part has always baffled me. If you believe some yet to be discovered battery technology is going to save us, why is it such a stretch to think we could install a pressurized tank at a gas station and use solar or geothermal energy to generate the H2 without the need for natural gas at all?
Now back to crashing super cars and other automotive buffoonery.
My opinion, which isn’t worth anything, is it’s going to be safety that saves us. Self driving car technology or other assistance features that makes crashes impossible will make it so we can fight the biggest enemy of mileage. Weight. Without the fear of getting crushed by a truck cars will get lighter without sacrificing comfort. Most people just want to get places free of environmental hazards.
Actually it mainly just depends on costing of externalities and the price of electricity. Sensible countries are building oversupply of green renewables for just this reason. You are right that long range, heavy transport will be the first to adopt H2 (already is) but then this Infrastructure scale will enable use cases that are currently ‘uneconomic’ (although it’s wild to me that humans would choose climate destruction over economics).
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Also, yes classic Haber-Bosch (grey) hydrogen production is wildly greenhouse gas producing. Hydrogen makes no sense unless it is green. Even blue is 99% bullshit IRL, because of the factors Toshi mentioned. Recent studies put it often worse than coal burning still. Hydrogen province matters.
Energy analysts literally can’t keep up with the pace of investment in green hydrogen investment at the moment. We were listening to a dude today lamenting his lists were out of date halfway through compiling them. There is massive, exponential growth going on atm in this sector worldwide.
or just build the interties that allows them to suck off the Quebec teat... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/maine-hydropower-transmission-corrider-1.6256557
I have 13.94 kW of PV on my roof, and what we do pull from the grid during no-sun hours is offset by utility-scale solar RECs.
The Genesis G70 Shooting Brake Has Presence
Genesis's lone wagon is forbidden fruit in the U.S.
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The Genesis G70 Shooting Brake Has Presence
Genesis's lone wagon is forbidden fruit in the U.S.
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