[N8 v2.0]

:crickets:

 

[H8R]

 

[skatetokil]

I think they got the message from their constituents that nobody wanted another steaming pile of poorly written, undebated legislation going on the books. I know I wrote a couple of letters to that effect.

 

[$tinkle]

I think they got the message from their constituents that nobody wanted another steaming pile of poorly written, undebated legislation going on the books. I know I wrote a couple of letters to that effect.

so you're happy they wrote non-binding measures to "protest" the war in iraq, which is what the nov elections were about?

you seriously think you up-graded?
you think this group is any less "political" than those whom they replaced?

which pieces of legislation (both recently passed & expected to pass) do you hold dear as progress for our country?

sometimes i think we'd do better with term limits for all elected offices. abuse of power is rampant in both chambers more now than in recent memory.

 

[LordOpie]

you seriously think you up-graded?

no, but I think they'll kill less people.

 

[N8 v2.0]

no, but I think they'll kill less people.

less is more

 

[$tinkle]

no, but I think they'll kill less people.

can't argue w/ that. we'll become more francofied in just a few short years.

 

[LordOpie]

less is more

Is that what you tell your woman?

can't argue w/ that.

Good.


Seriously, in hindsight, would you approve of the course of action that was taken?

 

[N8 v2.0]

Is that what you tell your woman?



Good.


Seriously, in hindsight, would you approve of the course of action that was taken?

we should have used a nuke to start with?

 

[LordOpie]

we should have used a nuke to start with?

So what you're saying is...

"yes, the invasion and on-going activities were a good idea, well-planned, and well-executed."

?

 

[N8 v2.0]

So what you're saying is...

"yes, the invasion and on-going activities were a good idea, well-planned, and well-executed."

?

Invasion was well planned and expertly executed.

When the new Iraqi gov failed to provide security for it's citizens the hope for a quick in and out plan had to change.

 

[LordOpie]

Invasion was well planned and expertly executed.

When the new Iraqi gov failed to provide security for it's citizens the hope for a quick in and out plan had to change.

Invasion worked, yup.

Do you think the admin should've considered the possibility that the new govt wouldn't know what to do or how to do it?

 

[Echo]

Invasion was well planned and expertly executed.

When the new Iraqi gov failed to provide security for it's citizens the hope for a quick in and out plan had to change.

You are just a fountain of great sig material lately.

 

[$tinkle]

Seriously, in hindsight, would you approve of the course of action that was taken?

i don't have a zero-casualty war plan.

if we wanted to just go apeschyte and get a quick "victory" under our belt, we could've bombed the camelsnot out of them, but this has been executed with the future of the middle east in mind, so i can't offer any reasonable alternatives. i guess that makes me a defacto democrat.

 

[N8 v2.0]

You are just a fountain of great sig material lately.

thanks.

now where's graphics..???

 

[N8 v2.0]

Invasion worked, yup.

Do you think the admin should've considered the possibility that the new govt wouldn't know what to do or how to do it?

a plan is only good until you make contact with the enemy

 

[LordOpie]

i don't have a zero-casualty war plan.

No one was asking for that.

Do you think that this admin properly prepared for the contigency that the Iraqi govt would NOT be able to take control?

 

[LordOpie]

a plan is only good until you make contact with the enemy

do you think there was any plan or simulation or consideration for what would happen after the invasion?

 

[LordOpie]

Ok, how about this instead...

Give a grade for the whole Iraq think as one overall score.

C- or better is a passing grade.

Screw you people with Ds!

 

[Westy]

a plan is only good until you make contact with the enemy

Any good plan considers a wide array of 'what ifs'. Something taught in basic business school, maybe politicians and military folks should take that class.

 

[sanjuro]

While I depend totally on N 8 for my news and what I should think, here is the NY Times wrap up of the First 100 Hours: http://www.nytimes.com/ref/washington/100HOURS_GRAPHIC.html

 

[LordOpie]

Honestly, who gives the entire Iraq situation a passing grade?

 

[Westy]

Any good plan considers a wide array of 'what ifs'. Something taught in basic business school, maybe politicians and military folks should take that class.

Not to mention when all the experts before the war basically predicted what is happening as the worst case scenario.

N8 is either completely deluded or has a severe case of denial. Mental retardation could also be an explaination.

 

[LordOpie]

N8 is either completely deluded or has a severe case of denial. Mental retardation could also be an explaination.

Not just n8, but EVERYONE who glosses over 40,000 DEATHS.

It's sad and disturbing that so many people find these results reasonable.

 

[narlus]

can't argue w/ that. we'll become more francofied in just a few short years.

at least we'll be able to get good bread.

 

[N8 v2.0]

While I depend totally on N 8 for my news and what I should think, here is the NY Times wrap up of the First 100 Hours: http://www.nytimes.com/ref/washington/100HOURS_GRAPHIC.html

uh oh... i dont see any "get out of Iraq" or "fix Iraq" stuff on that list... i thought this was the dimz mandate from the election...

the minimum wage increase...???

yeah, that's pretty much in the top 5 of national problems than need addressing.

 

[LordOpie]

At least they didn't kill anyone.

If you're ok, I mean really ok, with how Iraq is going and all the dead kids, then I feel bad for your wife.

 

[N8 v2.0]

At least they didn't kill anyone.

If you're ok, I mean really ok, with how Iraq is going and all the dead kids, then I feel bad for your wife.

iraq sucks, but oddly enough, the army/jar heads/squids/airdales i talk to daily who have been there in iraq more often than not, want to go back and fight it out until its done. these are members of the volunteer military most of whom are lower ranks who signed up after 9-11.

lossing our people sucks but it isnt like they are dying in droves... hell, they have a greater chance of being killed here in the US in a car wreck and that's exactly how most of them look at it.

 

[LordOpie]

iraq sucks.

I'm glad you let go of the party line long enough to express yourself.

 

[$tinkle]

While I depend totally on N 8 for my news and what I should think, here is the NY Times wrap up of the First 100 Hours: http://www.nytimes.com/ref/washington/100HOURS_GRAPHIC.html

not so fast:
Congress isn't willing to change the way it oversees intelligence:

Congress is quick to reform other areas of government but unwilling to reform itself.

Democratic leaders in Congress campaigned on a promise that if they took control of the House and Senate, they would pass laws following all the recommendations of the 9/11 commission.

Last week, House leaders made good on most of that promise. They passed a package of legislation that follows most of the recommendations of the commission. But they left out one key recommendation: Congress won't change the way it funds and oversees the nation's intelligence operations.

The commission found Congress' intelligence processes divided and ineffective. The House and Senate intelligence committees oversee the spy agencies, but they don't control their budgets, limiting their powers in dealing with these agencies. The commission recommended that these committees be given authority over the intelligence agencies' budgets.

Congress has ignored that recommendation. It would require powerful members on the appropriations committees to give up some of their power, and Democratic leaders aren't willing to take that step.

Instead, they are forming another committee that will include members of the intelligence and appropriations committees. This will not solve the problem. It simply adds another layer of bureaucracy to intelligence oversight, the same bureaucracy the commission wanted simplified.

The commission also recommended that members stay on these committees longer than on other committees and that no term limits be in effect for members of the intelligence committees. That way they could develop expertise in overseeing the spy agencies.

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi already changed the Democratic leadership of the House Intelligence Committee so she could throw out a political rival and install a supporter.

This shows too high a dedication to business as usual at the expense of necessary reforms. Congressional leaders can't justify enacting all of the commission's recommendations except the one that would reform their own operation.

As Sen. Joseph Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, pointed out, this is "unfinished work." "We found it a lot easier to reform the rest of the government than we did to reform ourselves post-9/11," he said.

Americans will want that to change. We will want to see that Congress values our safety and security more than its own usual way of doing business.

and the min wage? how many americans are on min wage for longer than this war has waged? funny how from '85 - '90 i lived on less than min wage (which was certainly less than what it is now), and didn't run up debt. mind you, i didn't have a suckling on me teets or some other hardships. tax breaks would be more attractive to me (which is available to some small businesses now as part of the increase, but not all).

stem cell research: why didn't they go for embryonic? it's just a clump of cells, no more significant than the flotsam embedded in my keyboard, ja?

seriously, why don't the dems sac up & punt from irak?

 

[N8 v2.0]

what going to be fun is watching the Dims (most of whom voted for the war) try to figure out how to deal with the situation now they are majority.

they will not be able to talk crap then say that they are the minority and therefore can't do anything like they were doing before.

now its time to deliver.

 

[$tinkle]

At least they didn't kill anyone.

by that, do you mean:
1: "in the first 100 hrs", or
2: "except for those dems who voted to fund the troops so they could execute W's warplan"

also, what's significant about 40k? is that supposed to be the collateral damage at the hands of us forces?

me confuzed.

 

[N8 v2.0]

by that, do you mean:
1: "in the first 100 hrs", or
2: "except for those dems who voted to fund the troops so they could execute W's warplan"

also, what's significant about 40k? is that supposed to be the collateral damage at the hands of us forces?

me confuzed.

i thought the dems/liberals said there were over 10000000000 of iraqi dead now...

give or take a few 0's

 

[LordOpie]

I just think it's funny that you two are so giddy about criticizing the Dems when you refuse to criticize your own party.

Must be nice to be so partisan that you don't have to do any introspection.

 

[N8 v2.0]

I just think it's funny that you two are so giddy about criticizing the Dems when you refuse to criticize your own party.

Must be nice to be so partisan that you don't have to do any introspection.

war isnt won by introspection.

 

[$tinkle]

I just think it's funny that you two are so giddy about criticizing the Dems when you refuse to criticize your own party.

are you daft?

:jazz-hands:

 

[$tinkle]

war isnt won by introspection.

that would look smart on a Che baby-doll shirt

 

[N8 v2.0]

that would look smart on a Che baby-doll shirt

yep...... haha!

 

[LordOpie]

Imagine if the republicans cared just one-tenth for the world as they did about money.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Imagine if the republicans cared just one-tenth for the world as they did about money.

thats a dumb view... to make money we need markets and people...

anything that promotes long term consumerism is good