Not suggesting that we all aren't squids, that chest pounding doesn't exist in other discipline's, or that one discipline trumps another. It was awesome to see the stoke biking brought to a bunch of riders I saw at Killington this year during the US Open when we got to a ski trail opening and saw a group of guys practicing the enduro course holding their bikes on top of them as they slid butt first down a rock face as if it was a slide. Maybe I'm getting old and soft, but if what I witnessed was the spirit of enduro, then perhaps maybe all of us cyclist could use a little more of it.
I don't mind Jared and Richie cheating, they are probably not the only one... I just like observing the whole situation it created, watching the rats leaving the boat and the others trying to keep it afloat
I think JG and RR have lost a whole lot of credibility (and the EWS by extension) and probably won’t ever completely shake their reputation as cheaters. I feel like the “everyone is doping” argument historically deployed to defend dopers in road cycling is a cop out, especially in this case where the rest of the podium tested negative.
This is a pivotal moment for doping control and cleaning up the EWS and a harsh punishment as a deterrent is needed, IMO. I suspect these guys will get a slap on the wrist and the rest of the field, realizing how skewed the risk-reward equation is in favor of doping, will be “accidentally ingesting” dodgy supplements and consulting their doctors about those “asthmatic problems” they’ve been experiencing.
Yeah. But in road cycling it's actually an honest one
Is anyone even using that argument for Jared and Ritchie?
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Yeah it's honest but it's still shit because you win by having a) better doctors b) risking your health more.
Still better to know the truth from the off before wasting your life chasing a pro road career though.
The thing is many roadies still pretend it isn't the case. It's not officially aknowledged even if everyone knows it. I doubt a father will tell his 12 year old son "have in mind everyone you like does drugs"
"Son, I'm off my fookin' head on IRN BRU again. You're ganna have to goo work ma shift at the distillery today," said Gary.
If you're referring to Armstrong, everyone who podiumed when he did was caught at one point or another. He was the only "clean" one at the time which is why everyone was so suspicious.
It's funny to me to see people think that when money / fame is involved that athletes are clean. I hung out in the bodybuilding and power lifting crowd. And even used 10year. Since that crowd is more open about using. Other Athletes in the gym are more open. NFL players can use almost as much gear as a power lifter and still pass a drug test. WADA is stricter so many cyclists and endurance athletes look for the next thing that isnt on the list. Or isnt traceable.
Yeah but I doubt you are represenative of how most people bring their children up. Probably none of us are.
In our side of biking we thought differently because the community was smaller and everyone knew it better plus it used to be more about skill. Especially in the old days where half of the field used beer instead of Rhyno suplements.
Hobby sports vs pro sports. Once money and keeping a contract depends on winning. Pros will do what they need to to win.
When I ride alo e I have the best times, both figuratively and stravatively. When I ride with an assho... I mean buddy, it turns into a race. There's no money involved.have you seen the prize purses for enduro racing?
WTF. I'm not a Geordie.
You're thinking of famous ex England international football legend and all round twat Gazza from the 90s
I'm Gary. The Scottish mountainbike version.
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I actually can't stand the taste of whisky either.Great. Now i'm thirsty for whisky.
Ok, not really. 'Cause that shit's nasty.
Shows ya what I know!
I thought IRN BRU was still the national drink after whisky, otherwise everyone else on here only has heroin/Trainspotting for referenceWTF. I'm not a Geordie.
I'm Gary. The Scottish mountainbike version.
FYI There's a massive difference (and rivalry) between East and West coast ScotsI thought IRN BRU was still the national drink after whisky, otherwise everyone else on here only has heroin/Trainspotting for reference
IRN BRU addiction and Tennents is West Coast
Heroin and Trainspotting is East.
I used to live opposite the train station the "Trainspotting" line in the book was named after was set in.
Great. Now i'm thirsty for whisky.
Ok, not really. 'Cause that shit's nasty.
Are you referring to whiskey or EPO?
Both are actually quite good as a mid-rid pick-me-up and I think both are banned by UCI, makes you think doesn't it?
Not denying that road cycling is dirty. Far from it. But there are some clean racers, who simply don’t have the inclination or resources to dope, and those are the guys getting f*cked over. Same as everyone who was behind Jared and Richie.
As for the “everyone is doing it” argument, people like Barelli have basically used it. Justifying shitty behavior on the basis of others in your peer group doing the same thing is weaksauce and it’s the kind of mentality that’s found in genocides, pedophile rings and the fanny pack thread
No shit?
Hence why I said this:
People "like" Barelli? Or Barelli? and if so. What exactly did he say?
Yoann Barelli. But quite a few people liked his comment so both.
Christ, I had to go looking through that flog's instagram to find the quote and couldn't find it. Found his Pinkbike comment though:
If you were able to wade through that verbal diarrhoea, then the gist of what he's saying is, everyone's doing it so it's not so bad (plus some other bullsh1t about being a vegan and how he's 'like an artist'), and we shouldn't "'point the finger at these 2 guys". I couldn't disagree more. Like I said before, I think the EWS needs to make an example of these guys lest we find ourselves in the situation road cycling is/was in.
I mostly mean the pros. I got DQ'd during Polish nationals because I asked one of the race execs for my time with a beer in hand.
Communities tend to self regulate pretty well when they are new and small. The argument that as soon as you can win money people start cheating and the proportion of cheaters is the same in all sports is unrealistic.