[SylentK]

WTF? Did they not know they had to go thru the gates? (which is stupid anyway). Usually the rule is stay between the tape.

TweedGate gonna go down!

I assume the Yeti team manager (I forget his name) is going to have some words with some people. I know I would.

 

[schwaaa31]

Hill mechanic (Jacy?) said in the pre race meeting they were very clear about the gates being the course markers, not the tape. Whoopsie daisy.

 

[schwaaa31]

Here it is.

 

[slimshady]

Now they need to put those gates in the climbing stages at EWS-E to terminally fuck that shit up.

 

[jonKranked]

Hill mechanic (Jacy?) said in the pre race meeting they were very clear about the gates being the course markers, not the tape. Whoopsie daisy.

Reminds me of VdP forgetting the wooden ramp being removed at the Olympics

 

[SylentK]

Reminds me of VdP forgetting the wooden ramp being removed at the Olympics

Totally.

The win was in your hands, man!

 

[fwp]

Gates inside the tape is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen, why have the tape there if they aren't the boundary?
Between the Hill climbs mid stage, now the gates inside the tape? Has anyone ever watched a bike race and said to themselves, Gates on course would really take this sport up a notch! WTF

 

[jonKranked]

Have other news events/venues used gates in combination with tape?

 

[toodles]

3:29 for Rude (with the cut) vs 3:25 for Moir. Bit anti-climatic to see the rivalry come down to a DSQ.

Also, I'm definitely a Moir fan not a Richie fan but SURELY no one is daft enough to do that deliberately and maliciously.

 

[iRider]

Kerr in 14th!

 

[jonKranked]

Also, I'm definitely a Moir fan not a Richie fan but SURELY no one is daft enough to do that deliberately and maliciously.

...or in front of well, everyone.

 

[Gary]

massive brain fart

From the drugs?
Yeah. Probably... Its not as if he hasn't been here practicing for over a week.

 

[Inclag]

From the drugs?
Yeah. Probably... Its not as if he hasn't been here practicing for over a week.

Remind me again. Is riding the trails ahead of practice/the race kosher? Isn't this a fairly common thing EWS riders do?

 

[Gary]

No idea. But for the last week inners trails were swamped with riders who are competing this weekend. They were taped last Sat/Sunday

 

[maxyedor]

Gates inside the tape is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen, why have the tape there if they aren't the boundary?

Tape to keep the fans where you want them, gates to make the riders go where they’re supposed to.

It’s honestly a solid way to mark a shitty flat grass corner like that. You need the fans to stay back so when Rude misses the line he doesn’t run anybody over, and simple gates means you’re no out there re-taping everything when someone biffs the corner.

Plus if they were doing that to deliberately cheat, that was about the dumbest fuckin spot they could have picked.

Yeah, I think that should have been taken into consideration in the Marshall’s decision, a minor course cut in front of the cameras, crowd and in sight of the finish line? You really think he was trying to get away with something there? Stupid mistakes should result in time penalties, not disqualification, especially on day 1 of a 2 day final race of the season. Even if he protests it he’s fucked.

Rude also isn’t making it any better with his social media posts. Dude is turning into Gwin, immensely talented, I’m sure a nice guy in person, but his public persona is just unlikable.

 

[SylentK]

The PB comments are hilarious. Glad I don't have to deal with that here

He took the fastest line.

Sometimes your brain just switches off and does what you need to do to win. Isn't that racing? No excuse, don't get me wrong, but it happens.

Even in my pathetic excuse as an amateur racer, I've made a mistake like that. But it didn't cost me any fame or fortune. Just bragging rights.

"I totally missed that corner because I was too much of an idiot to realize when they told me they were going to tape the corner like that, they actually meant it."

 

[toodles]

Wouldn't have hurt them to run tape from the outside tape to the gate on all of them but yeah oh well. I'd have personally liked it if he'd just been given a time penalty (even a massive one to effectively squash his hopes) but let him still race so we can nerd out over stage times and see what the result could have been. Now we just have to speculate wildly that Moir was gonna win anyway and the Yeti was gonna crack and fail catastrophically.

 

[Westy]

Here’s the footage if the link works.

M A T T S T U T T A R D. on Instagram: "@world_enduro #ewstweedvalley Pro Stage 1 Carnage & Cheat lines ‍♂️ . . #TheChaseIsOn #PrivateerBikes #161 #WhoStopsYou . . @privateerbikes @hunt.mountain @ohlinsmtb @rampagevehicles @powerbar_europe @ride100percentuk @magura_bicycle @ochaincomponents @michelinbicycle @mucoff @ridecncpts @sdgcomponents @rimpactmtb @avsracing @themudhugger @backcountryresearchstraps @silverfishuk @infinite.optic @dangodesignuk"

1,986 likes, 95 comments - mattstuttard46 on October 2, 2021: "@world_enduro #ewstweedvalley Pro Stage 1 Carnage & Cheat lines ‍♂️ . . #TheChaseIs..."

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Looks like a sweet black diamond on piste velo-shushing course. Where was Tomac with some drop bars?

Having a race going from tape to flags is epically stupid. That being said it is the job of a pro to understand the stupidity they are getting themselves into. This race was the most EWS content that I have seen. I think I will keep it that way.

 

[iRider]

Wouldn't have hurt them to run tape from the outside tape to the gate on all of them but yeah oh well. I'd have personally liked it if he'd just been given a time penalty (even a massive one to effectively squash his hopes) but let him still race so we can nerd out over stage times and see what the result could have been. Now we just have to speculate wildly that Moir was gonna win anyway and the Yeti was gonna crack and fail catastrophically.

They should have put two rows of these on the outside of the gates. If your Cushcore/Stan/tubeless can take this it is an approved line.

 

[jonKranked]

Wouldn't have hurt them to run tape from the outside tape to the gate on all of them but yeah oh well. I'd have personally liked it if he'd just been given a time penalty (even a massive one to effectively squash his hopes) but let him still race so we can nerd out over stage times and see what the result could have been. Now we just have to speculate wildly that Moir was gonna win anyway and the Yeti was gonna crack and fail catastrophically.

Slowest time +10s. DFL.

 

[FlipFantasia]

Slowest time +10s. DFL.

yeah, relegated to slowest time if no DQ, but missing gates, especially at speed with no attempt to correct is kinda blatant regardless, and missing gates has always been DQ. Add in specifically being told to stay between the gates in riders meeting = no excuse.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Damn, those are some tight trails. I'd like to see the 820mm bar sick brah bros try and ride there!

 

[Gary]

Been riding the area on and off for almost 30 years. My Ebike's bars (780) measure 790mm end cap to end cap and ride with the edge of my palms overhanging ends by 10mm or so.
it's fine.
Folk have been known to cut their bars down for riding Inners. but there really isn't a single section where it's needed.

 

[Inclag]

Found it interesting that Matt Stuttard's Instagram made reference to cheat lines. As a fellow racer you'd like to think that there'd be some sensitivity, tactfulness, or a tongue in cheek'ness to the situation.

 

[Gary]

You're not seriously saying you want to see more sensitivity used when calling out someone for cheating at world level in the sport?

WTF is this world becoming?

 

[toodles]

Just saw the results. Well played all. Got LOL at Bernard in 10th. The dude HATES enduro

 

[Inclag]

You're not seriously saying you want to see more sensitivity used when calling out someone for cheating at world level in the sport?

WTF is this world becoming?

Nope. Not what I was trying to get at, but can see how it was interpreted that way. Could have done a better job with that post. Working through a wicked head cold that the kids gave me and minimal sleep....

To clarify. It's makes you wonder when a colleague (Stuttard) is using the term 'cheat' and Hill's mechanic Jacy is posting about the gates being specifically spoken about at the rider's pre-race meeting. Both are very principled positions to take given the circumstances.

 

[canadmos]

Nope. Not what I was trying to get at, but can see how it was interpreted that way. Could have done a better job with that post. Working through a wicked head cold that the kids gave me and minimal sleep....

To clarify. It's makes you wonder when a colleague (Stuttard) is using the term 'cheat' and Hill's mechanic Jacy is posting about the gates being specifically spoken about at the rider's pre-race meeting. Both are very principled positions to take given the circumstances.

The whole social media thing these days must be pretty awkward at times...some comments and posts seem quite passive aggressive.

I mean at the end of the day, they broke the rules. Shitty or not for them, it is what it is.

Hopefully everyone, the EWS and the riders, both use it as a learning experience. Maybe do it how the UCI and DH tape the course. All tape and double wide in spots to keep spectators back. Take all questions or interpretation out of the equation and either use tape or gates, not both. Or if you use gates, don't tape some and not others...

Congrats to Jack.

 

[Andeh]

It was really cool to see Evan Wall (the guy who won PB Academy) finish his first pro season strong, with a 13th place finish. And Kasper kept getting better and better too.

 

[jonKranked]

Shark Attack is now sponsored by Monster Energy. Pretty rad!

 

[toodles]

Shark Attack is now sponsored by Monster Energy. Pretty rad!

Taking it pretty seriously too. Started his last video by pouring monster on his brekky cereal

 

[toodles]

Good to hear it all direct from the riders. Also love Oton's post racing goals - "drink beer and smoke weed"

 

[toodles]

Git farked he is quick.

Also doesn't seem like bad blood between the Rude and him at all. Good to see.

Short and sweet from the Misspent boys

 

[jonKranked]

The PB comments are hilarious. Glad I don't have to deal with that here

He took the fastest line.

Sometimes your brain just switches off and does what you need to do to win. Isn't that racing? No excuse, don't get me wrong, but it happens.

Even in my pathetic excuse as an amateur racer, I've made a mistake like that. But it didn't cost me any fame or fortune. Just bragging rights.

"I totally missed that corner because I was too much of an idiot to realize when they told me they were going to tape the corner like that, they actually meant it."

while generally varying between cringey and hilarious, in reading them i did learn that apparently on the second day of racing, the race organizers fixed the issue and taped the gates. (the pro stage on day 1 was also used for stage 6).

sorry for beating a dead horse and bringing this back up, but that really raises some questions about the decisions. if they felt the need to fix it, was the DSQ instead of a time penalty really the correct decision? conversely, if the use of the gates really made the line that obvious and it was appropriately explained to the riders, then why fix it?

 

[FlipFantasia]

modifying the tape on day 2 really isn't the 'gotcha!' you're implying it is.

 

[jonKranked]

modifying the tape on day 2 really isn't the 'gotcha!' you're implying it is.

you're right, the line was so obvious it shouldn't have needed any fixing at all.

 

[toodles]

sorry for beating a dead horse and bringing this back up, but that really raises some questions about the decisions. if they felt the need to fix it, was the DSQ instead of a time penalty really the correct decision? conversely, if the use of the gates really made the line that obvious and it was appropriately explained to the riders, then why fix it?

In the WynTV post race thingy, both Wyn and Rude seem to agree that it was a mistake and worthy of a time penalty but a DSQ is stupid. Wyn reckons even a 20 minute time penalty, but let him at least race would have been the way to go.

I feel bad for the other guy that got DQ'ed - he was a privateer. Imagine travelling all the way to an event and then not be allowed to even race the whole thing, even if your time didn't count.

 

[kidwoo]

What a stupid fucken format

correct

You're coming around, even if slowly

 

[jonKranked]

In the WynTV post race thingy, both Wyn and Rude seem to agree that it was a mistake and worthy of a time penalty but a DSQ is stupid. Wyn reckons even a 20 minute time penalty, but let him at least race would have been the way to go.

I feel bad for the other guy that got DQ'ed - he was a privateer. Imagine travelling all the way to an event and then not be allowed to even race the whole thing, even if your time didn't count.

yea, it was a dumb mistake and yes should have been penalized. my thoughts on that would be take the slowest finishing time for the stage and add the difference between that and the winning time, which for that stage would have put him ~2 minutes behind.

 

[toodles]

yea, it was a dumb mistake and yes should have been penalized. my thoughts on that would be take the slowest finishing time for the stage and add the difference between that and the winning time, which for that stage would have put him ~2 minutes behind.

My thoughts are to make him drink a pint of Tennet's before each stage and race on @Gary 's bike with nothing but haggis for nutrition all day.