No marketing fail here. If you want a bike for the trails those people ride at the speeds those people ride - buy an enduro bike. If you want a bike for flatter trails, one that's more lively you get one and don't bother if it's called enduro or whatever else. I don't get what's a problem here? Do it all, casual fun bikes are just that. Kinda hard to design marketable race format around them.I am not arguing against that. But it is not the "All Mountain/Trail bike Worldcup" but the "Enduro Worldcup", so the marketing fails here. Even some enduro racers use the "smaller" trail bikes of their sponsors, e.g. Canyon CLLCTV riders.
Funny Ibis/DW side note;ibis still exists?
huh....
nothing new (or even unique to DW/ibis really)They replied that all of that information was propriety and DW does not allow it to be released.....
Even better are the companies that will not publish geometry numbers.That's why I thought it was kind of ridiculous to not just release the info like everyone else does.
It's not like it can be kept under wraps.
Even better are the companies that will not publish geometry numbers.
Yeah they've told me the same thing before. Usually that Linkage Design blogspot guy will post it eventually.Funny Ibis/DW side note;
They have a new HD6 Endurbro frame with DW suspension coming out. The geo is not insanely long/slack, no long clevis mount and frame lines are nice and clean. Looks decent. I emailed them asking for suspension info like leverage rates/curves, AS, etc.
They replied that all of that information was propriety and DW does not allow it to be released.....
Don't pay much attention to road. But good on Sepp! Durango, CO represent! Lots of talented riders down there.In other news, Sepp Kuss has pretty much won La Vuelta a Espana.
The first American in 10 years and the second ever.
Road racing seems healthy and stuffed full of cash. Gravel racing is pretty huge at the moment, maybe all the dentists will trade their Yetis in for skinny tire bikes.
Fox is ready.
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interesting tidbit in reviewing his analysis, is that the system appears to be optimized for 36t-38t chainrings. that pretty much immediately disqualifies me from riding it. seems like an oft-forgotten metric in all the discussions about geo/fitting/kinematics, but a pretty fundamental one IMO...Yeah they've told me the same thing before. Usually that Linkage Design blogspot guy will post it eventually.
Edit: yep, here you go: https://linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2023/06/ibis-hd6-2023.html
Antonio Osuna (used to be @Vrock here), Likage Design's blog owner, always points out which chainring size the bike is optimized for.interesting tidbit in reviewing his analysis, is that the system appears to be optimized for 36t-38t chainrings. that pretty much immediately disqualifies me from riding it. seems like an oft-forgotten metric in all the discussions about geo/fitting/kinematics, but a pretty fundamental one IMO...
Nice, he's on it!Yeah they've told me the same thing before. Usually that Linkage Design blogspot guy will post it eventually.
Edit: yep, here you go: https://linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2023/06/ibis-hd6-2023.html
And 3D Racing, Durango Bike Works w/ Robbie Rupe, and some crappy attempts like Durango Bike Company.Don't pay much attention to road. But good on Sepp! Durango, CO represent! Lots of talented riders down there.
When it comes down to collegiate racing Durango (Ft. Lewis) was always on top. At least back in my day.
If you don't remember, that's where the original Yeti came from. And Barracuda. You may not remember that brand.
Yeah it does! When I went to school in Durango, Missy Giove and Myles Rockwell were living there too.And 3D Racing, Durango Bike Works w/ Robbie Rupe, and some crappy attempts like Durango Bike Company.
Currently Myth Cycles, Sanitas Cycles (the Dean Ti guy and son), and Tectonic Components.
For riders; Deadly Nedly, Johnny T, Herbold, Todd and Troy Wells, Chris Blevins, Howard Grotts, a shit town of fast U23 XC riders like Riley Amos, and soon to be WC DH Jr podium sitter Asa Vermette.
The town spits out fast riders like a fat guy blowing mud after a Taco Bell binge.
Huh, not if you use the translate function in Chrome! I could not see what you guys were talking about until I reverted back to the original in Spanish.Antonio Osuna (used to be @Vrock here), Likage Design's blog owner, always points out which chainring size the bike is optimized for.
You do realize the bike will still pedal fairly well on different rings?interesting tidbit in reviewing his analysis, is that the system appears to be optimized for 36t-38t chainrings. that pretty much immediately disqualifies me from riding it. seems like an oft-forgotten metric in all the discussions about geo/fitting/kinematics, but a pretty fundamental one IMO...
perhaps. but I'd rather spend time on a bike that is optimized for the kind of riding I do. this one seems biased to pedaling fast downhill. I typically run a 32t ring and have been toying with the thought of a 30t ring. that's a big step down from 36t-38t....You do realize the bike will still pedal fairly well on different rings?
But optimized is such a silly term. It doesn't tell you if the bike pedals better with 32T vs other bikes even if they have been "optimized" for that ring size.perhaps. but I'd rather spend time on a bike that is optimized for the kind of riding I do. this one seems biased to pedaling fast downhill. I typically run a 32t ring and have been toying with the thought of a 30t ring. that's a big step down from 36t-38t....
In other news, Sepp Kuss has pretty much won La Vuelta a Espana.
The first American in 10 years and the second ever.
Road racing seems healthy and stuffed full of cash. Gravel racing is pretty huge at the moment, maybe all the dentists will trade their Yetis in for skinny tire bikes.
Fox is ready.
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I'd be very surprised if Kuss was doping. He is such a mellow and all around good guy.Jumbo going 1-2-3 in the Vuelta and winning all the GTs this year truly is a miracle. Just hard work and grit got Kuss that overall after having ridden all three GTs this year.
Like the last American Tour of Spain winner, this performance raised my eyebrows so high that they touched my (receding) hairline.
I hear Kuss is pals with Tom Danielson, one of the dullest knives in a drawer of already worn cutlery that is the pro peloton, and a known doper from the pedigree of dopers from that era of Fort Lewis alumni.
Jumbo not even hiding the hot sauce packets any more.
Fair enough. I hope it stands the rest of time.I'd be very surprised if Kuss was doping. He is such a mellow and all around good guy.
Born and bred in Durango and crushing it from a very young age. For sure no Lance Asshole type.
But stranger things have happened....that time trial was shocking.
Horners Vuelta on the other hand, for sure on something. He was 41 for shits sake and beat a bunch of known dopers to take the win.
There was that Richie Rude scandal but I know one ex WADA guy and one sports team trainer and they did mention that it technically is possible to ingest banned substances by accident if there is contamination since suplements are so unregulated you could probably hide nuclear waste in them and most people would not notice.Thankfully no one is doping in Enduro. Some riders did happen to disappear from the reaults just when UCI oversight arrived. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
As a fan I want to believe in the legitimacy of the modern era.
While the echo chamber is partially true this is true for any industry. Still better than some contrarians you find in the industry.What's old is new again:
THROWBACK THURSDAY,1993: LONG BEFORE GRAVEL, ROCKSHOX WAS AT PARIS-ROUBAIX
How the RockShox Ruby predated the new Rudy gravelroadbikeaction.com
Regarding Enduro, the bike industry is an echo chamber. It's the same white dudes bouncing around from company to company trying to will their vision of the sport into being. The tail doesn't wag the dog, it turns out.
The worst thing that happened to these tools was having access to capital via acquisition by private equity or, worse, via publicly traded parent companies.
The bike industry again accuses someone of shitting its own pants for them. News at 11.
It's not a rule where you can get caught being on gear 3 times. It's a rule where top athletes have to CONSTANTLY give info to WADA about their wearabouts so they can be surprise tested.Not saying I totally believe, just that I WANT to believe.
I'm not aware of an formal 3-strikes rule, got a source? It's my understanding that it's zero tolerance these days, both in terms of the governing body and (even more) with the teams.
Athletes who are part of the registered testing pool need to let us know where they are going to be, at specific times. This is so we can perform testing with no advanced notice.
If athletes in the registered testing pool do not provide current and accurate whereabouts information, they may incur a declaration of a missed test, or a filing failure. This is sometimes called a ‘strike’.
If an athlete gets 3 strikes in a 12 month period, this is an anti-doping rule violation and the athlete can be sanctioned.
I would not be totally surprised if they decided to keep EDR-E alive.I for one, am devastated about the potential loss of moped racing.
Yep. I don't have a hard time believing that they kill EDR, but keep EDR-E. I suspect that it will evolve into something like XCO where it's more TV friendly (multiple laps on shorter track, whole thing timed, possibly running at same time), just with spicier tracks. That way the lizards from broadcast and bike industry both benefit.I would not be totally surprised if they decided to keep EDR-E alive.
Some insiders told me exactly that, "normal" endurp WC is dead, only e-durp will remain.I would not be totally surprised if they decided to keep EDR-E alive.
i could totally wrap my head around this format. self-shuttle multi stage dh. proper dh tracks, dual crown long travel ebikes, etc.Enduro would have worked quite well if those idiots hadn't put in climbing stages and fucking stupid pedalling sections in their tracks.
Ride up DH is the only sensible race category for an ebike. And even then. Only on proper DH tracks making motor choice less of an unfair advantage.