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The Freecaster/WC coverage 2012 thread

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by big-ted, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. big-ted

    big-ted Danced with A, attacked by C, fired by D.

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    At the request of Mr Trumpore...

    So Fraser throws out the comment:

    Cue various comments:

    etc etc

    So, I, for one, would love to see the Freecaster coverage continue next year. Popular rumors (although none seemingly without bias) seem to be that this is a case of the UCI generally being a bunch of self-important twats, something that is generally a safe bet regardless of the underlying causes of this particular issue. I'd like to know who, in particular, we should write to at the UCI to express our disgust at this state of affairs.

    Aaaaand, GO!
     

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  2. big-ted

    big-ted Danced with A, attacked by C, fired by D.

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    And regarding the issue of commentating, some of the comments on this article make for a good read:

    http://dirt.mpora.com/world-cup/hart-pugin-fastest-val-di-sole-world-cup-timed-practice.html

    So it was Stacy Kohut, who himself provided some top-rate commentary at many Crankworx events, who agreed (albeit somewhat more strongly!) with me re: Warner and his influence on outside sponsorship. Don't get me wrong, I find Warner hilarious and entertaining, but I suspect outside companies don't get the joke and would perhaps rather not be associated with some of Warner's comments. The question is, would we rather the coverage be reduced and/or have to pay for it, but keep the hilarious commentary, or grow up a little and take things a little more seriously? I don't mean to come down on either side of the fence on this one. Both have their merits...
     
  3. EVIL JN

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    Maybe i have been kind of damaged by now but this last season i think warners has been really good. He hasnt sad anything bad about the women if anything he has begining to be impressed by them and teaming up with anneke for commentating on the women has been really good.

    Infact between warner and the swedish guy that comments on roadcycling for eurosport they are the best commentators i have ever listen to. Only thing warner could get a bit better at is the cold hard facts/stats. But what makes him really good is the fact he has ridden at this level and he knows the players personally which makes the interviews actually interesting and woth listening to.
     
  4. Da Peach

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    Warner is the Don Cherry of the World Cup. He just needs to clean up his act a bit and he'd be all set of "general consumption".

    I would have thought that with all the hooplah created by Gwinn, the US companies would be keen to keep the hype machine going and keep exposure to a maximum. You'd think Fox, Trek, Spec, Monster, Oakley, SRAM, Giant, etc... would be able to justify a contribution to keep the broadcasts going.
     
  5. SuspectDevice

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    I felt a little uneasy sharing the clip of Danny Hart's race run from VDS via my social media channels. I had no option but to share it because it was so rad but;
    IT BEGAN WITH A RAPE JOKE.

    Note to Warner-, turn's out some people don't like rape jokes, including people in my target demographic.
     
  6. JCL

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    I would pay $10 a round for full live coverage.
     
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    Rape joke? Guess I missed that one. Maybe Warner could clean it up a bit... Otherwise his coverage has been good.
     
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    It wasnt that bad. Imho he is a bit oversensitive. Warners comment was : he is hungrier than an out of work rapist.
     
  9. IH8Rice

    IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

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    cant imagine why they cant get funding then :rolleyes:
    they should fire that zero and move on

    that was close to what he said.
     
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    If Warner really is the reason for a lack of funding then he should most definitely go. If not North America should just develop a sense of humour :)
     
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    In the first 2 seconds of the clip all my customers are going to hear is an unintelligible dude blurting dude "rapist". You and I can parse that. Warner's is a bit of a greasy mook and sometimes he screws up his aphorisms... Oops.

    Does a 45 year old road biker with two daughters from the conservative part of the US have any sort of framework to understand that? Doubt it.
    Therin lies the problem.

    I'm sure the real problem here is the UCI going wild with asking wild and crazy amounts of money for tv rights.

    The UCI is getting greedier and greedier. I had to send them 2 months salary this year so that my road and cx bikes are "legal" in int'l competition.
    For my 2012 models it'll be the equivalent of 6 months of state sales tax.

    If I made carbon bikes it would actually be more than twice my yearly income...

    What The Fuc&?

    10's of thousands of dollars to "approve" a frame for competition?

    Rob is brash and grating, but if there is an issue here it's in Aigle, without a doubt.
     
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    All the Camera's are UCI........do they pay for all that.....?......wonder if they have been losing money.....?........just throwing that out there, would love to hear some more facts before bashing.....

    Warner has cleaned up his act. He no longer disrepects the dozen's of racers outside the top 10.....the Rape comment made me cringe......I think he is decent guy, just talks before thinking sometimes.
     
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    All you guys bagging on Warner need to lighten the eff up. Who here hasn't gone a bit too far trying to be funny? Not everything needs to be sanitized for children. Besides, weren't you all complaining a few weeks ago that the commentary wasn't as interesting when Nigel was commentating?

    I love Phil Liggett. That doesn't mean I would want him or someone like him as a WC announcer. The action is wild and the commentary fits. I'd still watch without Warner but it wouldn't be nearly as interesting.
     
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    I seriously hope this turns out to be incorrect, it'll be a huge backward step for the sport.

    This is where I never had a problem with paying say $5-10 per broadcast (I'm that keen to watch it I'd pay $40), but there were many whingers out there who though they were entitled to a free broadcast.

    Unless someone else picks up the coverage how are we going to enjoy watching our sport? We'll be relegated to the highlight packages from Dirt and Tri-ride, whilst it is fantastic these guys create these free clips for us to enjoy it still doesn't match watching the mens final live and complete.

    However all this is speculation until it is official and hopefully the reasons will be made available then (Fraser I hope you're wrong but you are obviously very close to the action). To all the whingers, you don't know what you've got until it gone....
     
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    WTF? That is insane. I really belive there should be a movement against the old sports orgs or at least the uci. The last string of scandals in other sport orgs only confirms they are rich old bastards who care only about themselves.


    As for the Warner controversy - I think it is different in yurp. People generally care a bit less about political correctness.
     
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    there's your problem...
     
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    Does the above mentioned person even care about downhill racing? :confused:
     
  18. captainspauldin

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    I think that's the point he's making. They're not going to have a chance to care if they get initially turned-off by an "off-color" comment from Mr. Warner..
     
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    The joke was clearly a jab at Strauss-Kahn.
     
  20. dump

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    Unfortunately, but you're right
     
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    But do we want to censor our sport so that a conservative jesus freak roadie eventually, possibly, maybe gets interested in it???? I doubt he ever will, no matter what we do.
     
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    Something similar happens down here when ever you want a race, you have to pay the national bike comission what is considered a bunch of money... which is BS! If you want a sport to grow, you gotta help in aiding coverage and helping with races, not make it hard to do so!

    I think there should be a poll, how much are you willing to pay for coverage per broadcast:

    US $5
    US $10
    US $15

    US $50 for a season?

    Something like that, Im pretty sure that could work and give at least enough money to pay the camera crew and comentators
     
  24. 'size

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    according to some in this forum, the current uci WC overall champ is a jesus freak. how does this work?
     
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    I'd be $10/event to watch. Same as a movie these days.

    As for Warner, didn't realize how much I liked him until he was gone. Yes, he should clean up a few comments. But I would think the main driver in this is viewing numbers, and I've got to think he is actually good for numbers. He adds to the entertainment value, which keeps some folks coming back. And look at all of us talking about him...he gets attention, isn't that what sponsors want? Just stop the sheep shagging and rape jokes.

    I still want to know the full story on the UCI dropping this...I suspect there are real, practical reasons for it. The UCI can't hate downhilling, and there are some good UCI delegates that will be speaking for the sport. Sure, we're not the Tour de France, but I bet we are one of their fastest growing disciplines.
     
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    :think: wouldn't be so sure of that....
     
  27. SuspectDevice

    SuspectDevice Turbo Monkey

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    I don't care.
    I just want them to buy my sh#t so that I can make a living.

    I post videos on my Facebook page from
    and advocate disembowelment of investment bankers.
    Interestingly enough I sell lots of bikes on Wall Street and sponsor (very fast) evangelical Christians- it's not like my customers care, we're all just stoked on bikes. My demographic is pretty focused and i can target them precisely, that's worth mentioning.

    Last year when we were working closely with ClifBar I had to check myself a little bit though. There was some pushback from management there about some of my most bawdy spew and spiel. That should tell ya something about large brands and their attempt to control their brand image.

    When the third word out of an unintelligible mouth is "rapist" people without context are going to be confused and shocked.
    All of this is a non-issue of course-the jerkoffs in Switzerland are the problem as usual...
     
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    I'd say that the UCI likes skateboarding a lot more than downhill...
     
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    WTF?? :eek: I'm baffled. Why would they not work to get all of their disciplines into the Olympics before they work with something that isn't even a bicycle? Sure, I understand BMX, but not DH, CX, SuperD, DS, etc? Oh, and how about a plank of wood with 4 WHEELS??
     
  30. big-ted

    big-ted Danced with A, attacked by C, fired by D.

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    ^ That's ridiculous.

    In other news, seems like the UCI are up to their old tricks again at Champery. From the Dirt site:

     
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    rocky who?
     
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  34. Gunner

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    HA first thing I thought of too.

    Now all the "Rocky Roads" banners along the DH course make sense.
     
  35. SuspectDevice

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    Bespaar op je ontspanning!

    Exactly.

    What the future holds?
     
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    You're confusing some issues here.

    The fact that Kohut provided good commentary doesn't mean he knows what will work, and what will not, to fund a video coverage. It only means he can provide good commentary.

    If people want Rob Warner to continue doing the commentary, then they should step up with their money -- or shut up.

    The idea of waiting for someone else -- some corporate honcho or team of corporate sycophants -- to step up and fund this is wrong-headed, and ignorant of what's happening in the global economic perspective.

    People... the economy, world-wide, is collapsing. Large businesses are putting their money into short-swing gain (next year), not planning for the long-term (decades out).

    I don't mean to be political here. I mean to be realistic and honest. The dreams of uber-tech Megatop Phoenix, Space-Age Lifestyle being here today, now... fantasy, man. Fantasy. Hang onto your iPhone now, because it's not going to get smaller and more powerful. It's going to become a relic.

    If you want video coverage, cough up some money and pay some people to do it. Don't sit back and complain that "the sport isn't growing enough" or "Warner's commentary alienates conservative people from The Bank of Zurich." Of course it alienates them -- they don't care about DH racing!

    Grow up and take a mature perspective on this tiny sport in a huge sea of sports humans do. It's not gonna "blow up and get huge" like the dot.com bubble of the 80s/90s. It's maxing out right now, along with the global economy.

    Make it happen yourselves -- with your own effort, or your own money, or both.
     
  37. slyfink

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    re rocky roads.... I just went on their website. seems like just text and photo. and I sure hope they can cough up for rea translators (or even english-language journos), caus' running text through google translate doesn't lead to very coherent text:

    "The free fall in the “Hell Zone”, the name of that part of the track, causes problems if rides it in fears with the resulting technical errors. "
     
  38. slyfink

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    you're either a troll, or very young and naive... can't figure out which.

    if you think that pay-per view will cover the cost of the coverage we've received.... well, I don't know how to characterize that.

    publicity pays short-term dividends and big companies know that. and publicity is what will subsidize the coverage. In turn, that coverage is what will allow the sport to grow. How will the sport grow? by adding new members to the sport. If you're and manufacturer, and you invest in marketing and coverage to that the sport may grow, you need the coverage to not be offensive. actually, you want it to be inclusive... hence some people's aversion to Rob in a public forum. I'm sure he's a really great guy and would be fun to hang out with.

    Of course, there are those that may not want to sport to grow, and would rather keep it as a fringe activity, all for themselves... something that makes them unique. me? I'd rather have a bit more money in it, more media, and more coverage. I think it's a great sport to participate in, as well as to watch.

    and btw, Stacy has a pretty keen head for marketing. He's done pretty well for himself via his marketing approach, so I wouldn't dismiss what he has to say as the rantings of some lunatic kid on-line...
     
  39. Pslide

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    Strange bedfellows, RockRoads must have some deep pockets.

    Out of curiosity, what is the UCI TV broadcast like for a DH event? I have never watched it, I don't get a lot of channels as most TV is junk. Is it the same video feed as Freecaster, but with different announcers? Is the Freecaster thing somehow in conflict or stealing from their TV broadcasts?
     
  40. 'size

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    everything is in english on their site for me.