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The futility of the Prius and the end of the world as we know it
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These small changes up to and including replacing your truck with a bicycle are all, at best, temporizing measures.
In the long run we are screwed, and, no, I'm not making reference to the truth that we all die eventually.
About goddamn time, hippie. I thought we were going to have to knit you a Ridemonkey hemp poncho. Instead, due to your depressing post, I'm going to ship you some black eyeliner from our new Gothmonkey Cosmetic Collection.
Also, in light of this revelation, I am having the RM servers relocated from our current wind-farm-powered hut in the midwest to a trailer attached to the back of a V8-powered pickup truck which generates electricity by driving through stop-and-go traffic in Manhattan.
posteriquote is urgently required.
am sorry toshi, but im calling dibs on the reward once you go full unabomber....
and, in prevision of future events , am thinking slapping a 6/71 supercharger on my 68 camaro this year, just for ****s and giggles... thunderdome here i come!
am sorry toshi, but im calling dibs on the reward once you go full unabomber....
and, in prevision of future events , am thinking slapping a 6/71 supercharger on my 68 camaro this year, just for ****s and giggles... thunderdome here i come!
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You haven't heard, Dante is teh
Unabomber now.
insightful rebuttal.
i feel like im reading zerohedge comments. I didn't know monkeys could dream of such doom.
I've pretty much always said that we're just going to have to deal with whatever effects global climate change brings upon us, because people are going to burn up every bit of fossil fuel they can get their hands on. This will entail leveling much of appalachia, drilling in every major wildlife refuge, risky offshore drilling endeavors, major wars to procure oil rights, etc. Can only end in environmental catastrophe.
So, Ive never felt much need to improve my MPG other than as a means of lowering fuel costs. Not saying Im any smarter than Toshi (the man's a doctor), but a tad more cynical from the start is all. Americans are far too selfish to even take care of their own aging parents in a dignified manner... they could give a **** less about "the environment". And the rest of the developing world craves a similar lifestyle.
My advice. Learn to garden and buy a gun. Teach your kids how to operate both. When the sh*t hits the fan, buy all the canned food you can afford, dont waste the money on gas.
So, Ive never felt much need to improve my MPG other than as a means of lowering fuel costs. Not saying Im any smarter than Toshi (the man's a doctor), but a tad more cynical from the start is all. Americans are far too selfish to even take care of their own aging parents in a dignified manner... they could give a **** less about "the environment". And the rest of the developing world craves a similar lifestyle.
My advice. Learn to garden and buy a gun. Teach your kids how to operate both. When the sh*t hits the fan, buy all the canned food you can afford, dont waste the money on gas.
detroit, fvck yeah?
The problem is ever dollar, yen or Euro is basically a monetary unit of energy. If everyone suddenly had access to 60 mpg cars they would simply spend the money saved on fuel on other items that consume energy or other limited resources. There are really only 3 realistic options.
1. Make everyone poor, modern version of subsistence living.
2. Reduce population. Fewer consumers to consume resources. Disease, war, birth control
3. Reduce "lifetime wealth". Earn $100K a year, live like someone earning $50K, save money retire when you are 40 years old.
Personally I like option 3 but the reality is we will be forced at some point into options 1 and 2.
1. Make everyone poor, modern version of subsistence living.
2. Reduce population. Fewer consumers to consume resources. Disease, war, birth control
3. Reduce "lifetime wealth". Earn $100K a year, live like someone earning $50K, save money retire when you are 40 years old.
Personally I like option 3 but the reality is we will be forced at some point into options 1 and 2.
I read it, I agree with it. Species and corporations are by design short of intellect.
someone needs to find the standup piece of george carlin talking about all the atrocities the earth has withstood over the years and how he thinks hippie environmentalists are jackasses for thinking we can destroy it. i would but it's a PITA on my phone. man that guy was funny.
This one:
Recycling is still for hippies!!!!!
i heard that Brian's wife drives her H2 via a coal-fired engine, and the seats are lined with baby Harper seal fur.
I always dreamed that upon winning the lottery I would have a vast mile wide open pit dug, fill it with Gasoline and challenge my brother Mike to somehow light it. I find it difficult to come to terms with the fact that most of my dreams may never be realised. Phugging Cruel Shoes I wear....
I was hoping to purchase the entire city of Norwood Ohio and do it there. Hey its my dream....
Nah when Toshi gives into those "voices" he is more likely to return to his roots and go 911 kamikaze on a Teabagger convention.
Kinda like the Centralia, PA coal mine fire. That one has been burning since 1962.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralia,_Pennsylvania
Film suggestion; Children of Men
Happy days!
Happy days!
In the end, no one gets out alive.
The Game of life is hard to play
I'm going to lose it any way
The final cards I'll someday Lay
So this is all I have to say
(chorus )
That susicide is Painless
It brings on many change
and I can take or leave them if I please
Chicken Little!
meh... i secure my family's future by investing in brass 
hope you have smelting and forging capabilities for when you run out. not to mention a ready source of viable black powder.meh... i secure my family's future by investing in brass
have your children evolved enough to sustain themselves on brass?
Pfft, everyone knows that if you smelt it you dealt it.
Toshi... in The Lounge? Really? 
Oh - and I'd like to formally welcome you to Reality.
Oh - and I'd like to formally welcome you to Reality.
Shhhh....... You’re going to ruin his conservative-gunz-solve-everything-wanna-be-action-hero jerk off fantasy.
PaWN is such a small audience.Toshi... in The Lounge? Really?
Oh - and I'd like to formally welcome you to Reality.
The version for NASIOC's Off-Topic forum really took off, on the other hand: 198 replies and counting.With regard to this "reality" of yours: I like to think through things before I accept them.
Casting lead bullets is dead simple.
I don't blame you. But you'd save yourself a lot of time and energy in the future if you simply listened to me.<snip>
With regard to this "reality" of yours: I like to think through things before I accept them.
this is manimal we're talking about.Casting lead bullets is dead simple.
Here's an interesting related question, tied into the last paragraph of my OP: Are there any places that have a decent intersection of both wind and solar power resource availability that you'd actually deign to live in?
Solar:
Wind:
Places that do ok on both measures: the panhandle of Texas; the non-pretty parts of Wyoming far from Jackson and the Tetons; atop the Rockies up through New Mexico and Colorado; and atop the Sierra Nevadas in the inland empire <shudder>.
Sticking to just high wind availability puts one squarely in flyover country where ranchers still lynch gay people and other such pleasantries. Sticking to just high solar availability necessitates a strong grasp of the Spanish language. Maybe it's better just to live in hydropower-land and trust that the government and power utilities remain solvent enough to keep the turbines in the dams spinning
Solar:
Wind:
Places that do ok on both measures: the panhandle of Texas; the non-pretty parts of Wyoming far from Jackson and the Tetons; atop the Rockies up through New Mexico and Colorado; and atop the Sierra Nevadas in the inland empire <shudder>.
Sticking to just high wind availability puts one squarely in flyover country where ranchers still lynch gay people and other such pleasantries. Sticking to just high solar availability necessitates a strong grasp of the Spanish language. Maybe it's better just to live in hydropower-land and trust that the government and power utilities remain solvent enough to keep the turbines in the dams spinning
Lander, WY? Looks like plenty of sun & wind there.
Denver seems to be in one of those areas as well...