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Tenchiro

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Jul 19, 2002
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Freedom of what?

First Amendment no big deal, students say
Monday, January 31, 2005 Posted: 4:09 PM EST (2109 GMT)


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The way many high school students see it, government censorship of newspapers may not be a bad thing, and flag burning is hardly protected free speech.

It turns out the First Amendment is a second-rate issue to many of those nearing their own adult independence, according to a study of high school attitudes released Monday.

The original amendment to the Constitution is the cornerstone of the way of life in the United States, promising citizens the freedoms of religion, speech, press and assembly.

Yet, when told of the exact text of the First Amendment, more than one in three high school students said it goes "too far" in the rights it guarantees. Only half of the students said newspapers should be allowed to publish freely without government approval of stories.

"These results are not only disturbing; they are dangerous," said Hodding Carter III, president of the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, which sponsored the $1 million study. "Ignorance about the basics of this free society is a danger to our nation's future."

The students are even more restrictive in their views than their elders, the study says.

When asked whether people should be allowed to express unpopular views, 97 percent of teachers and 99 percent of school principals said yes. Only 83 percent of students did.

The results reflected indifference, with almost three in four students saying they took the First Amendment for granted or didn't know how they felt about it. It was also clear that many students do not understand what is protected by the bedrock of the Bill of Rights.

Three in four students said flag burning is illegal. It's not. About half the students said the government can restrict any indecent material on the Internet. It can't.

"Schools don't do enough to teach the First Amendment. Students often don't know the rights it protects," Linda Puntney, executive director of the Journalism Education Association, said in the report. "This all comes at a time when there is decreasing passion for much of anything. And, you have to be passionate about the First Amendment."

The partners in the project, including organizations of newspaper editors and radio and television news directors, share a clear advocacy for First Amendment issues.

Federal and state officials, meanwhile, have bemoaned a lack of knowledge of U.S. civics and history among young people. Sen. Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia, has even pushed through a mandate that schools must teach about the Constitution on September 17, the date it was signed in 1787.

The survey, conducted by researchers at the University of Connecticut, is billed as the largest of its kind. More than 100,000 students, nearly 8,000 teachers and more than 500 administrators at 544 public and private high schools took part in early 2004.

The study suggests that students embrace First Amendment freedoms if they are taught about them and given a chance to practice them, but schools don't make the matter a priority.

Students who take part in school media activities, such as student newspapers or TV production, are much more likely to support expression of unpopular views, for example.

About nine in 10 principals said it is important for all students to learn some journalism skills, but most administrators say a lack of money limits their media offerings.

More than one in five schools offer no student media opportunities; of the high schools that do not offer student newspapers, 40 percent have eliminated them in the last five years.

"The last 15 years have not been a golden era for student media," said Warren Watson, director of the J-Ideas project at Ball State University in Indiana. "Programs are under siege or dying from neglect. Many students do not get the opportunity to practice our basic freedoms."
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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wow. there will be more n8s both on ridemonkey and in real life in the future :(
 

CreeP

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Mar 8, 2002
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um, the responses to this post are a little odd.

fact is, you have to know our rights and responsibilities to exercise them properly.
 

Changleen

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Jan 9, 2004
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BurlyShirley said:
There ought to be limits to freedom.
Burly speaks for the Prez. They should've asked $tinkle. He'd tell them what was up. "There is absolute good, (the US) and absolute Evil (Everyone else, especially Muslims). If you don't love the US, you'd better STFU!"
 

escapeartist

Turbo Monkey
Mar 21, 2004
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As a high school student I would like to take the time to reinforce the fact that not all of us are that mind blowingly stupid
 

jaydee

Monkey
Jul 5, 2001
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Victoria BC
The pendulum swings. It took 30 years to go from having to put up with stupidly naive left-wing adolescents (I know because I was one) to stupidly naive right-wing adolescents. Two guesses as to which is the more dangerous end of the swing.

Luckily, as escapeartist points out, not every kid is out there on the fringe.
 

evilbob

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Mar 17, 2002
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Funny that so many students think this has little importance. These just happen to be about the most outspoken times I can remember. Ultimately what they are saying without realizing is this.........

I have an opinion but I don't think I should be allowed to voice it unless approved of first by those who are in charge.

hhhhhmmmm......... :think: what if those in charge stopped doing what the people wish or need ......I know it often feels that way........ and didn't care? I guess they could just run things forever then good or bad.........after all if it was important people would be able to speak their opinion and share it freely to affect change and progress in a positive manner.

In societies that do not permit open opinions and speech there is a high risk of getting opinionated people incharge (extremist) and sometimes as history shows us, that leads to oppression, genocide, slavery............. things I don't like. I will take some of the irratation that comes from free speech any day over those other things.

At least the way things are I can speakout and by process collectively vote leaders in or out. I may not pick the one who wins, I may not like the one who wins but thats ok, I won't be stuck with a bad pick for the rest of my life.
 

evilbob

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Mar 17, 2002
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jaydee said:
The pendulum swings. It took 30 years to go from having to put up with stupidly naive left-wing adolescents (I know because I was one) to stupidly naive right-wing adolescents. Two guesses as to which is the more dangerous end of the swing.

Luckily, as escapeartist points out, not every kid is out there on the fringe.
Excellent. :thumb: Somewhere in the middle is the balance. Maybe free speech should be allowed and maybe people should learn at all ages to use that freedom with a little more grace and compassion. Difficult though, as most will never learn (realize) a larger perspective than the one they have the most controle over and today take less reponsibility for, the perspective of I/me as the center of all.
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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Perhaps a person needs to experience life with fewer freedoms to appreciate which ones are given to them, simply as a birthright.

I thought I was a great anti-patriot in highschool, because I disagreed with the idea that our nation and many of its laws are based on what I perceived as a patriarchal religion that I did not identify with. It wasn't until I traveled some, and learned about others around the world, and their life, that I realized what we have here...even the ability to change what we disagree with and influence the political spectrum if willing to donate our life and time to the causes we are passionate about.
 

MikeD

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Oct 26, 2001
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jaydee said:
The pendulum swings. It took 30 years to go from having to put up with stupidly naive left-wing adolescents (I know because I was one) to stupidly naive right-wing adolescents. .
These kids aren't really right-wing, they're just ignorant, and in this ignorance, will just accept authority. Being right-wing means that you have, at the very least, some political consciousness. The interviewed students just seem to be too disinterested to really form an opinion. I'm sure if you asked them about Paris Hilton or a reality TV show, they'd regurgitate information in spades.

The funny thing about it, is that somehow "right-wing" has come to represent a curtailing of individual liberties, a subjugation of them to the group's welfare, when in fact, orthodox right-wingness should emphasize individual liberties over all else (including safety or propriety).

The politcial spectrum is a circle. It has poles of anarchy and totalitarianism. Go too far in either direction and you end up at the same place.

MD
 

Changleen

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Jan 9, 2004
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This story is getting a lot of airtime in NZ. People seem to think it's pretty funny, but also scary and dumb. The radio DJ I listen to in the morning was increadulous. He was just like "What? what? How? Did they understand the question? What's gonna happen when these people grow up?"
 

evilbob

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Mar 17, 2002
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Changleen said:
What's gonna happen when these people grow up?"
Pretty much nothing, no impact. As it is today it will be in the near future. These people will grow up not understanding how lucky they are to have a voice and the responsibility of that good luck. A very large percentage will never even vote because they believe as individuals they are insignificant within the process. Because of this belief most of them will spend their lives complaining about how unfair and unrealistic their leaders are. Rule or be ruled, that's the way it is, I feel fortunate I live in a society where in some small part I have a voice (as do others) which collectively makes a blend of toleration that allows us to generally live comfortably and continue to have progressive opportunities. I have a small voice in a chorus of many, sometimes I sing bad, some time we all do, but we all can sing together and that is the important part.
 

ZoRo

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Sep 28, 2004
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dirtjumpP.1 said:
ignorance is the best policy. You Ignoranus
But can you ignore yourself? Can you ignore that the new biopowers regulating our world are thriving on self-purpose individualism to maintain their dominance over us. They don't want us to think, they already do it for us; Fast-food, precooked, all-in-one-->no more place for imagination just alienation throughtout ignorance!
 

TheInedibleHulk

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May 26, 2004
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ZoRo said:
But can you ignore yourself? Can you ignore that the new biopowers regulating our world are thriving on self-purpose individualism to maintain their dominance over us. They don't want us to think, they already do it for us; Fast-food, precooked, all-in-one-->no more place for imagination just alienation throughtout ignorance!
Easy there slugger, you need to learn about e-sarcasm. I dont eat fast food.