[Rabie]

hope can someone teach art?? Do you have to be gay

I teach art history now. And at any rate, this thread isn't supposed to be about me, so getting things back on topic, you know what's really gay?


Pegboy.

 

[scottishmark]

i'm too good to you lot sometimes! thieved from www.descent-world.co.uk

 

[Funky Monk]

Holy hell that bike is beautiful. Performance must be pretty tits too...hopefully the derailleur can soon be considered obsolete. I want.

 

[math2014]

This is a bike that for the first time lives up to its price tag.... theoritically speaking.

 

[binary visions]

I still think the chain running next to the rotor is asking for trouble...

 

[UiUiUiUi]

I still think the chain running next to the rotor is asking for trouble...

what he said.

anyways, according to karl on eurobike there will a distance thingy to keep the chain away from the rotor on the produktion bikes.

and i have to admit, except for some gussetsand stuff which is typical for nicolai i like that frame

 

[ChrisRobin]

The chain won't fall off...

As long as everything is adjusted properly nothing should happen. I've never had a chaing fall off my Nucleon with the single cog in the back. Granted it's the non-disc side but still...

 

[binary visions]

The chain won't fall off...

As long as everything is adjusted properly nothing should happen. I've never had a chaing fall off my Nucleon with the single cog in the back. Granted it's the non-disc side but still...

Of course the chain won't fall off, but you have to keep your chain lubed, right?

Lube + disc rotor =

Not to mention the crap that can accumulate on the chain to get flung onto the rotor.

 

[ChrisRobin]

Bah...just keep the chain dry. If you can afford that frame you can afford a nice new chain for every ride.

 

[Funky Monk]

well, it would be pretty lame after all that r&d put into that frame just to find out that the rear brake doesn't work properly...I can't either see how all the crap could be prevented from getting to the rotor... I can already imagine Karl recalling the frames sold: "we're only human you know..."

 

[Funky Monk]

well well, go check this out:

Nucleon TFR

Seems like the problem is solved on the TFR model...

 

[BMXman]

most of the chain in not exposed so I doubt the chain will accumulate a lot of crap and as I said before in previous psots if you are maintaining you bike properly it's really a non-issue....jeez a bike company does something a little different and it gets made into a huge issue

 

[Funky Monk]

most of the chain in not exposed so I doubt the chain will accumulate a lot of crap

Exposed as in visible? On the TFR it isn't, on the TFT, however, it is. I thought the problem was the crap (accurate scientific term) getting to the rotor from the chain, not vice versa...

It gets made into a huge issue if my thick head doesn't get it

 

[binary visions]

most of the chain in not exposed so I doubt the chain will accumulate a lot of crap and as I said before in previous psots if you are maintaining you bike properly it's really a non-issue....jeez a bike company does something a little different and it gets made into a huge issue

I can see the whole chain.. what bike are you looking at?

I use wet lube on my chain.. That means that the lube gets flung around.. I'd just hate to have to replace my contaminated brake pads every week and/or find myself with no braking power all of a sudden.

I'm not making a huge deal about it, just offering commentary. I doubt it'd be that hard to make a guard of some kind.

 

[BMXman]

It gets made into a huge issue if my thick head doesn't get it

yeah that happens to me quite a bit as well

 

[BMXman]

I can see the whole chain.. what bike are you looking at?

I use wet lube on my chain.. That means that the lube gets flung around.. I'd just hate to have to replace my contaminated brake pads every week and/or find myself with no braking power all of a sudden.

I'm not making a huge deal about it, just offering commentary. I doubt it'd be that hard to make a guard of some kind.

hmm... my guess is you're using too much lube...all I'm saying is wait until you actually get some feedback from someone who actually owns the frame....but then again that's what these boards are for

 

[Guess?Who]

Someone donate the frame to me and I'll let you know if there is a proplem w/ the chain and rotor on the same side. I use White Lighting Chain lube and it's forms a wax on the chain. I don't think it would gloop all over. AT ALL!

 

[atrokz]

Um, Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasnt it been stated that there will be a guard on production models to ease some peoples minds? Geeze, drop the irelivant topic.

Also, Lube never 'flys' off my chain. I'm a mechanic, I know how to use the suff. I've also had the same chain all season.

 

[atrokz]

here, this may help some of you

Q. When I lube my chain, it gets covered with grime. When I don't, it squeaks!

A. Craig Stikman Glaspell: You're putting on too much lube, and it's attracting grit like metal to a magnet. My wife, Leigh Donovan (a former downhiller for Schwinn), puts way too much lube on her chain. She'll come back from a ride and it's not even a chain anymore--it's a tube of grease and dirt.

Nothing is more important than lubing your chain, but don't overdo it. Lube the internal parts of the chain--the pins and rollers. The outside plates should be nearly dry so the chain won't attract as much dirt. The best way to get lube into a chain's guts is to apply lube only to the inside of the chain--the side that comes in contact with the rings and cogs.

Stik's 5 Best Lube Tips
1. Lube 10-15 minutes before a ride.
2. Use drip instead of spray: It's easier to apply evenly and has less chance of squirting places it shouldn't go (such as the rims).
3. Apply drip lube in a steady stream on the lower loop of the chain between the rear derailleur and the crank.
4. As soon as you finish applying lube, backpedal the cranks for a minute to work it in. Don't just let the chain sit--lube will drip away.
5. Continue backpedaling as you encircle the chain with a rag and wipe off the excess.

From August 2001 Bicycling magazine

 

[binary visions]

La la la la... Yes, you shouldn't have a pound of chain lube on. Yes, you should wipe off the excess lube right away. But it really doesn't take very much to contaminate brake pads, and it's pretty rediculous that the basic functionality of your rear brake should be entirely reliant on your ability to judge exactly how much chain lube you should be using.

Anyway, it's all academic - who knows if the production models will have a guard or something to keep it from happening. I just don't think it's the greatest idea in the world. Cripes, a lot of people get pretty defensive at simple comments.

 

[atrokz]

it's not 'getting devensive' by any means.

It's just that after the company itself clearly states that 'there will be a guard', the comment should be droped.

 

[Rik]

Companies say that their suspension designs are the bestest in the world, does that mean we should stop discussing the issue of suspension designs?
A guard sounds like a bit of bandaid solution...
What if they mounted the disc on the mainframe? Less unsuspended weight, it could be a selling point.
Every bike comes with a free calf branding

 

[atrokz]

redundant













After owning several Nicolai's, I see it highly unlikely that the problem has not been sat down, thought out, and corrected. Nicolai's creations always seem to perform without mechanical flaw.

 

[Funky Monk]

What I don't get is why didn't they just design it putting the rear brake on the right side (like on the Nucleon TFR)?

What are the advantages of the left side system compared to the right side correspondent?

 

[UiUiUiUi]

What I don't get is why didn't they just design it putting the rear brake on the right side (like on the Nucleon TFR)?

What are the advantages of the left side system compared to the right side correspondent?

ah sorry the TFR had the brake on the wrong side!
all disc brakes for MTB are on what usually is the NON driveside

this bike actually has the brake on the correct side, but the drivetrain is on the wrong side.
this due to the Rohloff speedhub in that G-boxx frame.
if karl wanted to get the chain on the "right" side he would have to redesign the whole gearbox... and obviously that was not what he wanted to do.

 

[atrokz]

ah sorry the TFR had the brake on the wrong side!
all disc brakes for MTB are on what usually is the NON driveside

this bike actually has the brake on the correct side, but the drivetrain is on the wrong side.
this due to the Rohloff speedhub in that G-boxx frame.
if karl wanted to get the chain on the "right" side he would have to redesign the whole gearbox... and obviously that was not what he wanted to do.

That would be the right answer if you ask me.

 

[Funky Monk]

ah sorry the TFR had the brake on the wrong side!
all disc brakes for MTB are on what usually is the NON driveside

this bike actually has the brake on the correct side, but the drivetrain is on the wrong side.
this due to the Rohloff speedhub in that G-boxx frame.
if karl wanted to get the chain on the "right" side he would have to redesign the whole gearbox... and obviously that was not what he wanted to do.

I meant on the right side as in right and left, not right and wrong..

If you use a rohloff on a regular frame, drivetrain is still on right side from the rider's view. Then why reverse the system on the g-boxx?

I believe it has something to do with the rear wheel mounting... when you put the chain and rotor on the same side on the TFR, you can dismount the wheel without taking the chain off, thus making it more of a compact design, and easier and quicker to use...

I might be talking out of my ass here though

 

[atrokz]

well, there are no calipers that can be right side mounted. If you ask me it might have something to do with the way they react to braking forces. ala' all those broken Hayes calipers from trials induced backwards forces. someone correct me if I'm wrong. so having a brake company produce a right side caliper would be very expensive, not to mention limiting a riders choices, seing getting every brake maker to do the same would be an impossible feat.

With regards to the chain side, from my understanding, it's the lightest and least complicated way to implement the G-Boxx. So it becomes a ballance of 'what should be done' with 'what can be done'. It also allows the use of that ingenious hub.

As far as any problem be ascociated with having the two together, the bike has been tested sans guard at Mega Avalance races, and by Mags without any flaw. So, with a guard implemented, I'll make a strong guess that there will be no contact between the two. I mean, it's a device that physicaly divides the space between the two objects, and last time I checked oil can't pass through aluminum.