The politics of friendship
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Shheet, now you see that is funny and I don't think it's racist but I could be wrong...Echo said:
Delivery my boy, work on your delivery.fluff said:
Asking if someone is ok with racist humor and not expanding on it to explain what comparison you are trying to draw until a few pages of posts later doesn't work. At least not for me. Concentrate on adjusting your style. Make your posts work for me.
Sexist humour? Whores are whores.
It did make the last 20 minutes of my workday pretty entertaining though 
Well Ohio's pretty smart so I thought I could take the easy route, use my posting technique for the smarter surfer. I note that OMGF got it too...:devil:H8R said:
That was my assumption, but I didn't want to start writing out a whole argument when I may have actually missed something...Old Man G Funk said:
I'm okay with racIAL humor... tends to be more cultural than racial anyway. I'm not okay with racIST humor. Culture = behavior, race = innate physical feature. Behavior, for the most part, is something we choose and have control over.
I'm also not okay with sexIST humor for the same reason, humor that for whatever reason defines women as innately inferior. I am okay with sexUAL humor that makes fun of the differences in behavior between men and women. In this case, we're not even talking about the difference between men and women, we're discussing the chosen behavior of a single person. I would just as much make fun of a promiscuous guy about his unit wearing-out/melting/rotting/falling-off.
Tangent, but an interesting grey area is overweight people... since it's not really clear whether it is an innate physical feature or a behavior issue. Inasmuch as it's behavior driven, I'm happy to make fun it. Example: it is funny to make fun of the 400 dude shoving 6 big macs, 3 large fries down his throat, and washing it down with a diet coke.
Back to hotdogs and hallways are we?Changleen said:
I'm with ya Fluff. But on a board predominantly filled with competitive males yutes, pointing out sexism is near futile. Using n!gger will start a sh!tstorm, but use b!tch [the sexist equivalent] and no one bats an eye.
Hmmm ... futile discussion is what the PD Forum is all about though, eh?
ohio said:
so, are rac"ial" slurs ok, but rac"ist" slurs over the line? What seperates a slur from a joke? I guess only those who find it funny.
BuddhaRoadkill said:Back to hotdogs and hallways are we?
I'm with ya Fluff. But on a board predominantly filled with competitive males yutes, pointing out sexism is near futile. Using n!gger will start a sh!tstorm, but use b!tch [the sexist equivalent] and no one bats an eye.
Hmmm ... futile discussion is what the PD Forum is all about though, eh?
"What's wrong with being sexy?"
A slur by definition is racist. Depending on context, some are worse than others and if it's not the focus of the joke, I tolerate them. If the slur IS the joke, I don't find it very funny.BurlyShirley said:
What seperates a slur from a joke? I guess only those who find it funny.
And Buddha, while b!tch is not the most savory word, it is NOT the same as n!gger.
No. Slur, by definition meansohio said:
Its the term "racial" which makes it apply to race.
Its odd to me that you say "racial" tends to be more cultural. And I would find that jokes about someone features, which there is no denying, would not be asinsulting.
As compared to stereotypes about ones culture and people's behavior. For instance, if I say "Black people have dark skin" ..well, that is just true. If I say, "Black people are all criminals" well...
My own definition of the difference between racial and racist. I wouldn't expect that's universal... I'm saying a racial slur by definition is racist because you're talking disparagingly specifically about someone's race. But you can have racial humor that isn't racist.BurlyShirley said:
If you say that your ascribing an innate feature to people because of the color of their skin. That is, they are criminals because they are black.BurlyShirley said:
That's not what I meant by behavior or a cultural feature. Chris Rock's "black vs. niggers" routine for example, pushed the limits and was racially focused, but was about behavior not skin color. Admittedly, it would have been awfully hard for a white comedian to pull off, which is why I said there's a lot of context to it.
However, if the punchline of a joke is that your wife is sleeping with a black man, and he's black for no other reason than it makes the joke more "outrageous", that to me is racist and not funny.
Dude, you're making this too dificult.ohio said:
You could just say that if you're correlating their stereotypes with genetics, than its wrong and unfunny.
Wait, so a positive statement cant be racism?Changleen said:
A start to what?Changleen said:
Eliminating the whole "race" conversation?
I mean, we are technically one human race, but there are differences in the 'races' around the world. For instance, Kenyans and Eskimos ARE quite different. Eskimos dont often win marathons. Kenyans dont do so well in the cold Im told. This is "diversity" so should we not embrace it?
Race is such a hoax of a concept. I found this. Pretty trippy.H8R said:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/people/mixedtwins.asp
We've all seen the goatse man, thanks...H8R said:
Want to bet the father's first words after delivery were, "I want a DNA test!"valve bouncer said:
Not only did she cheat she did it with 2 different blokes.Silver said:
I've heard that Afrikaaners have on average 10% African blood so it wasn't unheard of for a dark-skinned baby to be born to white parents during the days of apartheid.
I'm sure that just thrilled the grandparents...valve bouncer said:Not only did she cheat she did it with 2 different blokes.
I've heard that Afrikaaners have on average 10% African blood so it wasn't unheard of for a dark-skinned baby to be born to white parents during the days of apartheid.
Served the bastards right.
(The South Africans, not the couple in the Snopes thing.)
Was probably taken out and left for the jackals. In Zimbabwe I met an albino Shona. I wonder how that would have worked in Sarth Efrica.Silver said:I'm sure that just thrilled the grandparents...
Served the bastards right.
(The South Africans, not the couple in the Snopes thing.)
valve bouncer said:
Given the why that black, white and brown ALLwork in that rather unhappy continent.
He would have had a hard time from everyone but his family.
Detailed below are the relevant posts (that comment on either person involved). The girl in question was unaware of her boyfriends dangerous sexual habits, had an apparently monogamous relationship with him for 2 years and dumped him when she found out. She is also smart enough to get tested for STDs. In this thread she has been equated to a disease ridden ho, a skank, a 2 penny whore, having been passed around a bit and being wide enough to drive a semi in there. She is also apparently hot.ohio said:
The Amishs friend by comparison is advised to check his junk before it falls off, in one post.
So here behaviour is no worse than his, yet she gets the slagging.
Fair enough it is The Amish who is doing most of the slagging but you can see why I picked up on the double standard, after all it is still prevalent in our culture to see a man who has many conquests as a stud (e.g. Valentino, Errol Flynn) yet a woman with a lot of partners as loose/sluttish.
I was not accusing you of being sexist, I was querying the whole concept, you chose to jump in and tell me to chill. Your subsequent justification is a very fine line.
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The relevant statements summary:
post 1 - The Amish
" I know that girl, She broke up with her last boyfriend of 2 yr's because she found out that not only is he bi-sexual, hes a male prostitute and had been having sex with men for money the whole time"
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Wait a bit to tell him cause he was a shady **** for stealing his buddy's girl even if she was a disease ridden ho
post 10 - H8r
"Hey, I won't tell you where I heard, but that chick is a skank by proxy. Her X was a prostitute. I don't care if you wore 6 condoms at once and boiled her before you f8cked her, we're taking you to the clinic."
post 12 Jimmydean
"Dude, you should have your junk checked before it falls off..." Should do the trick.
post 25 - The Amish
So I told him and after the initial freakout over the male prostitute thing he was like "Whatever dude, she said she gets tested all the time"
What kind of 2 penny whore needs to get tested all the time?
post 29- The Amish
All Im sayin is do you really want to get with a girl who feels she needs to be tested all the time. ****s prolly wide enough to drive a semi in there
post 32- The Amish
Oh Ive Felt the need to be tested a few times. Who hasent woke up next to someone they didnt remember goin to bed with and been a little scared. Still though, A chic that feels she needs to be tested all the time..........That girls been passed around a bit, best stay away
A "positive" statement can be racist. Note the scare quotes, because the statement ceases to be positive when applied in a racist manner.BurlyShirley said:
Look at the example of the Jews. Normally, it would be a positive statement to say that one is good with money. When this "positive" statement is applied to the Jews, however, it carries a racist, negative connotation.
Or, the statement, "All blacks are good at basketball." While being good at something is usually considered a positive statement, this statement carries a negative, racist connotation.
Oh I know the dude very well. I knew this story before Amish posted it.The Amish said:Dont go pretending like you you dont know him
I fully disagree. You CAN compliment an entire race. Why would that be a bad thing?Old Man G Funk said:
"Black people are great" would be cool right?
So why not "Black people are great athletes"?
or "Asians sure are hard workers" ... that's bad?
...you've been brainwashed.
Hold up, he didn't say you cannot be positive, he said you can be racist with a positive statement. That's not the same thing.BurlyShirley said:
Like Fluff said...You asked if a positive statement can be racist, I gave some examples, which doesn't mean that you can't make non-racist positive statements.BurlyShirley said:
"Black people are great athletes" seems like a positive statement, but what if you are the black guy who isn't a great athlete? There are lots of them out there. Or, what about when that engenders some sort of feeling that blacks should be athletes because they can't be intellectuals? If you don't think some people have that view, then you are the brainwashed one.
It's the same with the Asians comment.
The "black people are great athletes" arguement also suggests that black people are great athletes only because they were born black not because they worked their arses off to get where they are.Old Man G Funk said: