The Post Presidential Debate Spin is IN!
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It depends on what the definition of is is 
www.factcheck.org has a rather good unbiased article about it.
I think Kerry's Global Test phrase will come back to haunt him later on...
Personally I though Bush would have been better at debating... hes so manipulative but his tactics were very steadfast... in the end of the debate they were failing him and he still stuck with them when he shouldn't have. Kerry on the other hand I think did better in the latter parts of the debate he would attack and bush wouldnt really defend, he just kind of repeated himself. I do thin that bush had an edge in the beginning though, I thought he had some strong arguments but he didnt follow through with them correctly and his stradegy didnt roll with the "punches" that were being delivered.
All in all I think Kerry came out on top, but not by much.
All in all I think Kerry came out on top, but not by much.
I think the debate didn't hurt Bush but helped Kerry. It has been said that Bush was drained after a day of visiting hurricane victims makes sense since he looked a little tired. But Kerry did change opinions several times last night and didnt' seem to answer the "you voted this way, but now it's different" charges.
All in all I think it is pretty easy for Kerry to play arm chair quarterback now, while Bush has to stick behind his choices good or bad. Hindsight is 20/20.
All in all I think it is pretty easy for Kerry to play arm chair quarterback now, while Bush has to stick behind his choices good or bad. Hindsight is 20/20.
I felt Bush was strong at the start and then slowly lost ground to Kerry. Bush is not a smoothe talker so I think it is really difficult for him to win a debate unless the other person completely screws the pooch. However I feel he speaks with simplicity & conviction and that alone will make him come out as the winner for a lot of the public whom still have a negativity towards the "slick willy" type talkers of which Kerry is one. Luckily for Kerry he got out of that mode after about the first 30 minutes and started talking instead of speeching. I did wince when Kerry mentioned Vietnam and being a military figure.......he really needs to distance himself from the things that have hurt him the most in his campaign. Overall it seemed like a stalemate to me. I don't think these debates really matter that much anyhow, people's minds are set and the change in poll numbers will be minute.
Hawkeye said:
That is exactly right. It's a tough call to make decisions on the fly and much easier to sit back and complain after the fact.
I disagree. I know a lot of people who are on the fence for this one, and these are the types of people who know little about the issues and vote mainly on political ads and what they hear on pop radio morning shows.zod said:
I thought he did answer them? Did he not say, something like, "my position has never changed, I said we should go in under certain conditions that Bush said he would meet... bush never met those conditions when he invaded" (not an exact quote, but you get the idea)Hawkeye said:
I think Kerry showed that he does have balls. He may have been vague early on but after a while Bush had no argument. He always says the same shyt "stay the course, we must be firm yada fukin yada.
The clincher for me was when kerry said he would put a stop to our nuke program. He was 100% on when he said you can't expect others not to produce nukes while we are. Lead by example. Bush was like aaaaahhhhhh, aaaaaahhhhh God loves us.
The clincher for me was when kerry said he would put a stop to our nuke program. He was 100% on when he said you can't expect others not to produce nukes while we are. Lead by example. Bush was like aaaaahhhhhh, aaaaaahhhhh God loves us.
Yes, he said to the effect - Hussein was a threat but he was not dealt with the right way.golgiaparatus said:
Republicans have flipped this around to make Kerry seem like he thinks the war is a mistake (bad for the troops to hear this, etc) - when he thinks the way it is being handled is a mistake.
I think most people can agree with Kerry on that point.
Lexx D said:
He did make a point that we have a "robust" missle program, and will continue to develop it if he stays in office.
Uh......why?
I swear that Cheney must have had a mic into Bush's earpiece, hence the LONNNG pauses before the lame answers.
I think the mic might have failed occasionally too, because it seemed like Bush was especially retarded in his comebacks at certain points.
My personal favorite was when kerry said Osama attacked us not saddam. Bush goes "I know that. I know that Osama attacked us. You think i don't know that?" He was all pissy "I know that" i was laughing my a$$ off. All day long i keep saying it "I know That"bomberz1qr20 said:
That is pretty weak if all the repubs can come up with is "Kerry DID say that bush Lied"
How abuot the fact that Bush is WRONG and will never admit he made mistakes, and continues down a path everyone ELSE knows is the wrong one.
OK... Kerry lied about using the word "lied". Bush lied about a LOT worse.
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How abuot the fact that Bush is WRONG and will never admit he made mistakes, and continues down a path everyone ELSE knows is the wrong one.
OK... Kerry lied about using the word "lied". Bush lied about a LOT worse.
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well according to abc polls with registered voters 45 percent were for kerry vs bushs 37 percent as to who did better in the debate.
i thik right off the bat kerry made a good point that bush has made no effort to make ammends or ask for help from the UN. even though we are the richest country even we need help every once in a while. i think bush is aware that he will not get help from the un since he moved in without them being on board. therefore if the request got turned down it would prove the error of his ways in going to war in the first place.
i thik right off the bat kerry made a good point that bush has made no effort to make ammends or ask for help from the UN. even though we are the richest country even we need help every once in a while. i think bush is aware that he will not get help from the un since he moved in without them being on board. therefore if the request got turned down it would prove the error of his ways in going to war in the first place.
ohio said:
What he probably ment was "...didn't hurt Bush but helped reignite the demoralized Kerry base..."
barbara bush's outer-bushie is white.
I don't feel Bush knows where he's going. His plan for a new mandat is pretty much the same thing he's done in the past 4 years. That isn't good news IMO.
On the other hand, Kerry does seem to be looking forward. He did acknowledge that it's important that the US must regain the respect from the other nations. His position on nuclear weapons seemed quite strong and well thought also.
Other related thought about the debate:
- Kerry is able to speak and make complete sentences. Bush is not.
- Kerry was not hesitating all the time like Bush.
- Kerry seems to know much more about the world than Bush. He was quite eloquent on pretty much all the subjects. Such prestance is very important for the US president. It's important for all political leaders as a matter of fact, but is usually lacking.
- Kerry pronounce "Nuclear" while Bush pronounce "Nucular". Homer Simpson pronounce "Nucular" too.
IMO, Kerry was the big winner of the debate, which was quite good by the way. I'd like to see the Canadian debates as interesting as this one.
On the other hand, Kerry does seem to be looking forward. He did acknowledge that it's important that the US must regain the respect from the other nations. His position on nuclear weapons seemed quite strong and well thought also.
Other related thought about the debate:
- Kerry is able to speak and make complete sentences. Bush is not.
- Kerry was not hesitating all the time like Bush.
- Kerry seems to know much more about the world than Bush. He was quite eloquent on pretty much all the subjects. Such prestance is very important for the US president. It's important for all political leaders as a matter of fact, but is usually lacking.
- Kerry pronounce "Nuclear" while Bush pronounce "Nucular". Homer Simpson pronounce "Nucular" too.
IMO, Kerry was the big winner of the debate, which was quite good by the way. I'd like to see the Canadian debates as interesting as this one.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-10/03/content_2048764.htm
while i can't reconcile in my head that 49 percent would vote for kerry yet only 48 percent do not want to see bush re-elected the numbers still stand.