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The push for reparations grows....

sanjuro

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Should the US govt be made responsible for reparations? No way.

Do I care if slave trading families are sued? Since Asian-Americans never owned any slaves, I could care less.
 

reflux

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kinda racist there
Reparations are to African Americans what estate tax cuts are to white people.

Okay, it is a bad, very bad analogy. However, the one thing they do have in common is that neither one will solve any problems.
 

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Seems to me it's a bit late for this. After all, let's do a quick show of hands - Who here has been enslaved? Oh no-one? OK then...
 

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Changleen said:
Seems to me it's a bit late for this. After all, let's do a quick show of hands - Who here has been enslaved? Oh no-one? OK then...
However, the societal effects of slavery will contine to haunt the African American population for decades to come. To say that the racial problems associated with slavery disappeared after World War II, would be slightly incorrect, to say the least.
 

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reflux said:
However, the societal effects of slavery will contine to haunt the African American population for decades to come. To say that the racial problems associated with slavery disappeared after World War II, would be slightly incorrect, to say the least.
I hope we are going to throw some money to the descendents of coolies.

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reflux said:
However, the societal effects of slavery will contine to haunt the African American population for decades to come. To say that the racial problems associated with slavery disappeared after World War II, would be slightly incorrect, to say the least.
And a one-off payout will solve all that? I think if any cash is going to be thrown around it'd be much better directed at stuff like improving the quality of education in deprived areas and so on.
 

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reflux said:
However, the societal effects of slavery will contine to haunt the African American population for decades to come. To say that the racial problems associated with slavery disappeared after World War II, would be slightly incorrect, to say the least.
C'mon this is America. If black people can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps and be independently successful due to hard work and know how (like our President, for example) that's their own fault.
 

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Changleen said:
And a one-off payout will solve all that? I think if any cash is going to be thrown around it'd be much better directed at stuff like improving the quality of education in deprived areas and so on.
I agree with you completely in this regard: a one-time payout would do nothing to solve the problem. Actually, I think it would make the problem worse in that your normal white racist would spite the black man for having gotten something for free.
 

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i'd be all for it if the money could ONLY be used to pay off debt that would ultimately lead to non-government assisted living. the problem in my area is that if reparations occurs there will be a whole crapload of escalades with 24" rims rolling around...but still the same longterm outlook. :rolleyes:

if you think i'm being ignorant, try working off-duty as security at a pawn shop during tax season. an average tax refund check from the "hood" is around $3-5k, cashed at the pawn shop for a 5% fee then spent completely on jewelry. if that money was properly applied, every one of those recipients of a tax refund could be on their own feet supporting themselves within two years.

it really pisses me off to see unearned money thrown away on worthless crap...i mean, they could at least by a nice DH bike ;)

oh yeah...slightly off topic. how the hell does one collect disability and is still able to run from the police on a weekly basis? :mad:
 

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manimal said:
i'd be all for it if the money could ONLY be used to pay off debt that would ultimately lead to non-government assisted living. the problem in my area is that if reparations occurs there will be a whole crapload of escalades with 24" rims rolling around...but still the same longterm outlook. :rolleyes:
Well they are black you know.

That's what black people do.

manimal said:
if you think i'm being ignorant, try working off-duty as security at a pawn shop during tax season. an average tax refund check from the "hood" is around $3-5k, cashed at the pawn shop for a 5% fee then spent completely on jewelry. if that money was properly applied, every one of those recipients of a tax refund could be on their own feet supporting themselves within two years.
We'll they're not smart like white people. White people never spend money on frivolous things. And white people always act in their own best interest. Because they're white.
 

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kidwoo said:
Well they are black you know.

That's what black people do.

We'll they're not smart like white people. White people never spend money on frivolous things. And white people always act in their own best interest. Because they're white.
I think it is probably poor people in general.

Or we might ask Manimal what was the percentages, black/white/latino/asian?
 

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sanjuro said:
I think it is probably poor people in general.

Or we might ask Manimal what was the percentages, black/white/latino/asian?
more likely that.

whites get their earnhardt golden bust and fancy guns, blacks get their 24in rims and subwoofers, latinos get lowering springs and huge ass adorned flags, and asians get alienware computers and lots of porn... its all fair...
 

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ALEXIS_DH said:
more likely that.

whites get their earnhardt golden bust and fancy guns, blacks get their 24in rims and subwoofers, latinos get lowering springs and huge ass adorned flags, and asians get alienware computers and lots of porn... its all fair...
That's racist. I own a Dell and I didn't know I could get porn on the computer. I guess I won't be RM anymore
 

manimal

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kidwoo said:
We'll they're not smart like white people. White people never spend money on frivolous things. And white people always act in their own best interest. Because they're white.

the point is, if we're going to give money away for something that no one in recent generations had anything to do with (i'm american indian by bloodline but look rather scottish so i'm lumped in with the "honkey" catchphrase) then we better be providing mandatory financial responsibility classes. yes, every race and class spend money on different and frivolous things but a large percentage of those hoping for reparations to occur are in the above described category. lack of financial education in our public school system is one problem that, if fixed, could provide a direct link to a better future for our nation. yet another handout without parameters will only further the racial tensions and disparity.

what kind of reparations did my people get? some land and casinos?

i simply hate the victim mentality. no one OWES anyone anything this day and age.
 

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manimal said:
i simply hate the victim mentality. no one OWES anyone anything this day and age.
I agree with you there.

Actually you might have a better case than the darkies.

See if you can work the native angle. Some more I mean.

How come you always look like you could get a sunburn in your pics?


Anyway.......your experience with people doing dumb things in a pawn shop somehow having a direct corellation to defining the angst of a good part of our population and thinking that's somehow representative of anything relevant is odd. Deadbeats occur accross the racial spectrum.

And yes handouts are stupid. But so are your assumptions about how such a handout might be used just because we're talking about the group in question. You make an assumption about the financial outlook of an entire race that's very well assimilated into this culture. Like you've never seen little brat white kids blowing money on stupid sh1t when given a similar handout.

Like sanjuro said......what you're describing is a poor thing, not a black thing. (which I wouldn't understand anyway, cuz you know....)
 

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compare the average african-american to the average african... who's living the better life?

Yeah, I said it.
 

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kidwoo said:
Like sanjuro said......what you're describing is a poor thing, not a black thing. (which I wouldn't understand anyway, cuz you know....)
But they aren't talking about giving reparations to poor people in general just the african american ones. Taking that into consideration you are in affect agreeing with Manimal.
 

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But they aren't talking about giving reparations to poor people in general just the african american ones. Taking that into consideration you are in affect agreeing with Manimal.
No.

I'm poking at the assumption that a handout would go towards cadillacs and whatever else them there people buy as if wasting money is somehow particular to the group in question.........and more importantly is the obvious conclusion based on working in a pawn shop where the ENTIRE demographic is of course, represented in its entirety.

Edit: I can see you're point, but I'm 3 beers deep and it's going to blows before I admit anything of the sort.
 

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LordOpie said:
compare the average african-american to the average african... who's living the better life?

Yeah, I said it.
That's stupid. Africa was invaded by the "Colonial" powers. Look up Belgium Congo, and don't forget about the Afrikaaners.
 

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manimal said:
the point is, if we're going to give money away for something that no one in recent generations had anything to do with (i'm american indian by bloodline but look rather scottish so i'm lumped in with the "honkey" catchphrase) then we better be providing mandatory financial responsibility classes. yes, every race and class spend money on different and frivolous things but a large percentage of those hoping for reparations to occur are in the above described category. lack of financial education in our public school system is one problem that, if fixed, could provide a direct link to a better future for our nation. yet another handout without parameters will only further the racial tensions and disparity.

what kind of reparations did my people get? some land and casinos?

i simply hate the victim mentality. no one OWES anyone anything this day and age.
I also agree. I am not against spending more money on underprivileged African Americans. Just look at the inner cities and their problems.

But handing out fat checks will just be a waste.

Is anyone here for that?
 

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sanjuro said:
That's stupid. Africa was invaded by the "Colonial" powers. Look up Belgium Congo, and don't forget about the Afrikaaners.
Yeah, and it was sh!ttier before then than it is now.
 

BurlyShirley

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sanjuro said:
I also agree. I am not against spending more money on underprivileged African Americans. Just look at the inner cities and their problems.

But handing out fat checks will just be a waste.

Is anyone here for that?
Well if Manimal can pass for an indian, then I can pass for black, and if I can pass for black then there might be a chance I get some cash. So im all for it.
 

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kidwoo said:
No.

I'm poking at the assumption that a handout would go towards cadillacs and whatever else them there people buy as if wasting money is somehow particular to the group in question.........and more importantly is the obvious conclusion based on working in a pawn shop where the ENTIRE demographic is of course, represented in its entirety.

Edit: I can see you're point, but I'm 3 beers deep and it's going to blows before I admit anything of the sort.
No but a significant enough portion of reparations being paid would end up being spent like that so to make Manimal's point valid. As for the entire conclusion being based on the pawn shop, I'm not going to put words in Manimal's mouth but I'm guessing its going to also be based on his daily experiences as a police officer. Now while the percentages are totally going to be off because of him being a police officer it still brings relevancy to the point that a significant portion would be spent in a manner that does nothing to address inequities in the system based on slavery and civil rights violations.
 

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BurlyShirley said:
Well if Manimal can pass for an indian, then I can pass for black, and if I can pass for black then there might be a chance I get some cash. So im all for it.
You might look black, but you're 100% negro to me...
 

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sanjuro said:
But handing out fat checks will just be a waste.

Is anyone here for that?
I'm so into a fat check so that I could waste it needlessly. Its what I did with that "rebate" check we got a few years ago. I bought booze, beer and bbq and had a huge party.

Y'all were all invited how come you didn't show? Bastards see if I ever do anything nice for y'all again.
 

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Changleen said:
And a one-off payout will solve all that? I think if any cash is going to be thrown around it'd be much better directed at stuff like improving the quality of education in deprived areas and so on.
In an attempt to rerail this thread away from sarcastic and serious racism (the line becomes blurred after 2 pages :rolleyes:)...

I agree. If any reparations are to be made, they should be to help better impoverished communities in predominantly black areas. Hell, why not jack up the estate tax and pump the revenue into blighted and impoverished areas as a whole? Or put money thats being spent dominating other sovereign...you get the point.

Loopie, go study some African history before making asshat comments like that. You know better.
 

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sanjuro said:
That's stupid. Africa was invaded by the "Colonial" powers. Look up Belgium Congo, and don't forget about the Afrikaaners.
If Africa is so great, why don't african-americans go back?

Was it wrong to kidnap and enslave them? Of course, but their descendents have a better life here than in AIDS and Malaria ridden, economically depressed, genocidal waste-land their non-enslaved brethen exist in.