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The Religious Right is loosing control...........

Andyman_1970

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The Natural State
The Religious Right is losing control
by Jim Wallis

For more than a decade, a series of environmental initiatives have been coming from an unexpected source - a new generation of young evangelical activists. Mostly under the public radar screen, they were covered in places such as Sojourners and Prism, the magazine of Evangelicals for Social Action. There were new and creative projects such as the Evangelical Environmental Network and Creation Care magazine. In November, 2002, one of these initiatives got some national attention - a campaign called "What Would Jesus Drive?" complete with fact sheets, church resources, and bumper stickers. The campaign was launched with a Detroit press conference and meetings with automotive executives.


Recently, more establishment evangelical groups, especially the National Association of Evangelicals, also began to speak up on the issue of creation care. Leading the way was Rich Cizik, NAE Vice President for Governmental Affairs, who, on issues like environmental concern and global poverty reduction, began to sound like the biblical prophet Amos. Cizik and NAE President Ted Haggard, a megachurch pastor in Colorado Springs, were attending critical seminars on the environment and climate change in particular and describing their experiences of "epiphany" and "conversion" on the issue. Cizik was quoted by The New York Times as saying, "I don't think God is going to ask us how he created the earth, but he will ask us what we did with what he created." In 2004, the NAE adopted a new policy statement, "For the Health of the Nation: An Evangelical Call to Civic Responsibility," which included a principle titled "We labor to protect God's creation."


When the same New York Times article, written in March 2005 by Laurie Goodstein, noted that "A core group of influential evangelical leaders has put its considerable political power behind a cause that has barely registered on the evangelical agenda, fighting global warming," the politics of global warming changed overnight in Washington, D.C. Previously, advocates around climate change and other environmental issues were simply not a part of George Bush's political base and their concerns were not on Washington's political agenda. But the NAE constituency is mostly part of the Republican base and the new environmental concern was not unnoticed by the White House - the very day the article came out the White House called the NAE to ask what policies they were most concerned about.


The next year saw NAE participation at many major climate change and environmental meetings - both domestically and internationally - and a series of press stories about the new evangelical environmentalists, including a full page interview with Rich Cizik in The New York Times Magazine.


In January, the Religious Right reared its head. In a letter addressed to the NAE - signed by 22 of the Right's prominent leaders, including James Dobson, Charles Colson, Richard Land, and Louis Sheldon - they said, "We have appreciated the bold stance that the National Association of Evangelicals has taken on controversial issues like embracing a culture of life, protecting traditional marriage and family." They then went on to say, "We respectfully request, however, that the NAE not adopt any official position on the issue of global climate change. Global warming is not a consensus issue." It was a clear effort to prevent the NAE from taking a stand on environmental issues and even to veto the whole effort. Stick to our core issues they implied - meaning abortion and gay marriage. Five years ago, so powerful a group of conservative Christian leaders probably could have tamped down this new evangelical effort that served to broaden the range of moral values and issues of biblical concern. But not this time.


A month later, on Feb. 9, a full page ad appeared in The New York Times with the headline: "Our commitment to Jesus Christ compels us to solve the global warming crisis." The striking ad announced the Evangelical Climate Initiative, and was signed by 86 prominent evangelical leaders, including the presidents of 39 Christian colleges. I was speaking at one of those schools shortly after the ad came out and talked to their president who was one of the signers. "I'm tired of those old white guys telling us what to think and do," he said. He is a younger white man who decided to take a stand, even if it was against the old guard of the Religious Right.


The Evangelical Climate Initiative is of enormous importance and could be a tipping point in the climate change debate, according to one secular environmental leader I talked to. But of even wider importance, these events signal a sea change in evangelical Christian politics: The Religious Right is losing control. They have now lost control on the environmental issue - caring for God's creation is now a mainstream evangelical issue, especially for a new generation of evangelicals. But now so is sex trafficking, the genocide in Darfur, the pandemic of HIV/AIDS and, of course, global and domestic poverty. The call to overcome extreme poverty abroad and at home, in the world's richest nation, is becoming a new altar call around the world - a principal way Christians are deciding to put their faith into practice.


In places such as the U.K., Christians are rallying around the call to "Make Poverty History." Many are comparing that call to the cry of British Parliamentarian William Wilberforce and an earlier generation of evangelical revivalists in the 18th and 19th centuries who changed history in England and America by their steadfast commitment to end slavery. For many, poverty is the new slavery. Again, this is especially true for a new generation of Christians. The connection between poverty and all the other key issues - the environment, HIV/AIDS, and violent conflicts around the world are increasingly clear for many people of faith.


The sacredness of life and family values are deeply important to these Christians as well - yet too important to be used as partisan wedge issues that call for single issue voting patterns that ignore other critical biblical matters. The Religious Right has been able to win when they have been able to maintain and control a monologue on the relationship between faith and politics. But when a dialogue begins about the extent of moral values issues and what biblically-faithful Christians should care about, the Religious Right begins to lose. The best news of all for the American church and society is this: The monologue of the Religious Right is over, and a new dialogue has just begun.
 

Old Man G Funk

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Andyman_1970 said:
In January, the Religious Right reared its head. In a letter addressed to the NAE - signed by 22 of the Right's prominent leaders, including James Dobson, Charles Colson, Richard Land, and Louis Sheldon - they said, "We have appreciated the bold stance that the National Association of Evangelicals has taken on controversial issues like embracing a culture of life, protecting traditional marriage and family." They then went on to say, "We respectfully request, however, that the NAE not adopt any official position on the issue of global climate change. Global warming is not a consensus issue." It was a clear effort to prevent the NAE from taking a stand on environmental issues and even to veto the whole effort. Stick to our core issues they implied - meaning abortion and gay marriage. Five years ago, so powerful a group of conservative Christian leaders probably could have tamped down this new evangelical effort that served to broaden the range of moral values and issues of biblical concern. But not this time.
But, Cizik and Haggard are part of the Religious Right (Haggard has Bush on his speed dial). And, Dobson, Colson, et. al. are part of the NAE. To pit the "Religious Right" against the NAE is ridiculous, since they are one and the same. It's just that certain elements in the NAE are having a change of opinion over global warming. Not that it's a bad thing, but this article seems to be off-base about the politics.
 

Changleen

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If religious types start to give a crap about real issues, then great. Real issues require real solutions.
 

reflux

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Changleen said:
If religious types start to give a crap about real issues, then great. Real issues require real solutions.
I thought real solutions entailed talking about freedoms and liberties, no?:think:
 

BurlyShirley

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I dont know why religious people should be worried about global warming and other related issues. If god wants the ice caps to melt, they'll melt. If not, they wont.
 

LordOpie

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BurlyShirley said:
I dont know why religious people should be worried about global warming and other related issues. If god wants the ice caps to melt, they'll melt. If not, they wont.
Along that logic... I'm not really sure why they care about queers or abortionists. Won't GOD deal with the sinners as he sees fit?
 

BurlyShirley

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LordOpie said:
Along that logic... I'm not really sure why they care about queers or abortionists. Won't GOD deal with the sinners as he sees fit?
Yeah but I think they're supposed to try to convert people to the right way so god doesnt have to lay the smack. So if they show disapproval toward certain lifestlyles, it makes more clear the one "god" would be accepting of. But it really does make me wonder. Im not trying to be a troll. If you honestly believed that when you died you were going to heaven, and that god controlled what happens on earth, why would you need to back such a cause?

EDIT: To make that more clear. Christians believe that everything that happens is just part of gods great plan, so I dont get the point of trying to make changes like these.
 

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BurlyShirley said:
EDIT: To make that more clear. Christians believe that everything that happens is just part of gods great plan, so I dont get the point of trying to make changes like these.
So why do they even bother getting up in the morning?
 

Old Man G Funk

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BurlyShirley said:
Yeah but I think they're supposed to try to convert people to the right way so god doesnt have to lay the smack. So if they show disapproval toward certain lifestlyles, it makes more clear the one "god" would be accepting of. But it really does make me wonder. Im not trying to be a troll. If you honestly believed that when you died you were going to heaven, and that god controlled what happens on earth, why would you need to back such a cause?

EDIT: To make that more clear. Christians believe that everything that happens is just part of gods great plan, so I dont get the point of trying to make changes like these.
The argument in this instance is that god created the Earth and left it to us. So, we are ultimately in charge of taking care of the planet (to some extent) and human-caused global warming is certainly something that we can have an affect on.

I see this as another instance where the science has become too convincing to simply brush aside. Like in the example of evolution, many Creationists now admit that some evolution takes place (microevolution) because the science is just too stacked against them, and science is very important in our world as well as very convincing due to its successes. In this case, we are seeing very compelling evidence that the Earth is undergoing change that will not be beneficial to us, and its got the fundies scared that they might be on the wrong side of things.
 

BurlyShirley

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Old Man G Funk said:
The argument in this instance is that god created the Earth and left it to us. So, we are ultimately in charge of taking care of the planet (to some extent) and human-caused global warming is certainly something that we can have an affect on.
They argue that, but it just doesnt jive with the rest of their beliefs if you really break it down. Its easy to corner christians here, and it always just ends with "You have to have faith" or some other such nonsense.
See Christians pray for god to make things all good for them. Or they pray to "let his will be done" or what have you. Point is, prayer, which is a cornerstone of being Christian, very much implies that god affects daily life. So if god wanted something catastrophic like global warming to go down, would it be because people simply didnt pray enough (can you change gods mind? Whats even the point of praying?) or that god simply had other plans. If everyone died, inevitably, the christian response would be "God has called them to heaven" not "Well, we ****ed up and god had nothing to do with it" right?
 

Old Man G Funk

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BurlyShirley said:
They argue that, but it just doesnt jive with the rest of their beliefs if you really break it down. Its easy to corner christians here, and it always just ends with "You have to have faith" or some other such nonsense.
See Christians pray for god to make things all good for them. Or they pray to "let his will be done" or what have you. Point is, prayer, which is a cornerstone of being Christian, very much implies that god affects daily life. So if god wanted something catastrophic like global warming to go down, would it be because people simply didnt pray enough (can you change gods mind? Whats even the point of praying?) or that god simply had other plans. If everyone died, inevitably, the christian response would be "God has called them to heaven" not "Well, we ****ed up and god had nothing to do with it" right?
I'm not saying that it makes sense. I'm just telling you what the argument is. There are, however, differing beliefs about how much responsibility was conferred on us in Genesis to be caretakers, and that is what is being expressed here.

Edit: I think this also somewhat touches on the whole free will paradox. If we have free will, then we can go against god's plans or disrupt them (god wants us all to love him, but obviously not all of us do afterall) so we might be using our freewill to commit the evil of destroying the Earth before god is ready to do it himself, or something like that. I'm just pontificating about this....
 

BurlyShirley

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Old Man G Funk said:
I'm not saying that it makes sense. I'm just telling you what the argument is. There are, however, differing beliefs about how much responsibility was conferred on us in Genesis to be caretakers, and that is what is being expressed here.

Edit: I think this also somewhat touches on the whole free will paradox. If we have free will, then we can go against god's plans or disrupt them (god wants us all to love him, but obviously not all of us do afterall) so we might be using our freewill to commit the evil of destroying the Earth before god is ready to do it himself, or something like that. I'm just pontificating about this....
Right. But it is just that: a paradox.
 

Reactor

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The argument is like the difference between t a hack like Phelps, or Robertson and real Christians. Phelps and Robertson believe you have to do what God wants you to do, and you have to have faith and obey their version of God's will, which only they are qualified to reveal, assassinations and all. Believe them, follow them, or you are going to hell.....

Real Christians just want to apply the principles of Christ's teachings to solve real world problems.
 

Backpack1

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That's like saying "real Americans" to the rest of the world...it's too late.
We don't buy it anymore. Religion itself is the greatest man-made disaster ever conceived. Um, thanks...I hope my children see the demise of this (mono)theist insanity, but in my heart I know better.
 

Old Man G Funk

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Reactor said:
The argument is like the difference between t a hack like Phelps, or Robertson and real Christians. Phelps and Robertson believe you have to do what God wants you to do, and you have to have faith and obey their version of God's will, which only they are qualified to reveal, assassinations and all. Believe them, follow them, or you are going to hell.....

Real Christians just want to apply the principles of Christ's teachings to solve real world problems.
Don't make me pull out the No True Scotsman Fallacy.
 

fluff

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This thread seems to be, disturbingly, veering into N8 and mizN8 territory. Please don't go down that road.;):rofl:
I'm just wondering if they have a pair of those... actually, I'm trying hard not to wonder about it but I'm struggling.