[SuspectDevice]

I agree with you about Monster, It's a dangerous product and I hate the stuff. That still doesn't change the fact that they've been pumping money into bike racing.
Your right about the commentary, it was over the top.
I still think, to put it simply, a rider in baggies is more marketable then a rider in a skinsuit.

The thing that is marketable is the rider inside the clothes... Steve Peat sold stuff in full skinsuits just as well as he sells it now.

If this whole argument is about paychecks for top riders, the riders need to reach down inside themselves and work on being more marketable as human beings. Wearing a skinsuit for 5 minutes a week doesn't change anyone's personality, and it isn't race results that move product for sponsors and justify paychecks, at least not in an "enthusiast-only" sport like mountainbike racing.

Even when it is possible to get more outside-industry sponsors interested in mountainbike racing, they bring in money from their Promotional, not Marketing budgets usually. They want to be able to stick their gas-fueled death machines in the pits, or force samples of their putrid synthetic food on people. With promotional sponsorship, the riders might as well just be mannequins.

Sponsorships that are tied to the actual riders themselves, and not the target demographic of consumers are pretty rare in mountainbiking these days, and always have been. The riders who do actually get paid lots of money do benefit from these, but there is really no trickle down from the top for that sort of thing. To garner real money, the riders need real content, and in some very rare, but notable circumstances, that is tied solely to winning races. Normally, it takes personality, and results...

Where exactly does clothing fit into this?

It's complicated... but ultimately, nothing looks worse to me than intolerance and homophobia.

If everyone were complaining that skinsuits look "black" or "jewish", or that we should ban, Fillipinos, that would make sense to me.

All of those social groups are bad, or at least I am afraid of them...

 

[ska todd]

Ok, here's a particular question. I know myself and may other riders wear lycra cycling shorts under our moto gear when we ride/race. Does this make us gay underneath it all? Are we just closet cases?

-ska todd

 

[davet]

Of course it should be a showdown of the biggest talent. Fastest pilot wins, not the fastest underwear, period.

Then you must regulate tires, suspension, bike weight, gearing, etc. etc. etc. pretty soon you have nascar.

 

[DH Diva]

I know myself and may other riders wear lycra cycling shorts under our moto gear when we ride/race.

The better question is what else would you wear under your kit?? Spandex is the most functional/comfortable option, but I think there's still a lot of people who don't wear them under baggies in both MTB and Moto!

And where did the gay thing come from?? Seriously? Is gay the new code word for "different than me." People need to grow up.

 

[ska todd]

The better question is what else would you wear under your kit?? Spandex is the most functional/comfortable option, but I think there's still a lot of people who don't wear them under baggies in both MTB and Moto!

I guess some guys would rather have swamp ass and crotch rot in their boxxers so they don't catch "the gay"

-ska todd

 

[SPINTECK]

Ok, here's a particular question. I know myself and may other riders wear lycra cycling shorts under our moto gear when we ride/race. Does this make us gay underneath it all? Are we just closet cases?

-ska todd

Closet roadie!

 

[FlipFantasia]

I guess some guys would rather have swamp ass and crotch rot in their boxxers so they don't catch "the gay"

-ska todd

spandex wear it belongs, under the baggies! I had a friend who insisted on wearing underwear under his spandex under his baggies, cause wearing spandex against the skin just "wasn't right".....too funny.....I don't get how people can ride in boxxers, wangslap just isn't cool! keep everything secure and outta the way of seats I say!

 

[Whoops]

...Everybody, obviously, isn't offended by this garment, but who gave YOU the right to force your lack of ethics upon another individual? Some people only look at this purely as esthetical. Some others look at this as something that goes against their nature.

What needs to happen before some of you realize that this is a violation upon the will of other people? How about if the US cycling federation orders a buttplug to go with every skinsuit (that also you have to wear no matter what level you compete on), would that wake you up?

"-Ohh, that's different.."

Why, is it finally personal for YOU now? A violation that finally has to do with YOU? Does it really have to take a dildo up your bum before you wake up? Well, others get offended by less. Either way, no one has the right to offend another person. Never.

It's not the brown shirt that makes the fascist.

Uhhh. hang on.

Aren't you one of the crowd calling for a ban on skin suits?

Also - anyone watched gridiron recently? Bunch of fags.... all of them. They never get any sponsorship money either...

 

[skinny mike]

Of course it should be a showdown of the biggest talent. Fastest pilot wins, not the fastest underwear, period.

then please explain road racing, ski racing, moto gp(skintight leather!), xc, cyclocross, speed skating, etc.

 

[xy9ine]

Also - anyone watched gridiron recently? Bunch of fags.... all of them. They never get any sponsorship money either...

football is like, so gay. interestingly, why is it that the most testosterone loaded sports involve skin-tight pants (wrestling, football, ect)?

 

[ska todd]

figure skating is testosterone laden?

-ska todd

 

[DBR X6 RIDER]

Wow...nothing like a little heated debate. In all honesty, I feel they should ban skinsuits AND moto kits and come up with something that is still loose-fitting yet snug enough to reduce drag. Kind of a happy medium? Seems too logical to make sense, I reckon.

Otherwise, ride naked!

 

[rockwool]

Ok, here's a particular question. I know myself and may other riders wear lycra cycling shorts under our moto gear when we ride/race. Does this make us gay underneath it all? Are we just closet cases?

-ska todd

Not according to me as I do the same, but if you're any serious about that question then you should ask in that Irish gay forum (or any of your own pick).

Then you must regulate tires, suspension, bike weight, gearing, etc. etc. etc. pretty soon you have nascar.

Does this mean that you disagree that the biggest talent should win?

spandex wear it belongs, under the baggies! I had a friend who insisted on wearing underwear under his spandex under his baggies, cause wearing spandex against the skin just "wasn't right".....too funny.....I don't get how people can ride in boxxers, wangslap just isn't cool! keep everything secure and outta the way of seats I say!

I know a guy who had his baggies caught by the back of the seat on his Balfa BB7 while flying down Dirt Merchant. I saw a pic of them a bit after the worst of the swollen had gone, still big as tennisballs and not quite as purple as they had been. I know, , I will look for it.

 

[skinny mike]

Does this mean that you disagree that the biggest talent should win?

actually, if all the equipment is regulated so everyone is basically on the same thing, then it will actually be a competition where the biggest talent wins.

 

[Lex]

I saw a pic of them a bit after the worst of the swollen had gone, still big as tennisballs and not quite as purple as they had been. I know, , I will look for it.

No pictures are necessary since the unpleasant mental image is now permanently burned into my mind.



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[rockwool]

Uhhh. hang on.

Aren't you one of the crowd calling for a ban on skin suits?

Actually it's Peaty and his fellow competitors.

Are you saying that you would you be offended if you had to wear anything but a skinsuit?

then please explain road racing, ski racing, moto gp(skintight leather!), xc, cyclocross, speed skating, etc.

I'm sorry I don't understand your Q.

Wow...nothing like a little heated debate. In all honesty, I feel they should ban skinsuits AND moto kits and come up with something that is still loose-fitting yet snug enough to reduce drag. Kind of a happy medium? Seems too logical to make sense, I reckon.

Otherwise, ride naked!

Yeah, we could make superhero costumes our own thing, a cloak would be a requirement for the costume to be legal. Or is this idea maybe already taken by them hillbily wrestlers?

Nono, any skinsuit = ban, and don't try getting around the rules by calling it birthdaysuit.

 

[rockwool]

actually, if all the equipment is regulated so everyone is basically on the same thing, then it will actually be a competition where the biggest talent wins.

As of what I can think of right now, no equipment is regulated and we have killer intense racing. Nothing broken, no need to fix any of that then. Skinsuits is the only thing that can kill that. As most of the racers wont use them, this would mean that fastest underwear wins. That is sad.

No pictures are necessary since the unpleasant mental image is now permanently burned into my mind.



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I won't accept a no unless I'm defeated in a poll.

 

[Lollapalooza]

UCI is never going to ban skin suits or moto gear. The decision will always be up to the riders. They opted for skin suits a decade ago and they're using moto gear now. Something like clothing is very hard to regulate. How tight can moto gear be? How loose fitting can a skin suit be? I think on top of the results, the skin suits are a great way to get some free advertising. Think of how many people now know about Mojo compared to two weeks ago.

 

[Whoops]

Actually it's Peaty and his fellow competitors.
...

Nono, any skinsuit = ban, .....

Any chance of you having a consistent position on this? Are you calling for a ban on skin suits? Yes or no?

Which way did you vote in the poll?

 

[Mike Buell]

Outlawing skinsuits would be a terrible Idea, cause then people would just wearing really tight pants and jerseys and what not to accomplish the same goal, and that would look even worse.

 

[DirtyMike]

Seriously, Rockwool, the more you respond, the more clsoed minded, unsecure and just plain stubborn and stupid you are proving yourself to be. Your standpoint, and I dont need to quote you for this, is that Lycra is offensive, and that means we cant wear it. and noone has the right to offend other people. But Damn near everypost you have had has been offensive, Homophobic, and closeminded. Pick a side of the fence and stay there.


You cannot for one second tell me that DH is a particluar that is different from ANY OTHER GOD D%^Ned sport out there that uses tight clothing.

Your responce to the UFC, stop being retarded.... Dude Spectators see it, do they feel Offended cause they can see Dudes junk while he is fighting..... NO!!!!!! They just want to see more carnage.

DO you ever ride XC? Do you ever ride road?


Get over it, stop being a Homophobe, and move on.







One more Example.... Am I a fag because I wear Assless chaps?????

 

[pelo]

Can someone explain how DH is connected to road cycling, because I don´t get it. I´m not beeing sarcastic, this is serious business, I´m not d***ing around.
I stopped doing xc-racing because it was too much like road racing.

 

[DirtyMike]

Can someone explain how DH is connected to road cycling, because I don´t get it. I´m not beeing sarcastic, this is serious business, I´m not d***ing around.
I stopped doing xc-racing because it was too much like road racing.

There all cycling, just different disciplines. The way you pedal, fitting the bike to the stance you have on it, seat position bar height everything. Its all comes together one way or another.

Also the big fact that ALOT of people ride both, so yeah your goping to have stuff go from one to another.







Teh other connection we are having is some ae saying its insulting and offensive to wear Lycra for DH, but it is ok in road.... i dont get it, why would it be ok for one, and not the other?????

 

[Whoops]

One more Example.... Am I a fag because I wear Assless chaps?????

Aren't all chaps assless?

 

[ire]

This thread is entertaining.....it used to be standard to wear a skinsuit when racing downhill, but now there is a big phobia around it. If you ban skinsuits, the guys who would wear them will wear tight fitting, moto looking, gear. I've raced DH in both, and I think the riders should be able to choose. If the riders lobby the UCI to ban skinsuits, they'll be opening a can of worms.....the UCI already heavily regulates road bikes, do you want the travel, wheels size, tire size, etc regulated by the UCI?

 

[pelo]

There all cycling, just different disciplines. The way you pedal, fitting the bike to the stance you have on it, seat position bar height everything. Its all comes together one way or another.

Also the big fact that ALOT of people ride both, so yeah your goping to have stuff go from one to another.

Teh other connection we are having is some ae saying its insulting and offensive to wear Lycra for DH, but it is ok in road.... i dont get it, why would it be ok for one, and not the other?????

I see your point. I´d like to step out of the cycling world to do a comparison with skiing.

Nordic skiing and moguls for instance. They do have similarities, but actually putting them in the same "category" (maybe I use the wrong word here, but you get it...) hinders both disciplines at the same time. One has focus on endurance, one on technique.

The same goes for DH/Roadracing, I think. It´s VERY different. Skinsuit has a minimal effect on endurance in DH, but is a HUGE advantage in roadracing. DH is won when a rider nails all corners and smoothes out the rough sections. This is very important I think, to put the energy in the right direction. Skinsuits have nothing to do with this. Of coarse it´s more aerodynamic, everybody knows that. It´s just a very, very uncreative way of looking at our sport.

I don´t like to tell people what to do. But, I do like this sport and like to share my opinions about it. That´s where I start from.

 

[pelo]

This thread is entertaining.....

Yea, it´s fun!

 

[SPINTECK]

I hope you guys are joking about this skin suit not being part of DH culture. Tomac wore a skinsuit back in 94 and 95 and maybe more. Phillip Perakis wore skinsuits back in the early 90's as well- also probably the first racer to use Dianese. Both guys had body armor underneath. So to even discuss taking skinsuits out of a possible DH equation makes no sense on any level. It's been in the culture before and if it's faster, let the sport progress.

Feel free to correct me if I'm missing something here.

 

[pelo]

I hope you guys are joking about this skin suit not being part of DH culture. Tomac wore a skinsuit back in 94 and 95 and maybe more. Phillip Perakis wore skinsuits back in the early 90's as well- also probably the first racer to use Dianese. Both guys had body armor underneath. So to even discuss taking skinsuits out of a possible DH equation makes no sense on any level. It's been in the culture before and if it's faster, let the sport progress.

Feel free to correct me if I'm missing something here.

Sorry to say this, but that´s conservative not progressive. DH skiing that´s been mentioned so many times this thread (that´s why I use it) didn´t use skinsuits in the first 15-20 year or so. Interestingly, for some reason, DH has gone the other way around? How would you explain that?

 

[SPINTECK]

Sorry to say this, but that´s conservative not progressive. DH skiing that´s been mentioned so many times this thread (that´s why I use it) didn´t use skinsuits in the first 15-20 year or so. Interestingly, for some reason, DH has gone the other way around? How would you explain that?

We have an identity crisis. are we moto guys?? Bmx'ers, downhill specialists, image conscience hunks of steel?? Sponsored riders by clothing brands?? I liked it when Palmer was negotiating a contract w/Fox back in the mid 90's and decided to wear jeans to prove he was willing to drop any sponsor who wouldn't meet his terms (those were the money-flowin' days).

 

[iRider]

... Why would they continue to sponsor DH if all the racers wore products they don't sell?

Why is Mark Weirs biggest personal sponsor FOX not dumping him although he wears a WTB skinsuit when he races Super D?
Because when he is not racing he is wearing their stuff. And he is a good promotor of their brand.

 

[pelo]

We have an identity crisis. are we moto guys?? Bmx'ers, downhill specialists, image conscience hunks of steel?? Sponsored riders by clothing brands?? I liked it when Palmer was negotiating a contract w/Fox back in the mid 90's and decided to wear jeans to prove he was willing to drop any sponsor who wouldn't meet his terms (those were the money-flowin' days).

No, we don´t. We´ve gone from lycra to motogear. The direction is more challenging tracks in progression with better bikes and technology.

 

[iRider]

This thread is entertaining.....it used to be standard to wear a skinsuit when racing downhill, but now there is a big phobia around it. If you ban skinsuits, the guys who would wear them will wear tight fitting, moto looking, gear. I've raced DH in both, and I think the riders should be able to choose. If the riders lobby the UCI to ban skinsuits, they'll be opening a can of worms.....the UCI already heavily regulates road bikes, do you want the travel, wheels size, tire size, etc regulated by the UCI?

100% agree! Keep the UCI out of that. I can remember when they stopped all inovation with TT bikes in 2000. Stupid! If they had to say what we should ride we would still be on canti-braked, full rigid bikes. But hey, this is what some people here want to happen: the best rider should win. So maybe we SHOULD get UCI involved. They would ban all the cool technology. I can't wait for all the current DH bikes to show up for cheap on ebay :biggrin:

 

[pelo]

I don´t see why UCI would ban technology within the use of motoclothes? I think the sport is moving into a direction where it doesn´t matter.

The essence of DH is to figure out how to carry more speed in a terrain of chaos. If you got that right for the day, you win. Skinsuit has nothing to do with this.

 

[iRider]

My question is:

Why do all you dudes care what a bunch of other dudes are wearing? Wandering into this thread feels like I'm surrounded by a bunch of 13 year old girls talking on the phone about what to wear the first day of school.

You have been around long enough here to know that this is fashionmonkey. Color coordinate the bike to your socks and your cars seats.

If you like skinsuits, wear them.

If you don't like skinsuits, don't wear them.

I don't get what the big deal is. It's a matter of personal preference and highly dependent on the particular course. It seems like a lot of pro's switch between skin suits and the cordura/nylon gear anyways. Some courses it makes sense, some it doesn't matter........so why the big stink over clothing.

Because it is the internet maybe? If everybody would agree on everything there would be no funny threads on here.

 

[rockwool]

Seriously, Rockwool, the more you respond, the more clsoed minded, unsecure and just plain stubborn and stupid you are proving yourself to be. Your standpoint, and I dont need to quote you for this, is that Lycra is offensive, and that means we cant wear it. and noone has the right to offend other people. But Damn near everypost you have had has been offensive, Homophobic, and closeminded. Pick a side of the fence and stay there.


You cannot for one second tell me that DH is a particluar that is different from ANY OTHER GOD D%^Ned sport out there that uses tight clothing.

Your responce to the UFC, stop being retarded.... Dude Spectators see it, do they feel Offended cause they can see Dudes junk while he is fighting..... NO!!!!!! They just want to see more carnage.

DO you ever ride XC? Do you ever ride road?


Get over it, stop being a Homophobe, and move on.

One more Example.... Am I a fag because I wear Assless chaps?????

Saw the other week that the IRI was looking for new coworkers. Give them a holla, maybe they're looking for another spindoctor. www.iri.org

 

[rockwool]

I hope you guys are joking about this skin suit not being part of DH culture. Tomac wore a skinsuit back in 94 and 95 and maybe more. Phillip Perakis wore skinsuits back in the early 90's as well- also probably the first racer to use Dianese. Both guys had body armor underneath. So to even discuss taking skinsuits out of a possible DH equation makes no sense on any level. It's been in the culture before and if it's faster, let the sport progress.

Feel free to correct me if I'm missing something here.

I for one wasn't, it's part of the roots of DH culture. Todays Pros don't want it. Move on, no asses to see here...
Someone mentioned progression. So let's progress.

100% agree! Keep the UCI out of that. I can remember when they stopped all inovation with TT bikes in 2000. Stupid! If they had to say what we should ride we would still be on canti-braked, full rigid bikes. But hey, this is what some people here want to happen: the best rider should win. So maybe we SHOULD get UCI involved. They would ban all the cool technology. I can't wait for all the current DH bikes to show up for cheap on ebay :biggrin:

Why should one thing automaticly lead to another, it isn't a line of domino bricks we're talking about. Forget the pancake effect.






Pancake effect..

 

[rockwool]

We have an identity crisis. are we moto guys?? Bmx'ers, downhill specialists, image conscience hunks of steel?? Sponsored riders by clothing brands?? I liked it when Palmer was negotiating a contract w/Fox back in the mid 90's and decided to wear jeans to prove he was willing to drop any sponsor who wouldn't meet his terms (those were the money-flowin' days).

I don't see this thing as an identity crisis. I see the Pros that don't want to wear the skinsuit. They don't like it. It ends here.

That that some think that the skinsuit is such a big part of DH's identity, makes one think that you get nostalgic at the glory days of US DH?




Just teasing..

 

[iRider]

Why should one thing automaticly lead to another, it isn't a line of domino bricks we're talking about. Forget the pancake effect.

You have NO idea what UCI is all about, have you? :huh:

 

[rockwool]

You have NO idea what UCI is all about, have you? :huh:

Alizee, bitches and money?