[sanjuro]

Debating gun control in Congress

Forty-two Democrats are now co-sponsoring a bill to ban the high-capacity magazines like the one Jared Loughner allegedly used in Tucson. Joining Lawrence O'Donnell, Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) who says he wishes one more responsible person with a gun had been in Tucson that Saturday.

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[stoney]

This isn't an issue with the type of arms, it's an issue with the type of people getting the arms. These are different topics entirely.
I am a sane, normally adjusted individual. If I want a semi-automatic assault rifle, why should I not be able to have one?
This guy is clearly mal-adjusted and bat-isht crazy. He should never have been allowed to have access to a gun in the first place.

What needs to be put into place is a better system of logging individuals with mental imbalances to prevent their purchase of guns, not the overall prevention of gun purchases.

 

[dante]

This isn't an issue with the type of arms, it's an issue with the type of people getting the arms. These are different topics entirely.
I am a sane, normally adjusted individual. If I want a shoulder-fired surface-to-air missle, why should I not be able to have one?
This guy is clearly mal-adjusted and bat-isht crazy. He should never have been allowed to have access to a gun in the first place.

What needs to be put into place is a better system of logging individuals with mental imbalances to prevent their purchase of guns, not the overall prevention of gun purchases.

Fixed. Or maybe a 30cal belt-fed machine gun? RPG? All are considered "arms" in the strictest sense, and if you expand arms to all weapons (case can definitely be made that local militias in the 18th century had access to canon, the heaviest weapons of the day) there's no reason that I should be denied tanks, planes, artillery, etc.

However, the courts and the legislature have tried to balance the rights of citizens to own guns and the rights of citizens not to be killed/injured by them. Is it really that unreasonable to limit access to those weapons (or clips) that are the most deadly, the most utilized for shooting a lot of (innocent) people? The idiot in Tucson fired off his 30 round mag+1 in the chamber, and then was tackled when his 2nd clip failed... Can't we at least have the discussion as to whether fewer people would have been shot if he'd only had access to 10 round magazines?

 

[stoney]

Fixed. Or maybe a 30cal belt-fed machine gun? RPG? All are considered "arms" in the strictest sense, and if you expand arms to all weapons (case can definitely be made that local militias in the 18th century had access to canon, the heaviest weapons of the day) there's no reason that I should be denied tanks, planes, artillery, etc.

However, the courts and the legislature have tried to balance the rights of citizens to own guns and the rights of citizens not to be killed/injured by them. Is it really that unreasonable to limit access to those weapons (or clips) that are the most deadly, the most utilized for shooting a lot of (innocent) people? The idiot in Tucson fired off his 30 round mag+1 in the chamber, and then was tackled when his 2nd clip failed... Can't we at least have the discussion as to whether fewer people would have been shot if he'd only had access to 10 round magazines?

Again, dude was bat isht crazy. Was his gun converted to fully auto? Sure sounds like it.

With regards to heavy arms, there is a limit of reasonability. RPG's? Tanks? Let's be honest here, those are over the top.

 

[jonKranked]

I would like to propose an amendment to the constitution that would make firearm ownership legally mandatory.

 

[worship_mud]

I am a sane, normally adjusted individual. If I want a semi-automatic assault rifle, why should I not be able to have one?

well, the first sentence is led ad absurdum by the second one.
why would a sane, normally adjusted individual want a semi-automatic assault rifle?

 

[jonKranked]

well, the first sentence is led ad absurdum by the second one.
why would a sane, normally adjusted individual want a semi-automatic assault rifle?

because they're fun as fvck

 

[X3pilot]

Ban high capacity magazines? Hell yeah. If you can't score one bullet=one kill, you shouldn't have the right to have a damn gun!

 

[stoney]

I would like to propose an amendment to the constitution that would make firearm ownership legally mandatory.

That, and mandatory 2 year conscription after high school. The Swiss have a shockingly low crime rate and a well trained populace.
Also, if conscription is mandatory, I have a feeling wars and policing activites would be far less common. The people being sent to war would be less likely to vote for those sending them without just reason.

 

[jonKranked]

That, and mandatory 2 year conscription after high school. The Swiss have a shockingly low crime rate and a well trained populace.
Also, if conscription is mandatory, I have a feeling wars and policing activites would be far less common. The people being sent to war would be less likely to vote for those sending them without just reason.

but isn't forcing everyone to do something called "socialist"?

 

[stoney]

but isn't forcing everyone to do something called "socialist"?

No, taking from one to support all is socialist/communist. Making individuals understand the consequences of their actions (votes), is logical. Also, making people go into the military (in some form) will also force/teach them to be aware of fitness. This would solve a lot of our healthcare issues too.

 

[dante]

Again, dude was bat isht crazy. Was his gun converted to fully auto? Sure sounds like it.

With regards to heavy arms, there is a limit of reasonability. RPG's? Tanks? Let's be honest here, those are over the top.

Highly doubtful, he shot 20 people with 31 shots. That's not exactly "spray and pray"...

And exactly, there is a limit to reasonability and responsibility. 30 round mags are what I'd call unreasonable and irresponsible. Unless you're fending off a horde of zombies, I can't imagine the need for more than 10 well-placed shots, or at the most an additional 2-3 10rd mags...

 

[jonKranked]

No, taking from one to support all is socialist/communist. Making individuals understand the consequences of their actions (votes), is logical. Also, making people go into the military (in some form) will also force/teach them to be aware of fitness. This would solve a lot of our healthcare issues too.

most people consider things that are logical to be socialist. which is very illogical.

 

[dante]

No, taking from one to support all is socialist/communist.

No it's not.

 

[binary visions]

What needs to be put into place is a better system of logging individuals with mental imbalances to prevent their purchase of guns

Please put together a plan for how you propose to log all "mentally imbalanced" individuals, including defining and diagnosing "imbalance" - right up to a clear line for what is and is not imbalanced - and how you plan to deal with associated privacy impacts and HIPAA laws.

Do all gun sales come with a mandatory 3 months of therapy with a qualified mental health doctor skilled at diagnosing mental illness?

I just fail to see how we can effectively filter mentally ill people out of the buying process.

 

[jonKranked]

I just fail to see how we can effectively filter mentally ill people out of the buying process.

which is why I propose forcing everyone to buy gunz. They might think twice about using one if they knew everyone else around them was packing heat. Fear will keep them in line.

 

[Silver]

This thread would be like dropping a nuclear bomb on a goldfish bowl. I'm going to pass...

 

[jonKranked]

This threa would be like dropping a nuclear bomb on a goldfish bowl. I'm going to pass...

commie

 

[dante]

which is why I propose forcing everyone to buy gunz. They might think twice about using one if they knew everyone else around them was packing heat. Fear will keep them in line.

The homeless guy on the #7 train ranting and raving about how all of problems of all mankind can be traced back to the hypnotic and manipulative pvssy is not deterred by your threat of reciprocal violence.

 

[$tinkle]

"Sen. Chuck Schumer proposes that when prospective military recruits admit drug use in interviews — as Tucson shooter Jared Lee Loughner did — they should be reported to the FBI and entered into the database of people who are forbidden to buy guns"

so now this is due process?

 

[sanjuro]

The problem with gun control laws is they are argued by extremists.

On one hand, you have rather ignorant anti-gun advocates who seemingly emerge only during huge tragedies, and on the other side is the "I should be able to own bazookas" gun nuts.

 

[Silver]

I find it shocking that when an unprovoked public shooting happens, people have the gall to point out that gun law in the US are lax.

It's a blood libel, like no other.

 

[rockofullr]

lol at any comparison between serving in the Swiss military and serving in the US military.

Have you ever seen a "Swiss Army Knife" it has a corkscrew!

The Swiss Wine, Cheese, and Guns Club =/= participating in a true armed conflict. I'd guess that the suicide rate for returning military personnel is not even close to that of the US military.

 

[mattmatt86]

Forcing everyone to serve in the military will just make the nut jobs more efficient when they do snap. If Jared Loughner had forceably served in the military maybe he would have landed all 30 shots instead of just 21...

Here's a perfect example of a military trained nut job: Texas Clock Tower Sniper