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Things that seem simple to others that you find confounding:

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Turbo Monkey
Apr 5, 2005
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Chandler, AZ, USA
i stringently disagree. like you, i've written in bazillion languages on more than a few platforms/architectures and have a knack for spoken languages. this has held for the vast majority of my various co-workers who've studied languages.

grammar is grammar.
automata theory & language theory go hand in glove

i believe it all comes down to interest level & reinforcement. i'll freely admit i'm not someone you'd call smart or disciplined, but experience can be masqueraded as such.

Human languages, make no sense to me, nor to most of the co-workers I've had. Most human languages have more exceptions to their syntax rules than rules themselves. Latin based languages like spanish seem to be the worst. I know a little japanese, which is on paper one of the most logical languages, and speak passable spainish - which makes little sense to me what I know is simply by rote.
 

laura

DH_Laura
Jul 16, 2002
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Glitter Gulch
Haha. I guess that's the point. In that example, I would have taken it to mean that the guy's drive train survived as he was riding that rock section... didn't = neg, fail = neg ==> positive. Right?

Exactly why I posted it in this thread... confuses the crap out of me at the moment

Just because fail has a negative connotation doesn't make it a negative in the grammatical sense.

Double negatives would be

Don't go nowhere.
We don't need no education.
I can't have nothing.

Or "that dudes driven train didn't not fail going through the rock section" but who the **** says that anyway?
 

chuffer

Turbo Monkey
Sep 2, 2004
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McMinnville, OR
Human languages, make no sense to me, nor to most of the co-workers I've had. Most human languages have more exceptions to their syntax rules than rules themselves. Latin based languages like spanish seem to be the worst. I know a little japanese, which is on paper one of the most logical languages, and speak passable spainish - which makes little sense to me what I know is simply by rote.
with all due respect, as a fairly technical person who is comfortable with foreign language, i think you are missing the point. grammar is nothing more than a systematic way of putting together thoughts. when i learn a new language, i simply learn the rules of grammar and pronunciation and begin trying to apply them.

the most difficult part of learning a language for most techies is that they will not allow themselves to blunder and fumble while trying to speak for the first time -something that happens to everyone who learns a new language. this part or learning seems to be too socially awkward for the already (generally) socially awkward techies...

btw, both pronunciation and grammar in latin based languages is far more consistent than english.
 

chuffer

Turbo Monkey
Sep 2, 2004
1,568
912
McMinnville, OR
using public transportation for the first time in a new place.

do you buy the tickets (or tokens) at the station, on the train or at the convenience store three blocks away?

do you cancel the ticket on the platform or on the train?

do you buy single trip tickets or multi-trip passes?

does the vending machine take cash or credit?

is this my stop?
 

Willy Vanilly

Monkey
Jul 27, 2003
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San Jose
Just because fail has a negative connotation doesn't make it a negative in the grammatical sense.

Double negatives would be

Don't go nowhere.
We don't need no education.
I can't have nothing.

Or "that dudes driven train didn't not fail going through the rock section" but who the **** says that anyway?
There you go. I don't hear anyone speak like that commonly, but there have been a handful of times it has come up. Your examples are much better than mine.

There's something else I struggle with... coming up with examples when necessary. Like when I was spelling something out letter for letter on the phone to someone and I came to the letter k. I paused... "kkk" went through my head but that didn't seem appropriate so I said "k, as in cat with a k". The person on the other end of the line definitely got a chuckle out of that.
 

Hunter

Monkey
Sep 14, 2006
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The Right coast
Cars. And fixing them.

I can do all kinds of small engine repairs (lawnmower, chainsaw, etc), 99% of my bike repairs, and am generally pretty handy around the house. But I don't venture beyond an oil change with a car. And I don't understand why many people are in love with these gas guzzling, money sucking, complicated modes of transportation.