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Things you would like to see from bicycle manufacturers

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by saruti, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. saruti

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    What do you want to see in bicycle manufacturers web sites?

    Me:

    Videos of rear suspension working under the rider in the terrain where the bike is meant to be ridden,
    This video from GIANT is an example for something like that:
    http://www.pinkbike.com/video/218823/

    a video where you can see the frame from the side, front, and back.
    Where you can see how the rear suspension works on square edge hits, small bumps, and so on...
    Where you can see the stiffness of the rear, if it flex when you corner and how much.

    Well you probably understand what I mean :)

    What do you think?
    Do you want to add to the list?
     

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    You can't really tell dick all looking at a video of the shock hitting bumbs. You need the displacement/time record (provided by a datalogger and linear displacement probe/laser/whathaveyou) and you pair that with a shock dyno graph and you get your forces.

    What you can tell from a video sometimes is lack of rebound damping (only apparent with a nice side view in slow motion and good quality) and bottomout, not much else.

    Also, gearboxes, grease nipples everyfrackingwhere (mainly pivots and one between oil and dust seal on fork and shock) more carbonz. A Pinion carbon Nomad....just ****ing do it Santacruz!
     
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  4. HardtailHack

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    Why didn't they wait for DW to do it and steal his video?

    I don't really see any positive points of the video, everything is smooth in super slow-mo.

    I did like the suspension movement animation on the old Corsair website, you could click the rear axle point and move the suspension through it's travel.
     
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    Delivery in 2 weeks. :D
     
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    How about building some bikes back here in the states? You know, build a factory, hire some skilled workers, build some beautiful frames, keep sharp tabs on QA, learn more from having manufacturing on site, apply knowledge... Kind of like that Chris King guy.
     
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    Carbon AM Zerode with 170mm of travel.



    And prices of bike parts to go down!! $10k bikes is getting out of hand.
     
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    And end up with bikes that look like they have been welded by drunken paraplegics ala Intense?
     
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    You'll notice I didn't mention Intense...
     
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    consolidation of brands, and industry-wide standards.

    4 o 5 big brands (at most), selling reliable bikes for decent prices.
     
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  12. iRider

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    Tell that to this guy:

     
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    - More Carbon 150mm Bikes with adaptable dropouts to accomodate 650b OR 26" Wheels
    - Cheaper Wide Carbon Rims to accomodate above
    - Better dropper post internal cable routing
    - Space Magnets
     
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    Weld quality dependent on if you got the first frame of the morning after the welder rode in on a Harley hardtail...
     
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    Why would you want this?

    This would not help keep prices down from a market standpoint, nor would it help our options as riders...

    I'd like to see more boutique brands personally. Brands that are more than design firms sending CAD files to Taiwan.
     
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  18. Nick

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    I want websites with MOAR FLASH!

    Simple easy to navigate websites filled with useful information are so lame. I'm looking for something with so many animations and pretty pictures that I just wander around in a daze clicking on stuff till my eyes fall out.

    Here's a good example of what I want to see!

    http://www.jimcarrey.com/

    My point? Flash = shimz of the interweb.
     
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  21. Sandwich

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    The corsair animation was pretty neat. Maybe a flash animation showing the size of the bump or terrain, and the expected reaction from the suspension? Maybe a "virtual tuning" station?

    From the manufacturers themselves...budget options that let people get into the sport or people who would otherwise have rented buy.
     
  22. Electric_City

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    Bring jobs back to the USA. Our shop used to carry Ross out of Allentown, Pa. Bill would call and tell them what size and color we wanted. If they didn't have them in stock the guys at Ross would tell him that they'll get "Joe" to paint some red ones. They'd assemble them there too. You could pick them up yourself and walk through the factory while you're there and give them feedback! It took less than a week. If you needed a part you didn't hear "we don't make it anymore" or "we won't have any for another 4 months". In 1996 My Trek 930 rigid w/STX cost $530 The frame was made in the USA! It lasted me 15years. Now the companies say they NEED to make them overseas to keep the cost down for consumers on $10,000 bikes! Fuch you Trek, Sants Cruz, Cannondale...

    Standardize seat post, these new STUPID bb's (5 new ones?), wheel sizes (142, really?), cassettes (9spd was enough) just offer different ratios.
     
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    Oops.

    I guess I don't have strong website desires. Yeti's is nice though.
     
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    "Things you would like to see from bicycle manufacturers" says the title of this thread. :rolleyes:
     
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    Good guides for bike setup and overall guides. Lists of shops. Geo. Proper sizing suggestions. Real frame weight. Shock suggestions. Responding to frame issues (ie. like the 951 that didn't clear some cranks). A vid for every frame like banshee would be nice
     
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    AM Frames that can run air or coil shocks. It's not that hard...
     
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    - Geometry at recommended sag amount
    - Suspension leverage curve, using standardized x and y axis units
    - Wheel rate curve for each shock option the frame is offered with
     
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    Web sites or better web sites (yes you 2 know who you are)
    prices to come down a bit
    industry standards to stay where they are at and companies to stop making new ones ie. Bb, integrated stems!
    Actual weights no more peak power adds like car audio
    A bit more focus on customer and less on the customers money, if its a good product it will sell but take care of the person ....I'm sure economy and tighter budgets have something to do with the urgency but being a bit personal and relaxing a smidge can go a long ways...
     
  29. jackalope

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    Definitely would like to see geo at sag as mentioned above, as well as more 26/650b options like the new Banshee Spitfire offers.

    And not frame related, but it'd be great to see a lot more 140-150mm SC forks with 34-36mm stanchions with a 20mm axel.
     
  30. EVRAC

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    Quoted for truth. 170 would be a great number. Hope it's not the 6" originally promised.
    Di2 Alfine on it would be sweet, or some new dedicated custom gearbox module, like the Pinion unit, but mounted up at the pivot.
     
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    Woops, didn't see that about web sites either.
     
  32. dump

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    If only there were more headtube, wheelsize and bb standards.
     
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    Would be awesome if more websites provided baseline settings for shock tunes/setup for their frames. I'd also like if they provided linkage files, but can see why they wouldn't.
     
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    Bike frame/component manufacturers pay a percentage of my mortgage so I can buy moar stuff.
     
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    I would like to see the huge amount of r&d money taken away from mtb for all those years while being given to drug riddled roadies put back into our awesome sport.
     
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    To the guys wishing for sagged geo, enlighten me. 98% of dh bikes are 8-8.5" of travel with a few going over 9" and most run around 30% sag. What is sagged geo going to tell you that you cannot glean from static geo numbers? The only thing I can think of that would be interesting would be the change in chainstay length and given the pivot location on most bikes I doubt that would vary much. Most people don't even set up their bikes with the proper sag anyhow.
    To the guys whinging about standards, I wish you had to ride a bike with cantilever brakes, a 1" threaded steerer tubed fork, a 68mm square taper BB, 130mm rear hub spacing, toe clips, thumb shifters, and a 25.4mm seatpost. :think:
     
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    Suspension leverage curve is different for each frame, therefore the distance that the wheel travels to reach 30% sag isn't consistent between frames even with the same amount of travel. I set my bikes up with proper sag.
     
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    Sure, but by how much? Pretty small numbers I would imagine - like single digit mm's.
    So do I but I don't think most people do.
     
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    Yeah, let's bring those back too! We can't have enough!
     
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