[manhattanprjkt83]

Well yesterday’s sovereign (god that is hard to spell) and chameleon talk that was nested in the ipod nano thread got me thinking about swapping out. I did a number to number comparison on the evil vs the SC and to my surprise they are almost identical. The only difference is that the evil is about .5 lbs heavier. I would be using this bike for almost completely XC/Trail riding around here, but our XC trails are very tech and tight. I am going on 6 years riding a Chameleon and love the bike but im thinking that a basically steel version would be incredible not to mention the EVIL quality. I also have a DOC as a street bike so this would make going back and fourth a breeze.

The components i am running on my XC bike are

fox vanilla fork 05'
Hope mini monos
Sram x.o stuff
Thompson stem/seat post
mavic crossmax enduro cranks
Shimano xt cranks without a big ring.
Carbon oversized bars
I run a Larson 2.3 in the back and a intense 2.3 front tire... just so you can get an idea of the build.

If I do decide to go with the evil the next decision would be the color, i think it would either be silver or green

Comments anyone???

 

[DRB]

So change for change's sake? And .5lb more weight.

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

yeah but the chameleon can be a jack hammer on these east coast rocks i think the .5 might be worth it.

oh it will cost me another $300

 

[MMcG]

could you run another DOC as a trail bike? or would the geometry be whacked? Still a steel frame, pretty much the same weight as the Sovereign isn't it? and about $350 less expensive than the Sovereign isn't it?

 

[BMXman]

could you run another DOC as a trail bike? or would the geometry be whacked? Still a steel frame, pretty much the same weight as the Sovereign isn't it? and about $350 less expensive than the Sovereign isn't it?

exactly what I was thinking...D

 

[MMcG]

exactly what I was thinking...D

Great Minds and all that stuff right D!?

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

I think im going for the uber bling here...i like my DOC for beating up on the street, but there is just something on the sovereign

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

i guess im not that worried about spending the extra 300 in order to have a killer steel frame for years to come...

 

[SkaredShtles]

So change for change's sake? And .5lb more weight.

Not just for change's sake. It's apparently for BLING sake too.

 

[MMcG]

sounds like you've made up your mind - but my vote would be for the metallic blue color!

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

Not just for change's sake. It's apparently for BLING sake too.

yeah i have a platinum grill.

 

[SkaredShtles]

yeah i have a platinum grill.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present for your amusement:

Stoney Junior

 

[LOOnatic]

Nah i say Stoney has a pretty good lead on all comers. :eviltongu

 

[SkaredShtles]

Nah i say Stoney has a pretty good lead on all comers. :eviltongu

Ummm... note the "Junior" attachment.

Maybe we could call him Stoney in Training.

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

stoney is pretty young isnt he? Hey i saw eye to eye with him in the euro hawk thread. :dancing:

 

[SkaredShtles]

stoney is pretty young isnt he? Hey i saw eye to eye with him in the euro hawk thread. :dancing:

Age has *nothing* to do with it, man.........

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

Age has *nothing* to do with it, man.........

quit derailing my frickin thread...

so i cant find those pics of that green sovereign that were floating around...anyone know where they are?

 

[Toshi]

so your thread is about how you've decided to buy a sovereign since it's "bling", and how you sympathize with stoney98. what's there to derail?

 

[SkaredShtles]

so your thread is about how you've decided to buy a sovereign since it's "bling", and how you sympathize with stoney98. what's there to derail?

Well put.

Here - I'll officially derail it.

I found a picture of Stoney and manhattanprjkt83. I leave it up to the reader to identify each:

 

[BMXman]

quit derailing my frickin thread...

so i cant find those pics of that green sovereign that were floating around...anyone know where they are?

Mike D has one..I think it's the best color...I have a pic of it but it's too big to post (800KB)....you can send me your email addy and I'll send it to you...D

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

william.kirk@gmail.com


hook me up!

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present for your amusement:

Stoney Junior

rest asure i will not post pics obscure pics of my girlfriend in an odd shadow or compromising position with other males.

 

[BMXman]

william.kirk@gmail.com


hook me up!

on it's way...D

 

[stevew]

Well put.

Here - I'll officially derail it.

I found a picture of Stoney and manhattanprjkt83. I leave it up to the reader to identify each:

Picture poacher.

The joy of myspace.

 

[SkaredShtles]

rest asure i will not post pics obscure pics of my girlfriend in an odd shadow or compromising position with other males.

Well, you are a "Junior" so you have some time and practice ahead of you to get to Stoney's level.

 

[kidwoo]

yeah but the chameleon can be a jack hammer on these east coast rocks i think the .5 might be worth it.

The sovereign is not exactly "plush" you know. Evil's steel frames are easily as stiff as most aluminum ones. Given I've only ridden a DOC and sovereign on dirtjumps and slalom track stuff but they're both pretty darn stiff in the cornering/landing sideways departments.

 

[SkaredShtles]

The sovereign is not exactly "plush" you know. Evil's steel frames are easily as stiff as most aluminum ones. Given I've only ridden a DOC and sovereign on dirtjumps and slalom track stuff but they're both pretty darn stiff in the cornering/landing sideways departments.

Maybe we should explain to the n00b that it's not the material, but the design that's important.

 

[DRB]

The sovereign is not exactly "plush" you know. Evil's steel frames are easily as stiff as most aluminum ones. Given I've only ridden a DOC and sovereign on dirtjumps and slalom track stuff but they're both pretty darn stiff in the cornering/landing sideways departments.

Do people come up to you and just yell "WOO" at you? I would.

 

[SkaredShtles]

Do people come up to you and just yell "WOO" at you? I would.

Take your damn negativity somewhere else.