This Carbon thing is getting out of hand
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Blame it on Alex.
I think it's rad.
Their site is crap for me right now. Not worky. Ill post it when they give it up on the local forums.
The bar seems heavy-ish though. Compared to Syntance/Easton/Enve.
You mean outta hand like that aluminum "thing"? 
I hate alu. Im still shocked we use cro-mo over brassYou mean outta hand like that aluminum "thing"?
btw. Id gladly test it though the fury is closer to my hart
Im 'afraid' it will brush it off like an alu frame can only dream of.
Why is it the engineers have its back, and we even have at least one season of pros beating the crap out of the current offerings, yet joe everyday has some superior insight into the 'dangers of carbon'
Anything you can do to an Alu frame I can do 2x harder to my V10c, and be 1/10th as worried about the outcome. (Drop it, jump it, case it, hit it with a hammer - it will bounce off unmarked, where your alu will dent, crease, fail...)
Stop with the silly. Do they make Bulletproof vests with alu? nope.
I just thought i'd let you know that i got this.
And yeah - why can't someone (read: Bike Co) pay him some money to be a mad scientist again.
Let me know when you hit your aluminium frame with a hammer. Would love to see that. Seriously.
I will buy a v10c and do it when you do the same to your alu frame. The carbonz hits rokz crakacraka, me sad thing is silly. What do you mean eat it? Crash on a sharp rock? Yeah because alu frames take it like no other...
Why everyone on the internet likes the newzzz but when its carbon everybody is like - **** I almost screwed my mother but Im not getting back to my delorian, I love my 2001.
PS. 3.0kg carbon frame has me worried but Im pretty sure the fury at 3.5kg w/o shock would be enough to club a baby cow to death.
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The fallacy in this logic is that it presumes you can know everything about the extent of the damage just by looking at it. As many composites engineers will tell you, this is not so.
But hey, the consumers who can tell if a carbon frame is ok after bouncing off a rock are the same ones who can tell the quality and strength of an aluminum frame just by looking at the welds. If they look good, they certainly must be good!
Seriously I like how you go all brainiac on me and assume what I think. I was pointing out the same fallacy in your thinking you now want to point out in mine so stop being a hypocrite.
Guys we get it, some of you like carbon. Some of you like alu and some of you wouldn't be seen dead riding anything other than steel.
No one is forcing you to buy any of them so stop whining and be glad there's a choice of high end rigs to pick from.
No one is forcing you to buy any of them so stop whining and be glad there's a choice of high end rigs to pick from.
Whoa whoa whoa. Not trying to get you all riled up. Sheesh. This carbon stuff is srs busineess!
do the use CF?
Cop out #1
Why did you bother? What your saying is nonsense, Its 'bunk' - no I wont intentionally hit my own frame with a hammer, yes its stronger than whatever frame you have. Why dont you read up on the testing cycles and how they're several times what causes alu frames to fail, why dont you pay attention to the facts and not your personal uninformed prejudices?
The people who naysay carbon at this point are stuboorn curmudgeons, its not a matter of like, its a matter of when are you going to get it through your thick head.
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Okay so Kevlar is an Aramid fiber...shut up.do the use CF?
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wonder if would be beneficial at all to use a carbon/kevlar mix in a frame
People can like what they want, just not talk out of their caboose nonsense based on 7th party conjecture from some guy they knew who broke a 5 year old carbon seatpost that weighed 89 grams.
Heck, the wonderbike has an alu swingarm, Carbon didnt fit the bill - not perfect for everything.
I think the kevlar has a tendency to deform plastically in a way that doesnt recover enough, where the CF does but has a greater chance of shear and penetration.
Maybe a hybrid, an 'alloy' cretaed in a garage somewhere in PA.
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Cop out #2.
No marketing, reality. Where does your info come from? Guessing? Aside from the technical data, and my own experience, as well as that of many others, I also saw steve peat nose out crash a 30mph 15' drop to flat at Windham - no shattered frame, sissy carbon cant take a crash no? Oh, just one crash - dont know what happened later -- so I could suppose the worse, or notice the obvious.
Carry on yourself.
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Speaking at length with an individual who has designed both the structures and manufacutring techniques for many different composite aerospace and industrial products over the last 30 years.
Sorry, but I trust him more than I do you, and the bike industry that is trying to sell me their latest and greatest.
I want a chromoly frame!!! That way I can hit it with a hammer while crashing in the rocks!!!!
Literally I do want a chromo bike.... 1 bike good geo 170mm travel and be done....
Nice looking bike BTW and carbon is pretty stout, theres always going to be arguments between the 2 look at the front of certain bikes cracking off and they are aluminum and still sell really well...
Literally I do want a chromo bike.... 1 bike good geo 170mm travel and be done....Nice looking bike BTW and carbon is pretty stout, theres always going to be arguments between the 2 look at the front of certain bikes cracking off and they are aluminum and still sell really well...
When GT Furys and V10c's start breaking, Ill start thinking about it!I want a chromoly frame!!! That way I can hit it with a hammer while crashing in the rocks!!!!
Nice looking bike BTW and carbon is pretty stout, theres always going to be arguments between the 2 look at the front of certain bikes cracking off and they are aluminum and still sell really well...
'Speaking at length with an individual...' - I have had this discussion with a breadth of qualified people, engineers (Including my own Pop, whom I trust more than your random individual) over the years, and NONE of them have ever had any doubt to applying CF/Thermoplastics to bicycle frames, on up to CF bladed turbines. Nonsense.
Latest and greatest, good for you - hop on your Trek 830 and friction shifters and get with disdaining progress some more.
Nonsense.
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If Doc would get the SuperCo's out the door, I would be on that instead of this Carbon for sure.I want a chromoly frame!!! That way I can hit it with a hammer while crashing in the rocks!!!!
Nice looking bike BTW and carbon is pretty stout, theres always going to be arguments between the 2 look at the front of certain bikes cracking off and they are aluminum and still sell really well...
The only Steel bikes I like are made by Mr. Boudreaux, and Ill take one (if he'll make an XL...) over anything else!!
Haha one would think you'd be more happy with that V10C sitting in your garage. Go ride it or something.