YEAH XL bikes are few and far as well as big guys make big bikes look tiny....LOL
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This Carbon thing is getting out of hand
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properly built (ie, w/ adequate thickness), carbon can easily have better impact strength than aluminum at a given weight. I'm on my 5th year on my lahar, and the thing has survived all sorts of rock strikes, crashes & scrapes unscathed (yes, even the super thin flex stays & low hanging pivot have been scraped over & bashed into lots of rocks w/o fail). as a point of comparison, this frame weighs 9 lbs flat with shock (no gearhub or floater though). I'm a big believer in the stuff. in all likelihood, a good chunk of high end dh frames will eventually be made of the stuff given the advantages.
I can haz carbon fiber jediz?
Moar antagonism fail.
Im riding my ancient VPF until all the shiny noo stuff shows up for the V10c which sits in my living room - no fancy new fangled garages.
Gridds?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Toowoomba-Australia/Tramontane-Cycles/106494828315 Goto my videos.
So after I performed this test I sectioned the frame (jigsawed it in half) to inspect the inside (as anyone who knows a thing or 2 knows it is what you can't see on a carbon frame that is scariest).
No problems at all.
V10C with its similar wall thicknesses would fair the same I would guess.
By the way, my frames are thick, and all the structural bits are protected by a layer of "absorbing material" and then a further 2 layers of cloth. Rocks dont scare me.
Sorry for the spam.
And before you pay out on my video.
Yes I had been drinking
Yes the table is a bit bouncy
Yes I could have used a bigger hammer.
But all the same, try that with a ally frame.
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u mad bro?
I didn't see this frame commin' :O
I'm a big fan of CF frames. I like mode V10c than Fury, though. New Antidote is as pretty as SC. I hope it has been tested properly and will have price a the similar level as SC.
I'd like to see more CF DH bikes from big manufacturer, such as Specialized, Trek and Giant.
I'm a big fan of CF frames. I like mode V10c than Fury, though. New Antidote is as pretty as SC. I hope it has been tested properly and will have price a the similar level as SC.
I'd like to see more CF DH bikes from big manufacturer, such as Specialized, Trek and Giant.
Polish guys are progressing much faster than some US/Asia guys ? Nevermind, I want that bike! Norbar, how has the current Antidote frame been selling? I didn't see much adverts and news about it since the nasty split with english distributor.hows the math on that frame???
Antidote is small manufacturer making frames under order.I didn't see this frame commin' :O
I'm a big fan of CF frames. I like mode V10c than Fury, though. New Antidote is as pretty as SC. I hope it has been tested properly and will have price a the similar level as SC.
I'd like to see more CF DH bikes from big manufacturer, such as Specialized, Trek and Giant.
Frames are available
Antidote have distributors in France Germany Spain and Australia from what I know.
for other country best is to write info@antidotebikes.com and you can order directly.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Toowoomba-Australia/Tramontane-Cycles/106494828315 Goto my videos.
So after I performed this test I sectioned the frame (jigsawed it in half) to inspect the inside (as anyone who knows a thing or 2 knows it is what you can't see on a carbon frame that is scariest).
No problems at all.
V10C with its similar wall thicknesses would fair the same I would guess.
By the way, my frames are thick, and all the structural bits are protected by a layer of "absorbing material" and then a further 2 layers of cloth. Rocks dont scare me.
Sorry for the spam.
And before you pay out on my video.
Yes I had been drinking
Yes the table is a bit bouncy
Yes I could have used a bigger hammer.
But all the same, try that with a ally frame.
Here they use Vectran to protect the frames.
btw. With that I know a smart guy - go to dirt one issue back and read what leading bike eng. think about carbon. Easton guys are prob the best material guys in the business (not only bike as from what Ive been told their bow arrows are also bombproof
) and if they are for it Im for it over some mythical mr. smarty pants.140mm version
170mm - 14.7kg.
Light 170mm frame with full bos susp? Who do I have to kill
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any info on the pricing of these frames? weird, i read the dirt article on the antidote proto some time ago and thought they never got beyond proto stage.
Nope. The UK distributor who used to spam RM with bad grammar flaked but the company is still there. 2190 euro I think was the price for the alu version.
@Brzoskwin - I forgot about the warranty. Now I have no worries
Very small numbers for now.
As for the bar. 8deg for a wide bar? If its carbon + vectran Im really interested but Id like more backsweep in wide bars tbh. 9 is standard but 10 deg gravity flat felt really nice.
Paging Gridds....Gridds, please report to this thread.
I thought these guys failed miserably to actually bring there bikes to market (aka the bad-grammar-distributor in Uk-land). Are they trying to pull an evil and go carbon for the paint is dry on their ****ty aluminum bikes?
Their bikes have been in a few places for a year in alu. No cracking problems known like with the evil. The only negative was the crazy distributor but its not like bigger companies dont have retards for distris too
didn't know whether it was on his end or theirs, but he sure made it sound like they were the bad guy.
Dig the bike, carbon sure is neat....but I guess I'm the only person that thinks DH bikes should be LESS expensive, not more. I can't understand why, say, a high end trail bike costs $1000 less than a high end dh frame, when the only difference as of late is the amount of travel...
For a tiny company, sure, but for a full-line trek or giant or santa cruz, the price differential makes you think...
Dig the bike, carbon sure is neat....but I guess I'm the only person that thinks DH bikes should be LESS expensive, not more. I can't understand why, say, a high end trail bike costs $1000 less than a high end dh frame, when the only difference as of late is the amount of travel...
For a tiny company, sure, but for a full-line trek or giant or santa cruz, the price differential makes you think...
production quantities.
by the looks of it, i like the alu frame a lot. but i´ve never seen it in the flesh, so that doesn´t account for anything. and the website sucks, there is nothing to be seen, no geo, etc.
so until now some small polish company is in the process of putting some protos through their paces, no info on availability, pricing, warranty, weight, etc...
relevant to my interests -> yes
am i interested -> yes, but no...
so until now some small polish company is in the process of putting some protos through their paces, no info on availability, pricing, warranty, weight, etc...
relevant to my interests -> yes
am i interested -> yes, but no...
hahahaha get out of here. I think you should meet a smart guy and talk to him.
Anyway I'm curious about how the carbon v10's and such will live out their lives. Composites are no more abrasion resistant than the materials they are comprised of, which means the skin of your CF bike is only as tough as the resin. If it uses enough laminations you can run the frame over with a truck, but it's still a brittle plastic bike, and clattering on the rocks is going to chip it and scrape it and have tufts of fraying fabric sticking out all over the place. Maybe it'll be fine to ride that way but resale value?
The rear triangle on the V10 is aluminum because it's going to hit more rocks and things than the main triangle, end of story. I still hit plenty of rocks w/ my main triangle though, so I don't think it's for me.
who's the german distributor?
if the price is right, i sort of want the carbon DH frame
if the price is right, i sort of want the carbon DH frame
I'm wasn't going to dignify that, but I need to up my post count, apparently. I'm sorry for coming across as antagonistic, I don't know you. Maybe you were saying something that made sense and it just came out wrong. That's as much slack I can give.
Why defend one material so zealously? I like carbon a lot, I think it has a place on bikes, up to trail bikes, even slack ones. I'm very hard on my DH equipment though, and carbon would be a bad investment, personally. Science and reality say it's plastic, and while the structural qualities can be stellar, the durability and finish will always be plastic. I'm not saying it will break necessarily, I'm saying it will get chewed up. The end.
Why defend one material so zealously? I like carbon a lot, I think it has a place on bikes, up to trail bikes, even slack ones. I'm very hard on my DH equipment though, and carbon would be a bad investment, personally. Science and reality say it's plastic, and while the structural qualities can be stellar, the durability and finish will always be plastic. I'm not saying it will break necessarily, I'm saying it will get chewed up. The end.
I could not agree more. A lot of knowledge there that is not being harnessed.
This. Trail bikes sell in more volume. Thus tooling, development, etc costs get spread over fewer DH bikes. Hence the higher price.
Edit: This obviously isn't true across the board at all, but there are a bunch of DH bikes that have more complex and fancy machining and/or tube manipulation going on that about any trail bike I can think of. Think the shock tunnel on a Legend/ Jedi, for example.
Agreed. Not to mention with an intelligent design you can get the weight well below aluminum while being stronger, and with 3x the fatigue life. And surface damage isn't potentially as problematic as with a composite.
Also I would be careful about the assumption that WC racers are like you and I where we build one bike at the beginning of the year and only replace something once it is broken beyond repair. I know for a fact that this is not true in WC racing, and is not exclusively the case in any other form of professional motorsports, for example.
OMG want. More info?140mm version
I love my steel DH bike. It rides great, weight is reasonable, and when it cracked all it took was a little touch up weld and it's good to go again.
Saying carbon fiber is plastic is insanely generic. That's like saying you have a bike made out of metal. Doesn't really mean a whole lot.
It also doesn't hold any water in "reality". "Plastics" (technically correct term: polymers) have such an insanely wide scope of possible functional performance characteristics that if you're going to rule it out as a material for any particular application just because its "plastic", then I know a Nigerian prince who needs your help.