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Thank You, America
Arab News | June 18, 2005 | Muhammad Al-Sheikh | Al-Jazirah

What have the Arabs given us Saudis in comparison to what we have gained from our relations with America? I know very well that this is an extremely sensitive issue that many would hesitate to address; they are restrained by a culture of fear that prevents them from confronting controversial and sensitive issues head-on.

The late King Abdul Aziz, the founder of modern Saudi Arabia, was a resourceful and far-sighted statesman when he chose the Americans rather than the British to come and search for oil in the Kingdom. He did so despite Britain at the time being an important force in the region with its colonies and dependencies surrounding the infant kingdom. The politics of the time plus the colonial legacies of both Britain and France made King Abdul Aziz distance himself from them and look to the New World.

Not long after the Americans and their expertise arrived, oil was gushing from beneath the desert sands and the development of the modern Saudi state began. Following World War II, the Arab countries had to choose between the two different world systems — communism or capitalism. King Abdul Aziz chose capitalism, the West and America in particular. Thanks to this relationship that has lasted for more than six decades, we Saudis were able to invest oil revenues in building our country. King Abdul Aziz laid the foundations for a consistent Saudi foreign policy that held the Kingdom’s interests above other considerations.

These are the reasons why the Kingdom flourished while other countries went down or teetered on the verge of collapsing. Those countries bet on the wrong horse and did not realize that survival lies in economic development and modernization. They chose to confine themselves in a cocoon and remain isolated from the rest of the world, blinded by the illusions of nationalism and other false ideologies. It was indeed very strange to hear those fragile regimes labeling themselves progressive while calling us reactionary.

We must admit that our relations with America were the cornerstone for our development and progress. In return, we must ask what we have gained from our relations with the Arab world. Speaking frankly and unequivocally, all we got from them was trouble. Our brothers, as they call themselves, conspired against us, attacked us and used all the means at their disposal to derail our plans for unity.

History has proven that Arab nationalism is a destructive ideology. We, Saudis, must set our priorities and carefully read history to extract its lessons while, at the same time, endeavoring to build something new that does not take anything for granted — as has been the case in the past — but that thoroughly debates and analyzes everything. We must rely on an ideology that treats the national interests of this country as the top priority.

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Silver

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Wait, the Saudis are capitalist now?

I don't know how you can post **** like this, honestly. Have you ever heard of Aramco?

I don't know why I even bother.
 

$tinkle

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you do know that Arab News is a subversive zionist propaganda rag - in essence a middle east version of the Onion, right?
 

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'Arab News' is, as $tinkle points out, a fairly pro-America publication. Most of the 'stories' on the front page manage to gloss over or completely omit massive chunks of inconvenient reality. The story on how things are going in Iraq for example, makes no mention of the number of Iraqi casualites or the damage to Iraqi quality of life and infrastucture, or the effect any of this has on how things are going in Iraq. In fact it doesn't really address the question it poses at all... :think:
 
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That's satire, right :confused:

bin Laden = Saudi Arabia

Most of Sept.11 hijackers = Saudi Arabia

Wahabism = Saudi Arabia

Royalty funding terrorism = Saudi Arabia

Exporting fundementalism to other Muslim countries/madrassas = Saudi Arabia

Burning schools with buring school girls = Saudi Arabia

Non democratic = Saudi Arabia

Massive foreign debt = Saudi Arabia

mass unemployment = Saudi Arabia

How can a country with so much wealth have so much poverty? .....ooh that's right Autocracy/monarchism!

Yes, saudi arabia is suuuuch a shining beacon, God knows the UAE have never done anything likewise with Turkey.

As I said....satire right :confused:
 

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Damn True said:
er....I think the point was that somone in that environment would not be well received having offered up the posted editorial.
Mr. Muhammad Al-Sheikh say hello to Salman Rushdie.
They appear to be based in Jeddah, but I'd bet good money that it's hosted in the US. I have the IP table but I just can't be fagged to look it up.
 

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Silver

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Damn True said:
er....I think the point was that somone in that environment would not be well received having offered up the posted editorial.
Mr. Muhammad Al-Sheikh say hello to Salman Rushdie.
Let me take you on a tour:

See that Al-Jazirah beside the author's name? That's not a misspelling of Al-Jazeera, which is out of Qatar. Al-Jazirah is a Saudi newspaper. Let's get that out of the way first.

Now, a quick little search before I made my first comment on this thread turned up this little nugget from the bbc:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4148009.stm

Let me put in a very relevant part:

All newspapers are privately owned, but their publishers and editors are appointed or must be approved by the government. Papers based in Saudi Arabia have to obtain a royal decree to operate. Although in principle there is no legal restriction on freedom of expression in the kingdom, censorship is strict, and criticism of the government and Islam is automatically barred.

Editors and journalists are aware that any expression of opposition to or criticism of the government in general, and members of the ruling Al-Saud family in particular, is not accepted or tolerated.

This constitutes the most difficult challenge facing journalists in Saudi Arabia, where every word is monitored and scrutinised in a heavily censored atmosphere. Papers are directly or indirectly controlled by a member of the ruling family, or by people close to them.

Recently the Saudi government has attempted to appear less in control. Newspapers have reported on previously taboo subjects such as political, economic and educational reform, women's rights, corruption, and religion.


Ok, so we've got that out of the way. Now, re-read the editorial again, but put yourself into the shoes of someone working for the Saudi government (which, as I'm sure we all know, is the Saudi royal family.) The Saudi government is pro-American, because American support is the only thing keeping them in charge.

And, just like that, it makes sense that you have an editorial warning against the dangers of Pan-Arabism and praising the Saudi royal family's relationship with the American government.

In conclusion, he's a Saudi government stooge.
 

Damn True

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Between a rock and a hard place.
In conclusion, he's a Saudi government stooge.
Wouldn't that make him persona non-grata among those who support theocratic Arab rule?

That whole deal is such a mess. You have the wacko's like Bin Laden who on one hand vilify any allegience with the US yet are funded by bigwigs in Saudi Arabia which is publicly giving a BJ to the US. Then there's the theocratic/islamofacist types who want to see Taliban-esque rule that are funded by covert islamics within "mainstream" mosques pretending to uphold the right, true and peacefull doctrine of the koran while supporting groups that clearly and openly defile exactly that which they claim to be fighting for.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! Sometimes the Isolationism of Harding, Coolidge and Hoover looks attractive.
 

Silver

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Damn True said:
Wouldn't that make him persona non-grata among those who support theocratic Arab rule?
Maybe, but he's low enough on the totem pole that it won't matter. There are thousands of members of the royal family that will be against the wall before this guy when the revolution comes. (That's not a prediction, merely an illustration.) Plus, the theocrats know very well that ****ing with the Saudi royal family isn't tolerated.
 

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Between a rock and a hard place.
Silver said:
Maybe, but he's low enough on the totem pole that it won't matter. There are thousands of members of the royal family that will be against the wall before this guy when the revolution comes. (That's not a prediction, merely an illustration.) Plus, the theocrats know very well that ****ing with the Saudi royal family isn't tolerated.
Damn true.
 
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Damn True said:
er....I think the point was that somone in that environment would not be well received having offered up the posted editorial.
Mr. Muhammad Al-Sheikh say hello to Salman Rushdie.
I chose to post on content rather than intent I suppose. I guess most countries have their version of Fox News in some shape or form. I haven't been there and can't say I have too much of a knowledge about the place but I would very much like to understand what the majority of common people think of their leaders and western influence. Same for DPRK.