[SylentK]

I like Tour de France too
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Greetings from Åre bikepark, Sweden

By the way, some crazy watts Poggi is pulling. Here is an attempt to explain how he could beat Pantani who at the time was riding high as a kite...

https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/plateau-de-beille-pantani-vs-pogacar-what-difference-did-modern-bike-tech-make/

Dude. Creme Fraiche?! Where'd you get that sticker? You know that's a South Park reference. As in "I want to pepper the shit out of that"

If I remember the episode correctly. Classic.

 

[Toshi]

Indeed! The sport has become much more professional since Pantani's days. Still, Poggi is so superior to the others: beating climbers at their own game, attacking several days in a raw and showing no sign of fatigue. It makes me wonder... Hopefully it is just me being kind of jealous of his good shape: after a week at the bikepark my body is shattered and I need painkillers to sleep

Yeah its like another sport or something hey. I assume he's either got some genetic advantage, he's got some weird training tangent that works, or he's on juice. Given the testing regime and scrutiny he's under, if he can get away with it I'm almost impressed.

Pogačar's coach on Tour de France preparations: 'He was so fit in May I told him to have a week off'

Huge capacity for recovery, self-regulation, and a lack of quarantine unlocks Pogačar's yellow jersey, says coach.

velo.outsideonline.com

from 2020, the prophecy already being foretold:

San Millan, a Spanish physiologist based at the University of Colorado School of Medicine, and who has worked with Team Garmin, says Pogačar’s huge capacity for recovery is in the blood. Having developed a test to assess capacity for recovery and resilience to fatigue by analyzing an individual’s mitochondrial function, use of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins, San Millan was confident in sending such a young rider into the hardest races in the world.

“In those [metabolic] measurements Tadej, compared to already very good cyclists, is on another level,” San Millan said. “For this reason, we were not afraid to take him to La Vuelta so young, because with that fantastic capacity for recovery there was no risk of melting him.”

 

[trib]

I like that Pogacar runs short 170mm cranks, there about to be plenty of 175mm Dura Ace cranksets for sale.

 

[Lelandjt]

I like that Pogacar runs short 170mm cranks, there about to be plenty of 175mm Dura Ace cranksets for sale.

He's now on 165!

 

[trib]

He’ll be on 145s by Christmas if he keeps this rate up.

 

[slimshady]

 

[Gary]

I applaud Sean for using "They" twice in the same sentence grammatically correctly as apposed to modern nonsensically.

 

[slyfink]

why do you have to bring that up here? can't you just accept that some people would rather be called something else? what's so hard about that?

 

[Gary]

An English lesson from an American Youtuber?

Er... no thanks

"Thou" "thee" "ye" and "you" actually made perfect grammatical sense. And the first 3 still do if talking in Shakespearean English
Hijacking the the words "they" and "them" and expecting others to use them for your own personal mental health disorder inspired fantasy persona doesn't suddenly make it grammatically correct.
By explaining the word "we" later in the video she actually gives a fairly decent example of why using "they" "them" to describe a singular is wrong.

But. Yeah. Why bring it up here? fair enough.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

An English lesson from an American Youtuber?

Er... no thanks

"Thou" "thee" "ye" and "you" actually made perfect grammatical sense. And the first 3 still do if talking in Shakespearean English
Hijacking the the words "they" and "them" and expecting others to use them for your own personal mental health disorder inspired fantasy persona doesn't suddenly make it grammatically correct.
By explaining the word "we" later in the video she actually shows a fairly decent exactly of why using "they" "them" to describe a singular is wrong.

But. Yeah. Why bring it up here? fair enough.

We? Ew.

 

[Jm_]

Shakespeare needs subtitles.

 

[HardtailHack]

Shakespeare needs subtitles.

And a kick in the dick.

 

[mykel]

PhD in Linguistics says...

 

[rideit]

And a kick in the dick.

I doubt there is much of it left, but I admire your ambition.

 

[Gary]

Oooohh I love a game of PhD bingo...

Cunt took a huge THIRTEEN mins to pop it in there... But seeing as his entire video was condescending AF still scores highly.
"Cunt" Has been used for centuries as a pronoun in Scotland BTW. Often as a term of enderement rather than a slur in much the same way many Australasians use it, (sharing a wideness of use with another controversial word this cunt mentioned). While the word "Youse" is an everyday term here. Used simply to describe a bunch of folk. That aren't me. Ie. You (plural). NEVER used as a singular pronoun.
On the whole. I do agree with him. I'm not going to start using the term "I could care less" either. Because it's fucking dumb. Hopefully he'd be with me on this too.

 

[HardtailHack]

I doubt there is much of it left, but I admire your ambition.

I'd like to think that the poetry heavy year at school was the one I got last in class, lord I was(am) shit with the Englishes.

Back to what's right with the industry, Smoove is my favourite chain lube since the original Ice wax was still on the market.

 

[Gary]

Tell me you don't ride in the wet without telling me!

Fenwicks all conditions is my favourite all weather wet lube. It's fairly clean and non sticky.
Least favourite for the exact opposite reasons would be Peaty's "minty" link lube. Honestly.Toothpaste would probably pick up less gunk. There's probably none in Yorkshire though.

 

[HardtailHack]

Tell me you don't ride in the wet without telling me!

Fenwicks all conditions is my favourite all weather wet lube. It's fairly clean and non sticky.
Least favourite for the exact opposite reasons would be Peaty's "minty" link lube. Honestly.Toothpaste would probably pick up less gunk. There's probably none in Yorkshire though.

I'll have you know that I now have a Scottish made jacket and some Fox all weather gloves and I quite enjoy going out for a roll in the rain.

But I have not yet done enough to prove that Smoove is a shit wet weather lube, does it wash out?
I bought some Canadian eco shit that wouldn't cling to the chain at all then Aussie Krush brand wax and it just clumps up and blocks the nozzle, didn't matter how much I shook it it just came out as a useless carrier liquid with lumps too big to get in to the links.

EDIT- I'll buy a bottle just because they use an apostrophe.

 

[Gary]

It's not really quite as simple as dry lubes being shit in the wet. It's more that for proper application and adheresion of a drip bottle applied wax based lube requires a clean dry drivetrain before application in order to work well. That can become a shit ton of work in a wet climate. Chains dipped in hot wax fair better. And no matter what Internet hot chain wax evangelists tell you. It's far from "clean" or without significant time consuming hassles to use.

 

[Gary]

I'll buy a bottle just because they use an apostrophe.

Aye. Them certainly do.

 

[slimshady]

I'm using a gel-based lube from a local brand. For me it's coming back from a ride, wash the bike, clean the transmission, apply the gel lube, and let it dry for 6-8 hours. So far it has kept rust and gunk away from the chain and cassette, even in rainy days or pure crud rides. Having to apply a tiny drip of gel on each roller is really depressing, but it's well worth the effort.

 

[mykel]

Still on Chain-L a dozen years later.
No intention of looking for anything else.

I mean come on! Look at this seriously bespoke packaging.
12 bucks a 4 oz bottle?
Does what it says on the tin. (in my riding conditions, I make no claims about yours)
What else do you want?

 

[Jm_]

Put some motor-oil in a bottle.

Charge a lot of money for it.

 

[mykel]

Put some motor-oil in a bottle.

Charge a lot of money for it.

Maybe.

Not like any other motor oil I have every felt. The closest I could describe, would be those old Lucas oil additive machines at car parts counters, where you turn the handle and watch the stringy oil additive do its melted mozzarella impression.

And it is not like the bike industry is above re branding off the shelf oil / greases / fluids / whatever as the latest greatest specially developed just for you, but wait there is still more, buy now at our extremely inflated prices and and we will throw in behind the scenes laughing at your gullibility.

Welcome to bikes... Are you new here?

 

[Gary]

12 bucks a 4 oz bottle?

MOAR xpN$iv per ml than the Fenwick's all conditions

 

[canadmos]

I used mucoff's c3 stuff for a few years and it seems to do well.

But with the dry then rain then dry then rain, maybe it's not the best.

I switched back to the whistler wet lube stuff I have and it's worked good enough. Ends up kind of messy, but whatever.

With the xx1 one chain I have now, anything on it just wipes right off. No rust after a few super soaking wet rides.

 

[Lelandjt]

20+ years after I started using chain wax.
10+ years after the Friction Facts test.
I'm amazed anyone still oils their chain.
I'm more amazed every chain comes with sticky oil on it.
The industry is coming around but this is taking WAY longer than I expected.

 

[canadmos]

20+ years after I started using chain wax.
10+ years after the Friction Facts test.
I'm amazed anyone still oils their chain.
I'm more amazed every chain comes with sticky oil on it.
The industry is coming around but this is taking WAY longer than I expected.

You admittedly only ride in optimum conditions, so of course you don't see why some of us have to continously lube the chain.

The thick oil stuff that comes on a chain is so that we don't have to deal with opening a rusty chain out of the box. Yeah it's a little annoying having to wipe it off, but that's what we get when you ship metal crap around the world. Even brake rotors for cars come with a spray on them to stop rust.

 

[SylentK]

20+ years after I started using chain wax.
10+ years after the Friction Facts test.
I'm amazed anyone still oils their chain.
I'm more amazed every chain comes with sticky oil on it.
The industry is coming around but this is taking WAY longer than I expected.

Yeah, I got an enduro/former dh racer buddy that does the wax. It takes a bit of commitment. Like changing your car to synthetic oil. But the dude is on the spectrum.

Me? I'm happy with some plain old WD40. Just kidding. No way jose.

I'm fine with anything teflon. We are dry up here. So dry lubes. Just don't cook with it

 

[jrewing]

Put some motor-oil in a bottle.

Charge a lot of money for it.

Cmon bro! Its gear oil for transmissions.

 

[jrewing]

Motorcross is no lube. Just attracts grit and grinds away the chain/sprockets. Xrings and a steel sprocket, with a little WD after a wash. On a 450 lasts ages.

 

[jonKranked]

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"I've been on the Internet"

 

[Lelandjt]

You admittedly only ride in optimum conditions, so of course you don't see why some of us have to continously lube the chain.

The thick oil stuff that comes on a chain is so that we don't have to deal with opening a rusty chain out of the box. Yeah it's a little annoying having to wipe it off, but that's what we get when you ship metal crap around the world. Even brake rotors for cars come with a spray on them to stop rust.

Both of those situations are handled well by hot waxing.

 

[Lelandjt]

Motorcross is no lube. Just attracts grit and grinds away the chain/sprockets. Xrings and a steel sprocket, with a little WD after a wash. On a 450 lasts ages.

I use White Lightning on my o-ring moto chains. Less sticky than spray moto chain wax and prevents rust better than using nothing. I'd worry that WD40 would penetrate the o-rings and degrade the grease inside.

 

[HardtailHack]

Hardtail rider wins the women's olympic race, fuck yeah!

 

[konifere]

Regarding waxing chains, after using Progold for 10-15 years, I wanted to try something new. Didn't like WPL's lubes and my cycletouring friend recommended Squirt. After trying it, I was sold on waxing, even having neved used the crockpot+parrafin method (yet, but I just bought a cheap crockpot).

Riding in Eastern Canada, we get all conditions, and the nice thing about waxing is that nothing sticks to the chain. I don't do it to save watts or anything, but if it does, then that's a plus, but the fact that the chain is always clean is awesome.

I just run my mechanical chain cleaner without any cleaner in it on the chain when the bike/chain is dry, just to remove the dust/dirt, and reapply Squirt if needed. The next day it's all dry and ready to ride for many rides. I can go 6-8 wet rides without reapplying.

Now I'll see if the crockpot+paraffin method is even better. The only thing I didn't like about that is cleaning the new chain with brake cleaner of other harsh stuff (I wear a 3M chemical gases respirator while doing it, outside), but I've bought the Silca natural enzyme cleaner to try. Since it's time consuming, I just do 3-4 chains at once and I'm good for a little while afterwards.

So I'd say the chain waxing trend is something that's right in the industry. You can do it for cheap with a 4$ parrafin block, cheap cleaners, or go all fancy, but it's just much less maintenance between rides.

 

[two-one]

Around here, everything consists of fine sand, so I have been using squirt lube for about 10 years, and don't see a reason to go back. The chain simply doesnt catch any dirt, and doesn't turn into a rusty brown rope so I hardly ever have to clean it, I just keep adding a small amount after every other ride. Most of my friends have switched to Squirt too.

A roadie friend of mine told me "I don't like that squirt stuff, because after riding for 150km in the rain, it tends to wear off"..... yeah, I don't think the lube is the problem here.

 

[sethimus]

i‘m on our house brand:

works like a wet lube with the consistency of a dry lube, inhouse developed formula

 

[canadmos]

Regarding waxing chains, after using Progold for 10-15 years, I wanted to try something new. Didn't like WPL's lubes and my cycletouring friend recommended Squirt. After trying it, I was sold on waxing, even having neved used the crockpot+parrafin method (yet, but I just bought a cheap crockpot).

Riding in Eastern Canada, we get all conditions, and the nice thing about waxing is that nothing sticks to the chain. I don't do it to save watts or anything, but if it does, then that's a plus, but the fact that the chain is always clean is awesome.

I just run my mechanical chain cleaner without any cleaner in it on the chain when the bike/chain is dry, just to remove the dust/dirt, and reapply Squirt if needed. The next day it's all dry and ready to ride for many rides. I can go 6-8 wet rides without reapplying.

Now I'll see if the crockpot+paraffin method is even better. The only thing I didn't like about that is cleaning the new chain with brake cleaner of other harsh stuff (I wear a 3M chemical gases respirator while doing it, outside), but I've bought the Silca natural enzyme cleaner to try. Since it's time consuming, I just do 3-4 chains at once and I'm good for a little while afterwards.

So I'd say the chain waxing trend is something that's right in the industry. You can do it for cheap with a 4$ parrafin block, cheap cleaners, or go all fancy, but it's just much less maintenance between rides.

Coincidentally, MEC has Squirt now. Maybe I'll grab some. Always up for some lube testing.

 

[Gary]

roadie friend of mine told me "I don't like that squirt stuff, because after riding for 150km in the rain, it tends to wear off"..... yeah, I don't think the lube is the problem here.

if he's doing group rides. That'd be less riding time than a standard uk Enduro. Which funnily enough can also mean riding in the rain.
I'd say the lube IS the problem.
Much like tyres. Choosing an appropriate chain lube is always going to be specific to soil type, ride lengths and climate/weather