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Turbo Monkey
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The Forecaster provides lots of grip when weighted and run on soil like grounds, which is what it is here on most trails.
Is that the latest Forecaster? I didn't liked the old one, the grip was kind of insecure probably because of the tall and slim knobs loosing traction when pushed... the new one seems beefier but I haven't tried it
 

Flo33

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Is that the latest Forecaster? I didn't liked the old one, the grip was kind of insecure probably because of the tall and slim knobs loosing traction when pushed... the new one seems beefier but I haven't tried it
New one. I think it's a decent tire for the purpose, like Lelandjt said.
 

rideit

Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
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I have never run a Dissector as a front, it just ‘looks’ like a rear to me. However, I have a few 29”s sitting around since I went to mullet, what are y’all’s impressions as a front?
I imagine not as grippy as an Assegai or DHF, but probably not as draggy?
 

Lelandjt

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I imagine not as grippy as an Assegai or DHF, but probably not as draggy?
Exactly. Enough grip to feel sufficient on the front of anything you'd call a Trail bike. Depending on your soil it might be enough for an All-Mountain bike if fast rolling is a priority. I wouldn't do it on an Enduro or DH bike.
 
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Leafy

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Exactly. Enough grip to feel sufficient on anything you'd call a Trail bike. Depending on your soil it might be enough for an All-Mountain bike if fast rolling is a priority. I wouldn't do it on an Enduro or DH bike.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to be enough more fast rolling than the dhr to be noticeable, they’re not particularly light, and leave a lot to be desired for braking traction.
 

jonKranked

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I have never run a Dissector as a front, it just ‘looks’ like a rear to me. However, I have a few 29”s sitting around since I went to mullet, what are y’all’s impressions as a front?
I imagine not as grippy as an Assegai or DHF, but probably not as draggy?
If you decide you don't want them I would consider taking them off your hands.
 

toodles

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I have never run a Dissector as a front, it just ‘looks’ like a rear to me. However, I have a few 29”s sitting around since I went to mullet, what are y’all’s impressions as a front?
I imagine not as grippy as an Assegai or DHF, but probably not as draggy?
Dissector up front is passable on a light trail bike but I wouldn't recommend them for anything serious. Waaaaay too sketchy. Buddy here tried running dual Dissectors and gave up pretty quick.
 

Flo33

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Dissector up front is passable on a light trail bike but I wouldn't recommend them for anything serious. Waaaaay too sketchy. Buddy here tried running dual Dissectors and gave up pretty quick.
And then try to run them on just a slight bit of moisture :fie:
 

Lelandjt

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It's funny how the Dissector and Assegai were both supposedly designed "by" WC racers as their signature tire for use on both ends and I believe both those riders used the tires on both ends, but everyone else sees the Assegai as a front tire, and the Dissector either as a rear or a non-race tire. Can any race fan tell use Brosnan's highest WC finish running dual Dissectors?
 

Jm_

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It's funny how the Dissector and Assegai were both supposedly designed "by" WC racers as their signature tire for use on both ends and I believe both those riders used the tires on both ends, but everyone else sees the Assegai as a front tire, and the Dissector either as a rear or a non-race tire. Can any race fan tell use Brosnan's highest WC finish running dual Dissectors?
Is it the Alps? Or is Colorado higher?
 

toodles

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It's funny how the Dissector and Assegai were both supposedly designed "by" WC racers as their signature tire for use on both ends and I believe both those riders used the tires on both ends, but everyone else sees the Assegai as a front tire, and the Dissector either as a rear or a non-race tire. Can any race fan tell use Brosnan's highest WC finish running dual Dissectors?
To be fair there's some tracks a dual option for both those tyres would work great - most of us aren't Brosnan tho, nor are we riding WC tracks with wide fast turns
 

William42

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Jul 31, 2007
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I recently went back to the old fashioned minion DHF's F/R and my god they're fun. DHR II's and Assagais were good solid tires, but there's nothing quite like the feel of cornering on a minion and feeling the tires do that slightly sloppy give while they're sitting in that middle tread (lack of?) area before the sideknobs catch like you're riding a roller coaster and rip the bike around like you're invincible.

They feel pretty punishing for sloppy braking technique though, the feeling of being locked in disappears real fast if you grab your brakes while leaned over, which probably explains the popularity of some of the tires like the assagai that give some more leeway.

I'm not sure what's the fastest, but I sure as hell know what I"m having the most fun with. 10/10 would recommend going back if you haven't or weren't considering it.
 
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toodles

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I recently went back to the old fashioned minion DHF's F/R and my god they're fun. DHR's and Assagais were good solid tires, but there's nothing quite like the feel of cornering on a minion and feeling the tires do that slightly sloppy give while they're sitting in that middle tread (lack of?) area before the sideknobs catch like you're riding a roller coaster and rip the bike around like you're invincible.

They feel pretty punishing for sloppy braking technique though, the feeling of being locked in disappears real fast if you grab your brakes while leaned over, which probably explains the popularity of some of the tires like the assagai that give some more leeway.

I'm not sure what's the fastest, but I sure as hell know what I"m having the most fun with. 10/10 would recommend going back if you haven't or weren't considering it.
Do you mean an OG DHR or the DHR2? I can't believe you even found the OG one anywhere - if so that things were hot garbage.

If you mean the DHR2 and an OG DHF, I wouldn't be half surprised if you were understeering - the new DHR gives the DHF a run for its money on the side knobs hey.
 

William42

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Sorry that wasn't clear. I never ran a DHRI because why bother when the DHF and Highroller existed? I'd genuinely forgotten it existed.

Was comparing to the DHRII. Minion DHF>Minion DHR II for grip strength in hard corners once it locks in you can pretty do whatever you want. DHRII definitely brakes better though, both in corners and just faster/shorter stopping distance.
 

toodles

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Sorry that wasn't clear. I never ran a DHRI because why bother when the DHF and Highroller existed? I'd genuinely forgotten it existed.

Was comparing to the DHRII. Minion DHF>Minion DHR II for grip strength in hard corners once it locks in you can pretty do whatever you want. DHRII definitely brakes better though, both in corners and just faster/shorter stopping distance.
Lol the DHR 1 was some kind of practical joke I swear. Maxxis had a couple of dubious tyres releases back in the day.

Did anyone ever run a Mobster?
 

William42

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That was my first DH tire! I'd only ever ridden shitty XC tires and XC bikes, and my first (used) DH bike came with an absolutely fuckhammered mobster, and I was blown away by how good it was compared to my XC tires!

I later learned it was not the pinnacle of bike tires, and things could get even better.

I have fond memories of it, but not fond enough to miss riding one even a little bit.
 

toodles

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I swear the Mobster was like one step past when tyre design was about cool looking tread patterns (Hutchinson Coyote, Onza Porcupine). I think Marzocchi even did a tyre once that was just Marzocchi Ms as a centre knob with no regard to actual bite, braking or turning.
 

slimshady

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Sorry that wasn't clear. I never ran a DHRI because why bother when the DHF and Highroller existed? I'd genuinely forgotten it existed.

Was comparing to the DHRII. Minion DHF>Minion DHR II for grip strength in hard corners once it locks in you can pretty do whatever you want. DHRII definitely brakes better though, both in corners and just faster/shorter stopping distance.
I'm with you on this. The DHF has shaped my taste for tires for life, and I can't stand the feel of those tires with transitional knobs. Schwalbes also have those wrongly oriented side knobs, and between that and the knob vomit patterns I tend to avoid them.

Back then I was even cutting transitional knobs off some other tires, such as Ardents or some IRC I can't even remember what name had.
 

HardtailHack

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Jan 20, 2009
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Kona are keeping the 27.5" Process 134 and 153 for 2025, yeah it's six years old but single pivot aluminum frames with decent stiffness/geo haven't really got any advancement to do.
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Trunnion sucks though.
 

William42

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What makes you dislike it? I haven't really been bothered by mine but I recognize it's probably fairly frame alignment specific. Have you been blowing up bushings or needing frequent rebuilds?

Definitely was frustrating to have the bike companies push it as a big "this is going to solve everything and make frame design so much easier, better, and less expensive" and then not bother to align their fucking frames while costs went through the roof lol.
 

Leafy

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Sep 13, 2019
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At least this frame design is easy for them at align well or you to adjust with the shock bushings if it isn’t. And it’s probably not going manage to get too much misalignment from flex either. As far as trunnion frame designs it’s not bad.
 

HardtailHack

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What makes you dislike it? I haven't really been bothered by mine but I recognize it's probably fairly frame alignment specific. Have you been blowing up bushings or needing frequent rebuilds?

Definitely was frustrating to have the bike companies push it as a big "this is going to solve everything and make frame design so much easier, better, and less expensive" and then not bother to align their fucking frames while costs went through the roof lol.
I don't trust the bike industry to be able to align anything properly and if things flex the shock becomes more of a stressed member than if it were a traditional eyelet shock.
Plus if the bolts come loose things you coulf be up for a new shock rather than just bending a bolt.

Super low standover isn't something I really care about, I'm not a Corgi, run a normal shock dammit!
 

HardtailHack

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I don't know if this is fairly normal.....because not hardtail.
But- Non trunnion, has a flip chip and a different leverage for coil and air shocks.
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EDIT- Boooo, stupid cable routing.
 
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HardtailHack

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but it's a cube, you don't want a cube
I do, but they don't want me, they dictate that the rider cannot be over 100kg.
I think if I buy anything but a Nicolai I'm going to end up disappointed, but I'm not going to have Nicolai money for a while, haha!
 

SylentK

Turbo Monkey
Feb 25, 2004
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I recently went back to the old fashioned minion DHF's F/R and my god they're fun. DHR II's and Assagais were good solid tires, but there's nothing quite like the feel of cornering on a minion and feeling the tires do that slightly sloppy give while they're sitting in that middle tread (lack of?) area before the sideknobs catch like you're riding a roller coaster and rip the bike around like you're invincible.

They feel pretty punishing for sloppy braking technique though, the feeling of being locked in disappears real fast if you grab your brakes while leaned over, which probably explains the popularity of some of the tires like the assagai that give some more leeway.

I'm not sure what's the fastest, but I sure as hell know what I"m having the most fun with. 10/10 would recommend going back if you haven't or weren't considering it.
Yeah man, you nailed it. Minions are so good.

You like traction? You like drift? You like to throw it down on flat corners? Minions got you covered. You just need to practice.

Lean it way over to get those side knobs. Or not. It takes a little play to see. But once it's seen. Unleash the beast.

Late brake in corners? Yes. Early brake and drift? Yes. Modulate through the rough? Yes. It really does everything.

Got a little mud, no worries, it'll thro sandy mud. Clay mud? Nah. That's DHR2 territory. Or Shorty's, depending.

IMHO

And there are plenty brands out there doing a Minion tire tread design-ish. I've got some Bontrager's that came on the eeb. They're decent and paid for. But guess what I'm going to replace them with when they run out? Even Specialized has copied that design. Not sure about Conti or Mich. But goes to show, it's a very useful tread pattern.
 

djjohnr

Turbo Monkey
Apr 21, 2002
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Dissector up front is passable on a light trail bike but I wouldn't recommend them for anything serious. Waaaaay too sketchy. Buddy here tried running dual Dissectors and gave up pretty quick.
Yeah, DHF/Dissector f/r is the best fast rolling setup I've found that can still deal with steep/loose conditions well.
 

djjohnr

Turbo Monkey
Apr 21, 2002
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It's funny how the Dissector and Assegai were both supposedly designed "by" WC racers as their signature tire for use on both ends and I believe both those riders used the tires on both ends, but everyone else sees the Assegai as a front tire, and the Dissector either as a rear or a non-race tire. Can any race fan tell use Brosnan's highest WC finish running dual Dissectors?
Whenever I've seen pics of Brosnan's bike he's pretty much always on Minions.
 

HardtailHack

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If manitou designed a bike, itd be perfect in 8 ways out of 10 and then go into bizarre left field for the remaining two.
That sounds like German logic.
French Manitou, they'd do 8 things out of 10 pretty well then do the last 2 things in the laziest way possible.
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If we are talking Manitou suspension I have taken offence, the Mezzer is amazing.
 

Jm_

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Jan 14, 2002
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That sounds like German logic.
French Manitou, they'd do 8 things out of 10 pretty well then do the last 2 things in the laziest way possible.
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If we are talking Manitou suspension I have taken offence, the Mezzer is amazing.
The air spring w/o equalization port is asinine, also the special cut-out tool you need for the shaft seal heads. You cant just overfill the spring a bit and then bleed it on the trail till it feels right by pushing the top valve like all other air spring forks. Lastly, all the creaky crowns are alarming.

They DID just recently fix the equalization issue with their latest revamp of their rear shocks.
 

HardtailHack

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The air spring w/o equalization port is asinine, also the special cut-out tool you need for the shaft seal heads. You cant just overfill the spring a bit and then bleed it on the trail till it feels right by pushing the top valve like all other air spring forks. Lastly, all the creaky crowns are alarming.

They DID just recently fix the equalization issue with their latest revamp of their rear shocks.
Meh, horses for courses, I like not having a balance port and not having to buy a new part when I change travel. Being able to mess with the neg and pos spring volumes as you inflate the fork is fun, IRT is better than opening a fork up to swap tokens and I have had no CSU noise.
Only thing I don't like is the Hexlock axle, oh and the weak mudguard. Mine went for three years before the air spring seal failed.

The Mara I have with the King Can is no good on my bike, and the neg spring design is pretty dumb, but so is a balance port.
Proper dual air is the only way!
 

Jm_

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Proper dual air is the only way!
Yeah, like DSD runt where the valves are both on top. With big temp changes, the mezzer sucks down because there is no equalization port, which requires hooking up a pump to the bottom and pulling it apart, which is way more of a hassle than any right side up fork for hooking up on the bottom, let alone the suck down issue.

Yeah, I get it, they have decent damping, but then they just do this bizarre stuff that basically guarantees they wont get any more mainstream. Manitouisms is what I call em. Back in the day they refused to use metal top caps for their preload like marz was and of course those plastic top caps would jam together after a few hard impacts.

IMO, they always get so close to actually good stuff, and then just go to la la land for a few important bits.