I heard that as well, switching to Pina at the end of 2025. I also heard a rumor from the Euro road world that guy is trying to buy the half of Scott currently owned by the Taiwanese. That would be awesome.
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Only nice, not in biggy smalls and valves aren't aligned. No super nice for you.
I can't remember what you ride but assume it is assembled from used Temu parts purchased on marketplace.
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I got chinese rims, dropper lever, and my frame.... I think I'm running your old bars, right? For my busted ass wrist? Do I owe you money for those?
You owe me a beer if we ever cross paths.
I got chinese rims, dropper lever, and my frame.... I think I'm running your old bars, right? For my busted ass wrist? Do I owe you money for those?
A nice hoppy IPA.
How is that ICAN frame holding up? Crack that thing in two yet?
I got chinese rims, dropper lever, and my frame.... I think I'm running your old bars, right? For my busted ass wrist? Do I owe you money for those?
not sure if @Sandwich even rides mtb anymoar...just a road and basement warrior now, no?
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actually it fits the bill pretty nicely for what I need. sometimes I think about a little more travel, but I’m not sure what’s sketchier, used American carbon that came from china, or new Chinese carbon.
dammit I knew I should have paid retail
It’s dead. You’re dead, I’m dead, trails are dead, god is dead.
actually it fits the bill pretty nicely for what I need. sometimes I think about a little more travel, but I’m not sure what’s sketchier, used American carbon that came from china, or new Chinese carbon.
You should try their vibrocore bars, too. I dig 'em. Got them on all the bikes. Except the beach cruiser HA
Looks like SteveM is finally showing the world how the Vorsprung Telum works, and how people can use the adjusters. Some really nice innovations without the marketingBS (for as far I can see).
Part1, Part2, Part3, Part4
I hope he has protected his IP well, so the rest of the industry can't steal his ideas without giving him his worth.
Part1, Part2, Part3, Part4
I hope he has protected his IP well, so the rest of the industry can't steal his ideas without giving him his worth.
Pretty much just VVC. Change the effective diameter of the clamp shim.
Shimz instead of a leaf spring, despite a shim being just a type of leaf spring.
Its pretty clear from all the dyno plots on the web that no VVC has been capable of making any 'real' amount of highspeed damping. But you are right, lets see how reviewers will write about it.
Same concept with different objectives. VVC is a low cost architecture to give your average joe some dials to turn with little effect so they can't screw up their suspension. Hopefully Vorosprung tried to make something with adjustable damping rates.
Stan's Flow rims are what's right with the industry.
Went from a flow something to a Crank Brothers rim using light weight triple butted spokes to make the wheel compliant but it's still horrible compared to a Stan's.
Yeah the Stan's rims aren't rock garden plow capable but they are awesome on a hardtail.
No I won't try Spank rims, I hate their products, it's poorly finished junk with stupid graphics.
Went from a flow something to a Crank Brothers rim using light weight triple butted spokes to make the wheel compliant but it's still horrible compared to a Stan's.
Yeah the Stan's rims aren't rock garden plow capable but they are awesome on a hardtail.
No I won't try Spank rims, I hate their products, it's poorly finished junk with stupid graphics.
Yeah when a fairly small impact (40cm drop off at 20kmh onto an unseen 6cm wide stump) annihilated my stock Raceface thru a DH casing and Cushcore pro, Stans Flow was instantly purchased (although that was also because my fave rim the Roam industries was out of my budget range at the time). They have proven themselves over and over with my customers at the bikeshop..... if you have a big budget, sure there are better.... but if the sky isn't the limit?
They are hard to beat!
That said, never be tempted to buy the Stans "Barron"..... utter crap!
They are hard to beat!
That said, never be tempted to buy the Stans "Barron"..... utter crap!
Is this what's right with the industry?
Yeah, if you're mountain biking I'd advise you to not hit rocks with them. But they're awesome gravel rims!
I'm a washed up never was, I'm hitting less rocks than ever.
Moving from the Flow to the Synthesis I am slower in the corners because the rear loses traction more easily and the ride is noticeably rougher making it harder to keep the feet on the pedals. I'll switch from EXO + to a Pirelli Enduro or DH casing to see if that makes it more tolerable, I do have a Tannus pool noodle in there already.
On the Down Cunty bike I have XM481s because I wasn't worried much about compliance as it has rear suspension.
If funds permit when WAO has a sale I might get one of them.
Stan's Flow are my go-to alu rims as well. I had the original Flow, the EX3, the MK3 andMK4.
Out of these, only the MK3 were disappointing. The rest are/were all amazing rims.
For carbon rims, I have a few We Are One Convergence Triad. Strongly recommended for a full-susp.
Out of these, only the MK3 were disappointing. The rest are/were all amazing rims.
For carbon rims, I have a few We Are One Convergence Triad. Strongly recommended for a full-susp.
did they improve the design or something? i seem to recall the early version(s) were made of cheese
I had stans flow, I wanna say mk2 on my downhill bike for some reason- they held up great. Even set them up tubeless without issue. I think they're US made, too.
Yeah the OG ones were a joke. I've not tried them since but sounds like they're worth a look now.
My first Stans wheelset I nuked the rear wheel in a couple months, rebuilt it to a better rim - then nuked the freehub three or four times and gave up.
Trek needs to bring back their Bontrager King Earl rims.
Nobody wanted them because the rims were softer than the tire/tube, which would normally be a pretty valid reason to hate something, BUT for this key detail:
They weighed 430g and since nobody would buy them, Trek ended up selling them for $6 a piece, so I bought all of them and had my favorite wheelset I've ever owned that weighed virtually nothing and was impossible to pinch flat. Sure, I averaged about 2 rims per month until I ran out of rims, but by god it was one of the highlights of my bike riding experience.
Nobody wanted them because the rims were softer than the tire/tube, which would normally be a pretty valid reason to hate something, BUT for this key detail:
They weighed 430g and since nobody would buy them, Trek ended up selling them for $6 a piece, so I bought all of them and had my favorite wheelset I've ever owned that weighed virtually nothing and was impossible to pinch flat. Sure, I averaged about 2 rims per month until I ran out of rims, but by god it was one of the highlights of my bike riding experience.
assuming no spokes are toasted a like for like rim swap isn't as much work since you're not lacing the hub, but that's still an awful lotta wheel work.
and how much does he value his free time?
I had the rim swap down to an average of 18 minutes and I was a brokeass college student, was a pretty worthwhile time expenditure. Would build em up in my garage while drinking with my buddies, can't think of a way I'd rather spend my time. Shit, I'd *pay* good money to get to go back in time and experience that now. Donno, a wheel build really doesn't take that long especially when just swapping a rim. And even more so when you know the rim is made of cheese and you don't need it to be perfectly tensioned, just generally straight and round with enough tension it isn't flexy.
By the time I spotted the deal, they were down to 8 left, and I used all of them over the course of one summer.how many is "all"
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Did you tape the rims together and swap the spokes over that way or just rip them all out?
18mins is impressive, I spent probably 30 mins swearing at a nipple washer that wouldn't come out of the rim on my last build.
Turned out I dropped two in there and they stuck together and wouldn't fit through the holes.
When I first started doing them I'd tape, and then I realized that taping just took extra time and I didn't really need to because I knew exactly where the spokes needed to go. Turns out if you build the exact same rim over and over you get pretty efficient at it.
100% the biggest time suck was the times that I'd accidentally drop a nipple inside of the rim and have to spend extra time shaking those fuckers out.
I also didn't bother with nipple washers or spoke prep or any of that, because the rim was going to be dented to fuck way before cracks would appear at the eyelets from rawdogging nipple directly onto the rim or spokes would lose tension.
Most of yall are thinking "18 minutes is fast!" because you're comparing that to the time it takes to build a wheel you actually want to last correctly and carefully. But when you know it's going to last, at best, maybe 3 weeks of hard riding (and for a few of them, only a single weekend), you can start to cut all sorts of time consuming corners.
some of the haggard fixes I used to do were a direct result of also being a broke ass college student. and then a broke ass recent college grad.